random_character_a,
@random_character_a@lemmy.world avatar

…in spacetime with high curvature?

kuberoot,

Doesn’t curvature cause pi to not be a constant? And wouldn’t it be negative curvature that would cause it to be higher than euclidean space?

FiniteBanjo, (edited )

I would be a smartass and leave Pi as a factor throughout and in the answer. I’m used to doing that in Calculus anyways.

V = πr^2^h

V = π⋅10^2^⋅10

V = π⋅100⋅10

V = π1000


BONUS SOLUTION:

V =∫0^10^ A⋅h dh

A = ∫0^10^ 2πr dr

V= ∫0^10^ ∫0^10^ h⋅2πr dr dh

h is a constant for A’s integral so we can safely move it into V’s integral

V= ∫0^10^ h⋅∫0^10^ 2πr dr dh

π is a constant so we can safely remove it from A’s integral

A = π⋅∫0^10^ 2r dr

A = π⋅[r^2^]0^10^

A = π⋅( [10^2^] - [0^2^] )

A = π10^2^

A = π100

V = ∫0^10^ h⋅π100 dh

π100 is a constant so we can safely remove it from V’s integral

V = π100⋅∫0^10^ h dh

V = π100⋅[h]0^10^

V = π100⋅([10] - [0])

V = π100⋅10

V = π1000

It goes a lot deeper but I’m not bored enough for that, yet.

EDIT: Hang on. I’m wrong with that height integral. Can somebody help remind me?

benignintervention,

If you really wanted to be through you’d start at a point, integrate out along dr for a line, then integrate in a circle through dtheta to derive the area before doing the rest

ThatFembyWho,

Damn inflation is everywhere now, even the transcendentals :'(

ColeSloth,

So is their answer just 5,000?

Huschke,

Yes about 2000 too much.

eugene171,

My favorite is when doing Order of Magnitude estimations, you are supposed to let pi = 1

Iron_Lynx,

To be Devil’s Advocate:
Given that the rest written in Comic Sans, it may be an early elementary school exercise, aimed at teaching kids to do multiplications. In this case, it’s tolerable and/or defensible to find a simplification for pi.

That said, making pi equal to 3 would have been more accurate for that…

ColeSloth,

That’s a dumb way of teaching and you are a dumb devils advocate for saying it. Go to H E double hockey sticks.

Papergeist,

Even in engineering it is common to just round pi to 3 and quickly estimate whatever it is your doing.

maniclucky,

Excuse me what? I’ve been an engineer for a decade and have never met anyone that would do that. We have calculators.

assassin_aragorn,

I think they mean napkin math. Like you’re in a meeting and they ask for a general idea if something will work or not

Jimbo,
@Jimbo@yiffit.net avatar

We all have phones with calculators, don’t really need to do napkin math anymore

assassin_aragorn,

Depends on the level of precision you need. If I want the volume in a 500 foot long, 3 inch pipe to roughly estimate how much supply I need to order, I wouldn’t need a calculator. It would very roughly be 90-95 ft3. (Divide 500 by 4 two times and multiple by 3)

Then I would spend 5 minutes double checking myself haha.

maniclucky,

I suppose. I’m still internally outraged and haven’t run into such a situation before, but I accept this.

assassin_aragorn,

To be fair most of the situations where I’ve run into this have never involved pi, and sometimes it’s just qualitative.

maniclucky,

That makes sense. I feel like if you’re at the point where pi is meaningfully involved, you should probably do your math.

assassin_aragorn,

Yeah I agree. It isn’t that hard to set up things in Excel to get a decent answer.

Agent641,

“About yay big.”

ColeSloth,

I feel like a proper engineer would call only going two places past the decimal “rounding pie”.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

In astronomy, pi=1 or 10, depending on whether you’re trying to over or under estimate something. Because when you’re trying to estimate distances measured in millions of light years, the difference between 3 and 10 is just one or two orders of magnitude on a small number. It’s pretty common for astronomers to do napkin math by rounding every single number to the nearest zero. 91k becomes 100k for instance. Because the napkin math estimations are just trying to gauge whether some celestial event or object is a thousand light years away, ten thousand, a hundred thousand, etc… And pi becomes 10, because that’s the nearest round number.

LazerFX,

Fermi Estimation. Where you’re dealing with something so big, you’re just interested in the magnitude.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

I need a new maitre’d for a restaurant I am opening. How busy are you?

ColeSloth,

Not very, but I’ll require lots of pay.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

How does 1 million a minute sound?

ColeSloth,

Ill take it!

