OccamsTeapot,

This was the plan all along. Kill people, destroy their homes and infrastructure, then be all like “oh yeah we’d love to let you live there but it really needs a lot of work doing right now. But we’ll have it ready as soon as possible. Have you got somewhere to stay? I heard the Sinai is nice this time of year…”

lurch,

i bet they think if they kill everyone they don’t have to rebuild and there will be no crisis “outliving” the war.

Stovetop,

No, they’ll rebuild. That’s prime beachfront property that Israeli settlers could move into.

AdamEatsAss,

The word settler is just weird to me. Because the land was already settled. Also I think of colonial settlers with muskets and silly clothes.

Stovetop,

I mean, that’s it exactly. It’s just like colonial settlers of old who (shocking, I know) had an unfortunate tendency to take land that already belonged to someone else. Minus the silly clothes.

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

The hats are still pretty silly.

nondescripthandle,

They don’t like being called invaders but it probably fits better.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

All that Israeli propaganda about new luxury seafront property in Gaza…

You’re going to love that beach house that has no electricity or running water or sewage or garbage collection or an accessible road or an easy route to a store or a hospital…

snooggums,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

If they built the beach houses they would run power and water to them. Possibly through that raised road that goes right through the middle of Gaza now.

It would only connect to the homes of occupiers though.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That sounds pretty expensive to do and even more expensive to maintain considering what’s around it. I sure wouldn’t trust that road to remain structurally sound indefinitely with all the water and power running through it.

snooggums,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Most city roads have lots of electrical wiring and pipes runjing under them. I wouldn’t be surprised if they constructed it with that possibility in mind since it is clearly there to separate north and south Gaza and to do so they would need to build some infrastructure along the road’s length.

I am clearly speculating though, but it would make sense based on Israel’s actions so far.

Stovetop,

What they’re describing is a real phenomenon in the West Bank, though. Not that they necessarily run all of their utilities within/alongside a single road, but that Israeli settlers will strategically isolate Palestinian communities by building infrastructure that separates them.

The basic idea is that settlers will pick an attractive hill to build a settlement. They’ll also build a road leading to just that one settlement, and utilities which supply just that one settlement. Palestinians can’t freely cross Israeli territory, they have to cross through specific checkpoints. So they couldn’t cross the road or access any of those utilities without risking violence/death.

On one side of the road you might have a small Palestinian farming community, on the other side a larger town that they sell to. With the road, the farmers can no longer transport livestock/produce to the town to sell, and the Israelis just dammed the stream they used for irrigation, too. So the choice becomes either pack up and leave, or die in poverty. The larger community loses a source of food, and if their situation becomes too precarious as a result, they’ll pack up and leave as well.

Then with those communities gone, oh look, more room for settlements.

FaceDeer,
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And then whenever the Gazans did anything to threaten the luxury homes or utility corridor, oh what a shame, need to push them back further to establish more of a safe buffer zone.

Oh look, that freed up some more room to build luxury homes!

Rinse and repeat.

DoomBot5,

I would love to see western countries send people, not only supplies to help rebuild Gaza. Preferably overseen by the direct body of UN troops rather than the local UNWRA.

Maybe then most supplies will actually make it to the people and homes that need them.

wintermute_oregon,

I’d rather see America rebuild their own country. Have you seen how tore up parts of our country is?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

We could easily afford to rebuild America and Gaza if we didn’t spend so much money on our military.

wintermute_oregon,

Military isn’t a problem. It’s a scape goat for people who don’t understand the size of our economy. By treaty we are obligated to spend 2%. We spend about 3%. That’s how large our economy is. It paid for my education and the job skills of many people I know. It doesn’t mean we can’t be more efficient with the spending but the military provides real benefits to society. Ever hear of the army corp of engineers ? NOAA? PHS?

Military spending is also required by the constitution.

FlyingSquid,
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wintermute_oregon,

3% of gdp.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

GDP is not the amount of money spent on infrastructure or foreign aid. That comes directly from tax dollars and need to be measured that way. The entire economic output of the United States is not relevant when discussing infrastructure rebuilding or foreign aid.

wintermute_oregon,

It’s how we measure funding for programs.

And no they don’t come from tax dollars. They come from borrowing which is a large part of our problem. We over spend every year. Our tax revenue doesn’t even come close to our spending.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry… you think foreign aid and infrastructure doesn’t come from tax dollars? What do you think is in government budgets that have to get passed every year?

wintermute_oregon,

The point being is we borrow for those things. Each year we go further and further in debt. Tax revenue is not exceeding the expenditures and it hasn’t for a very long time.

jonne,

The GDP is only used in the context of NATO. For everything else you use % of the budget.

wintermute_oregon,

It’s how things are measured in general. It’s a common government statistic

snooggums,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

If we taxed the wealthy and businesses properly, like we did back before Reagan, we could easily keep the military and rebuild everything.

kbin_space_program,

It would be far better to tax the rich like we used to.

Unfortunately it seems that the military will be useful as Russia needs to be taught a lesson.

jonne,

You could afford to do both if your government didn’t send billions worth of bombs to various dubious allies.

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