Ibaudia,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

I had to do some serious convincing to inform my mom about the CIA’s involvement in Contra cocaine trafficking.

Tar_alcaran,

And here I thought the whole Iran Contra thing would be the first one people would know

Ibaudia,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

Right?? It was even in an episode of The Boys.

eldavi,

That’s the best thing about the stuff that the CIA has done: they publicly admit to it in writing and people still refuse to believe it’s true

theneverfox,

The ultimate conspiracy theory… The CIA is manufacturing conspiracy theories so that their actual, admitted, documented conspiracies are dismissed reflexively for sounding insane

undergroundoverground,

Not even their worst or most prolific drug running scam. For anyone interested “operation gladio.” The CIA ran the herion game out of Myanmar, with the mob, from about 1944 onwards. Myanmar used to be the worlds largest producer of herion, until Afghanistan overtook them sometime in the late 00s / early 10s…

Now, I’m not saying China are the good guys or anything here. However, if I wanted to stop a rouge security agency from selling herion to fund secret, illegal wars around the world, I’d flood their neighbours with fentanyl.

cmbabul,

Straight up just listening to Behind the Bastards/It Could Happen Here, the Dollop, or Knowledge Fight will make you sound like a crazy person if you talk about them to someone who has no interest in history or current events

Jimbo,
@Jimbo@yiffit.net avatar

No you don’t understand, they were turning seals into oil!!!

mp3, (edited )
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

Either the CIA is very good at it and no other countries can match them at toppling a regime, or they’re really sloppy and we only know about it because of it, plus other large nations are doing it better than them without raising suspicion.

gibmiser,

Or - they want people to know. Fear is a powerful tool.

HikingVet,

I’d go with all the above from both comments.

chuckleslord,

This… this is the ninja thing again. Was Japan famous for its ninjas because they were the best in the world, or did every other country have ninja and Japan was just so shit at it that we associate them with Japan?

blackbelt352,

Because our perception of ninja is based around kabuki theater and not historical accuracy. Kabuki theater stage hands were always dressed in black to blend into the background. When an ninja assassination would happen in a show, the “stage hand” would do the assassination because the audience knows to kinda ignore the stage hands during the production.

IRL ninja would just look like normal people, waiting for the right opportunity to strike at someone.

blackbelt352,

I see it as they’re like master painters, just because you can see their brush strokes on the canvas, doesn’t mean it wasn’t masterfully done.

The CIA wants people to know what they’ve done but without giving away what they’re doing now and that’s what the CIA is really good at. It’s why things like Trump taking the classified documents with him to Mar a Lago was such a huge deal, because they contained secrets that are still in use today and has led to a number of our own agents getting captured or killed.

conditional_soup,

It’s just high, high volume. You swing at every pitch and you’re statistically bound to eventually hit some home runs. The CIA is always up to some shit.

PrinceWith999Enemies,

This is something that the CIA actively engages in. It’s not quite at the covfefe level of “we meant to get caught,” but they do occasionally put out the word that they like it when they’re perceived as ham-fisted bunglers as it makes it easier to get away with stuff.

Socsa,

The reality is that the CIA can only go so far in actually manufacturing dissent. More often they merely amplify and enable opposition which already exists. That’s why the whole “CIA coup” meme is really a bit of a joke in the modern context. The CIA didn’t ship millions of protestors willing to eat bullets into Kyiv. The whining really does reduce to “how dare you convince people that your system is better and provide material support to people with real grievances?”. As if the CIA has a monopoly on agitprop

I’m sorry, but that’s fair game as far as I’m concerned. If you don’t like it then be less shitty.

coolusername,

Uhh the CIA has been working on promoting Banderaism since the 60s AT LEAST. Also, hardcore neonazis/banderists have died already during the battle for Bahkmut.

Everyone else is being sent to die for either MiC profits or it’s some type of depopulation plan.

coolusername,

They have by far the largest budget. The US, Japan, and SK are our vassels. Their intelligence agencies don’t do shit without us okaying it. There’s a reason that Europe didn’t say shit after we blew up nordstream 2.

Cosmicomical,

This is a direct consequence of Conway’s law. You create an organisation with the mission of deceiving and abusing, don’t be surprised if they produce deception and abuse.

gAlienLifeform,
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

Huh, well this is one of those things I’m going to see everywhere now

Melvin Conway and Hannah Arendt probably could have had a really fascinating with each other comparing ideas in computer and political sciences

ricecake,

Yup, and it makes perfectly intuitive sense once you know about it.
If you’ve ever used a software product with one of those left hand menus with a big list of capabilities from any “big” company, it’s almost assured that each item in that list is it’s own development team that’s only tangentially aware of what the others are doing, and the team in charge of maintaining the menu.

I was on a team for a bit whose goal was to find places where we were shipping our org chart and make our tools play more nicely with each other.
End result: we found some really good areas to make them play better with each other, implemented them, and… They got their own entry in the left hand menu because maintaining a feature fully integrated with four disparate teams with different goals is really hard.
To our credit though, once you turn it on, our thing makes the lines between the products essentially disappear for our end users.

bl_r,

TIL Foucault wasn’t the first person to have that idea, I’ve always heard it referred to as Foucault’s Boomerang

rambling_lunatic,

Unity of ends and means strikes again!

hypnicjerk,

MKULTRA was the result of Allen Dulles’s hypno kink.

Cheradenine,

Well, voyeurism kink too. When they ran brothels in the u.s. and dosed the clients, then filmed them. You know, normal stuff we all do, but usually don’t get paid for.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Midnight_Climax

Tar_alcaran,

That codename is both amazing and absolutely shit

yamapikariya,
@yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com avatar

You are being watched. The government has a secret system, a machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it. I designed the machine to detect acts of terror, but it sees everything. Violent crimes involving ordinary people, people like you. Crimes the government considered irrelevant. They wouldn’t act, so I decided I would. But I needed a partner, someone with the skills to intervene. Hunted by the authorities, we work in secret. You’ll never find us. But victim or perpetrator, if your number’s up, we’ll find you.

Bassman27,

You guys hiring?

bquintb,
@bquintb@midwest.social avatar

You have to be mormon…they hire from BYU

TokenBoomer,

Why is this plausible?

lars,

It’s fact. Submission to authority and being able to keep two versions of the truth in harmony without realizing you’re even doing it is highly marketable to them.

TokenBoomer,

It was rhetorical, but thanks for explaining.

TrickDacy,

You made it sound even creepier than usual

refurbishedrefurbisher,
refurbishedrefurbisher,

Lol dat Person of Interest reference

saddlebag,

Is this a creepypasta?

refurbishedrefurbisher,
TokenBoomer,
adhocfungus,

It was fun to see Michael Emerson in Fallout with a dog that looks just like Bear. He’ll always be some variation of Finch to me.

yamapikariya,
@yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com avatar

Oh my God I didn’t know he was in fallout. I guess I’m definitely watching that now

pleb_maximus,

The government has a secret system, a machine that spies on you every hour of every day.

That hasn’t been a secret for quite a while by now.

yamapikariya,
@yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com avatar

You shouldn’t have said that, you now have a target on your back. They will come after you.

pleb_maximus,

I am not the first to say it or the one to reveal it. And since we didn’t do shit about it I doubt they care about me saying it.

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