I’ll give you the hardest 30 minutes I’ve worked in my life, and then retire.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

So you do know how to act like a decent human. Damn. Well the restaurant closed. I guess you can just be nice for your own esteem now.

ColeSloth,

Nope. I had sold my house to move and told the kids already. Now I’m jaded I just lost out on 30 mill and we’re homeless. I’ll be an ass forever, now.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Well you were before. So the fam should be used to it.

loudWaterEnjoyer,
@loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar
Duamerthrax,

Unless the kid is even slightly above average and finds the idea that pi equaling 5 confusing.

NucleusAdumbens,

…if they’re above average, I think they’ll figure out the explicitly defined variable. I think the instructor is trying to make sure this problem doesn’t require a calculator and figured defining pi as 5 makes it clear that you can treat it as a whole number. 3 would be more accurate and just as easy, but meh idk that this is that great of a blunder.

Duamerthrax,

You can be a smart kid and not realize that adults are lying.

I remember the Peas and the Punnett Square. Sure, mendelian genetics explains pea plant colors, but doesn’t explain dog fur colors. Just providing a footnote that more completed genetics exists would have been nice.

bluewing,

Or it’s from an ME. They seldom can remember the rounded value of Pi, but they’re pretty sure it’s somewhere between 3 and 4. But you probably should use 5 just to be safe…

bi_tux,
@bi_tux@lemmy.world avatar

pi was mutable all along

Agent641,

Pi = phi

Rolando,

This is how the wealthy calculate their tax exemptions.

JasonDJ,

Due to inflation, they now have a bigger pi.

InternetCitizen2,

This guy has think tank fellowship written all over them.

orphiebaby, (edited )

A bigger pi-ness.

bradinutah,

“One! Two! FIVE!” “Three, Sire!” “THREE!”

gimpchrist,
@gimpchrist@lemmy.world avatar

Nobody knows how to think like a dyscalculic at all haha… it’s just a little symbol thingy… it doesn’t have to be pi. Just like X is a little symbol thingy… the x is now just kind of a table right now… it’s just a little symbol thingy and it means five it’s not that difficult. Lmao

Agrivar,

Here’s a little LPT for you: you can be correct without being an obnoxious douchebag about it.

FanBlade,

Your message reads kinda douchey.

petrol_sniff_king,

Yeah, “symbol thingy” is setting me off rn.
The only thing that can help me is filing my taxes incorrectly.

nyctre, (edited )

Yes it does have to be pi because that’s the formula for the volume of a cylinder. If you take a simple, cylindrical glass or container and measure it and apply the formula with pi, you’ll see that you’ll get the correct volume of the container. If you just want your kids to calculate a random x that’s 5* 10 *10 *10 just tell them to do that, don’t give them a made up formula, it’s not that difficult.

gimpchrist,
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  • nyctre,

    Well, let me put it another way. You don’t need to have an opinion on everything. It’s okay to not understand something and not have an opinion on it.

    gimpchrist, (edited )
    @gimpchrist@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m dyscalculic… I’m allowed to have an opinion on it this is how my brain works.

    Also if we can’t say that pi is just a little symbol thingy then I guess we better stop using fucking exclamation marks everywhere

    petrol_sniff_king, (edited )

    Mathematically, no, it does not. We make up the definitions. If you wanted to see what the consequences of a, I don’t know, 5-dimensional universe with Pi set to 5.65 were, you can do that. These are scribbles on pages, there is literally nothing stopping you.

    Academically, what’s stopping you is whether these calculations are useful. The only problem I see here is that it’s kind of misleading to imply to someone that Pi is something it conventionally isn’t. But even then, I think I’d respect the mathematician who could recognize Pi as a symbolic name for, usually, one particular transcendental constant a little bit more than one who refused to even entertain the idea. Like, imagination is important to mathematics, too.

    And to be clear, “let Pi = 3.14” is also incorrect. It is closer than 5, but it is still infinitely wrong.

    [edit] And also, I was imagining this question was for a younger audience. Reading it again, I’m not going to pretend I know what’s going on up there.

    Sam_Bass,

    Nother one of them “uncertified teachers” huh

    ulterno,
    @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

    When you want students to not use calculators but still rate a question for 10 second answer.

    some_guy,

    500? But I just woke up and I take sleeping pills so my brain might not be working.

    fushuan,

    510**210 = 51010*10 = 5000

    some_guy,

    Good thing I don’t need to do math at work. Saw a video the other day where someone said “10x400” and was shocked that they couldn’t instantly multiply by a power of ten. And then I walked into this.

    danc4498,

    This physics class?

    threelonmusketeers,

    Astronomy.

    Got_Bent,

    π = 5 for very small values of r.

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