Original Fallout lead Tim Cain loves the new show, but remains baffled by how 'destructive' fans can act toward 'people who are trying to create things'

Cain appreciated the performances and storytelling, but singled out how the show nailed the Fallout “vibe” as its biggest achievement. “I was just looking at all the props,” he said of one scene. “I realized after a few minutes went by that I had not followed the dialogue at all, because I was so engrossed by it visually.”

On a more sour note, Cain took time to address the way fans of the series can behave poorly online, particularly regarding any perceived rivalry between Fallout entries developed by Bethesda (3, 4, and 76), and those from Interplay, Black Isle, and Obsidian (1, 2, and New Vegas). Cain spoke positively of Todd Howard, and said that “Some of the stuff you [series fans] say online is so off.” See also: the debate about whether the show somehow overrode or ignored the events of those non-Bethesda games, which has since been denied by a senior developer at the studio.

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

I only watched the first episode and skimmed through most of it as it was kinda boring.

Does it get better?

L3mmyW1nks,

What kind of shows are you able to watch when you already need to skim the first episode setting the mood/vibe of the show? TikTok?

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Shows that are captivating and offer a glimpse of the long term mystery?

Now the first episode of the Expanse had the same flow; introduce the different character groups, world build, and set events into motion.

It ended with multiple different character arcs in motion - an investigation, political drama, lost in space. Fallout had 3 people set off to start their arc maybe next episode? Vault girl leaves, Brotherhood guy leaves, Ghoul leaves.

The Expanse pulled it off fucking fantastically whereas Fallout just felt flat to me.

dog,

Yeah I’m not feeling great about the show. Sure it’s pretty, but it’s so slow.

Maybe that’s a deliberate choice, but as the first episode is, I give it a 7/10.

Not great, not good, but okay.

Juvyn00b,

Agreed. I think for the way they had to cut it up and introduce so many seemingly “key” characters, it really dragged on for me until about mid way. And I still didn’t have a good handle on the world as a whole at that point. Feeling like I’m missing something the whole time makes me not want to continue.

Kelly,

www.ratingraph.com/…/fallout-ratings-116450/

People like the later episodes more

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Can I just say thank you for being the only person to actually answer my question. If that’s the case I might try to power through a few more.

One more question though, it goes from 8.5 to 8.9; is that a big increase?

It sounds like very little but for all I know 99% of shows could be rated from 7-9, where it would be more impactful.

Kelly,

That site visualizes the per-episode reviews from IMDb so its only as good as its dataset.

I find it most useful when choosing between shows, if I know that a series falls of a cliff if the later seasons I might choose something more consistent instead.

My advice would be to search a couple of other series you know and see what their numbers look like. That should give you a benchmark.

Cobrachicken,

I have to admit I was also only looking at the props, because I very much like the visual style. I feel the creators overdid themselves a little, packing (probably too) many references directly in the first episode. Was a little overwhelmed visually and did not follow the story. Will have to rewatch, especially as the start of the episode is not like the games, where you primarily follow one (your) character, and rather not many in parallel.

Annoyed_Crabby,

People want the thing to fail because Amazon and Bethesda, the opinion has been this way since the first teaser. Glad Tim likes it and i can’t wait to watch it as well when i can, there’s nothing but hype with their trailer.

Hope it won’t devolve or drag for seasons though.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Why are people upset about Bethesda? You mean because of the Microsoft acquisition?

halcyoncmdr,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Probably thr fact they’re still releasing things on the same dates engine with the same formulaic stories without any new innovation for decades.

vaultdweller013,

I swear the problem is the Bethesda old guard, its pretty clear they want to make semi-linear or adventure games but are pigeonholing themselves into making making big open world games. Also I suspect they have a too many cooks situation going on, they need to break up their main studio into smaller teams who work on multiple smaller projects at once.

DarkMetatron,

It is not the same engine but a ever evolved one. Saying that it is the same engine would be like saying that UE5 is the same engine as UE1

leftzero,

UE has evolved and changed over time to use new hardware features and adapt to new player needs.

Gamebryo is still the exact same engine that ran Morrowind, just running worse games on faster hardware with more memory. It even still has some of the same bugs, which community patch mods have had to fix for every single game (except Starfield, because that’s become such a clusterfuck of bugs and poor design that even the most dedicated modders have given up).

Annoyed_Crabby,

Fallout in their hand isn’t up to the standard of hard-core fans, and also due to FO4’s dialog system, and the technical issue with 76.

leftzero, (edited )

Horse armour.

And, well, mostly everything after that.

orphiebaby,

…Bethesda is a terrible developer and producer with a few good games under its belt that make people really dedicated to it— and I don’t super blame those people. It would be like if half of Zelda games were buggy and unfun and amateur and kinda-ugly trash— and so were most of their other first-party was too— but those three or four great Zeldas and two or three good Marios made people huge fans of the company. Or it would be like, you know, CD Projekt Red making one— maybe two— games so great that people decided all their other games must be great by default even when they’re not (which, well, yeah).

bizzle,
@bizzle@lemmy.world avatar

6 seasons and a movie

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Anyone saying the show recons 1, 2 and NV from the lore must not know a damn thing about 1, 2, and NV not to notice all the things referencing events and places from those games.

setsneedtofeed, (edited )
@setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t see many people saying that. I see more people expressing disappointment in the apparently underwhelming and abrupt demise of the NCR, which for all practical purposes resets the west coast to a lawless Fallout 1 type state.

I’m not sure where I stand on that, because I could see the unraveling of the NCR as being interesting if expanded upon, but the point is that it is a reasonable opinion to hold. This Tim Cain video isn’t saying people shouldn’t criticize things or that they are unreasonable for not enjoying things. He’s saying that regardless of the merits of a production, you shouldn’t level personal attacks and moral judgements on creators just because you don’t personally like what they made.

Kolanaki,
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That is a fair point and one I share; though I admit my bias. The NCR was always my favorite of the factions (excluding myself through Yes Man in NV) and it just seemed kinda fucked up with what they did to them. Not so much that they basically deleted them, but that they did it off-screen. I hope that future seasons explore that instead of using it as an excuse to not feature the NCR ever again.

kakes,

As a person on the internet, I hate how people on the internet are so hateful.

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Internet here.

Yo mamma.

That is all.

RIPandTERROR,
@RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works avatar

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/30a766dc-4d8f-445a-b0b6-393b7b3bfba9.gif

AngryishHumanoid,

Yeah people on the Internet are too quick to anger, so I’m told.

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’ll kill you for that remark.

PP_BOY_,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

I think anything associated with Amazon puts a lot of people on the defense right out the gate, myself included. I would’ve loved to see a different studio handling this adaption tbh

darthsid,

Rings of Power and Wheel of Time were crushing in their ability to deliver disappointment.

sxt,

Wheel of time was so close too. If they just didn’t fuck with the script so much

Tar_alcaran,

All they had to do was NOT try to throw a new twist every other episode, and it would have been amazing.

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