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Zorque, in ‘I’m not buying new stuff any more’: the young people getting into ‘degrowth’

"the young people"

So they've stopped calling everyone under the age of 45 millennials?

Agrivar,

Ooof, that stings. I’ve been thrifty and anti-consumer for years, but I’m also 50. I hate admitting I’m no longer one of “the young people.”

Hegar, in ‘I’m not buying new stuff any more’: the young people getting into ‘degrowth’
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What's are some of yall's less obvious "always buy second hand" items?

Crockery, cutlery, pressure cookers and computer peripherals are some things I think it makes no sense to buy new. 2nd hand they're usually under a tenth the price and often better quality.

I've heard some arguments that buying 2nd hand cars is usually better for the climate owing to how much of a car's lifetime carbon generation is the manufacturing.

CosmicTurtle0,

The better quality is the key here. The shit made today are intentionally made to be replaced.

Pyrex is the best example. The old-school Pyrex logo means it’s made from really tough glass whereas the newer logo means it’s shit and will shatter when going from hot to cold (oven to countertop).

9point6,

I wondered about this and apparently it’s a bit more complicated, funnily enough since 2007 European Pyrex is the older style borosilicate glass again

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrex#Composition

JacobCoffinWrites,
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Tools! With the exception of a few big power tools like a table saw or miter saw, where the new safety features make it worthwhile, I get everything I can used. I prefer stuff passed down from family with sentimental value, but I get a lot of my tools from Everything is Free, junk stores, yard sales, estate clean outs, swap shops etc.

Older tools tend to be simpler, easier to fix, and remarkably sturdy. I’ve read that the metallurgy wasn’t as good sixty+ years ago so they overbuilt them a bit to compensate, and then decades of use weaned out the weaker ones, so anything left still working is basically survivorship-bias guaranteed. I’ve got a drill press that’s been in the family for four generations and will probably outlast my grandkids.

They’re cheaper, sturdier, easier to fix, generally well-documented online (sometimes better than the new stuff), and they don’t come with sheaves of unnecessary styrofoam and plastic packaging. And they have history and stories in them, even if I don’t always know what those stories are.

Tikiporch,

Adding to this, my local library has a library of things which includes a lot of tools. From niche saws to power drills everyone could use.

lemmyng,
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Got to be careful with old cutlery and kitchenwares, and test for lead.

KillingTimeItself,

applied science actually has a really good video about leaded glass. And it’s tendency to cause shenanigans, i don’t remember much from it, so you should just go watch it.

dankm,

If you actually need one (most don"t), I wouldn’t buy a truck sold on the North American market since about 2005.

Agrivar,

Even if you do need a truck, most of the models marketed here are stupidly oversized in all the areas that DON’T matter. As a builder, I don’t need to be lifted into the stratosphere and have a teeny-tiny bed! I want to be able to fit an entire sheet of plywood in the bed and two people in the cab… ideally without having to hoist myself up into the seat!

downpunxx, in ‘I’m not buying new stuff any more’: the young people getting into ‘degrowth’

gonna suck when those underwear, sheets, towels get huge holes in them. gonna make their own soap, shampoo, and deodorant? how bout medications, not buying any of those? subway, L, bus tokens? gasoline? bicycles? shoes? smartphones? lol. this should be interesting to watch.

Cruxifux,

Man it just gets dumber the more times I read what you said. I hope you’re at least self aware enough that you don’t consider yourself an intellectual on any level.

grrgyle,

Maybe I’d feel differently if I’d read their comment (they deleted it), but that seems a touch harsh. By their comments they don’t seem like a bad person. Maybe it’s just because we’re from the same instance, and I’m not especially smart

quaddo,

It’s not deleted from where I am.

Regurgitating for your enjoyment:

gonna suck when those underwear, sheets, towels get huge holes in them. gonna make their own soap, shampoo, and deodorant? how bout medications, not buying any of those? subway, L, bus tokens? gasoline? bicycles? shoes? smartphones? lol. this should be interesting to watch.

grrgyle,

Thanks. That’s short-sighted and gross. This very much goes against the solarpunk aesthetic

Cruxifux,

Why? Most people are not intellectuals. Lord knows I’m not. But way too many people consider themselves above the curve for intelligence and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with pointing that out.

lefaucet, in The Oil Crash Is Coming Sooner Than We Think

Not soon enough.

Omega_Haxors, in The growing popularity of degrowth

You claim to be for degrowth and yet your movement is growing. Curious. I am very intelligent.

iraq_lobster, in We Don't Need Economic Growth

prioritize better lifestyle for the masses, not record quarterly earnings. to hell with the economy.

Jordans_Vision,

I’d say we should prioritize microeconomies. Support your local farmer, and your mom and pop shops. Setup a community garden. Take part in your local governance. It’ll all starts with us. It’s easier said than done, I’m sure. I myself need to apply all of this.

iraq_lobster, in Population Decline Will Change the World for the Better

How about wealth decline for the rich and redistribution among the bottom 80% ? on an individual scale, working way less and having no offspring should be the way to go. raise pets not babies!

d00ery, in Population Decline Will Change the World for the Better

But if you listen to economists (and Elon Musk), you might believe falling birthrates mean the sky is falling…We can maintain the economic status quo and continue to pursue infinite growth on a finite planet.

If the only way capitalism works is by continued growth, then it’s a broken system, the world is limited in its resources. (Unless we go to Mars and start the cycle again, slowly trashing the galaxy)

themeatbridge, in We Don't Need Economic Growth

It shrinks?

andymouse, in UBS: More Billionaires inherited their wealth then gained it by entrepreneurship

Power is like a black hole. This isn’t about wealth, it’s about power. It’s only concern is growing itself.

This is what I learned from the Lord of the Rings.

Jordans_Vision,

This brought a smile to my face. :D

TubeTalkerX, in UBS: More Billionaires inherited their wealth then gained it by entrepreneurship

Fuckers start on 3rd base then think it’s easy to score a home run!

HubertManne,

yeah before reagan we had a system where the more money you made the harder to was to make that much more. So large companies had to run better than small ones to succeed. that time is long gone.

ARk, in UBS: More Billionaires inherited their wealth then gained it by entrepreneurship

*than

LEDZeppelin, in UBS: More Billionaires inherited their wealth then gained it by entrepreneurship

So glad repubes got rid of inheritance tax

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