Israeli Politician Quotes Hitler to Argue for Resettlement of Gaza

Former Israeli Knesset member Moshe Feiglin quoted Adolf Hitler as he called for Israel to resettle the Gaza Strip and create a “Hebrew Gaza.”

Feiglin, who quit Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud Party to found the right-wing Zehut Party and plans to challenge Likud in Israel’s next elections, made the comments during a panel discussion on Israel’s Channel 12 that was shared on social media on Sunday, as Middle East Eye reported.

“We are not guests in our country, this is our country, all of it…” Feiglin said, adding, “As Hitler said, ‘I cannot live if one Jew is left.’ We can’t live here if one ‘Islamo-Nazi’ remains in Gaza.”

fargeol,

Relevent Monty Python : www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWVQZIH-B6U

VantaBrandon,

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    CanadaPlus,

    I downvoted, now you’re doing Holocaust inversion.

    Like, yeah, most people want to live in peace, Jews and Arabs alike. This guy is literally quoting Hitler as a guy who had the right worldview, so not him.

    CouncilOfFriends, (edited )

    Promotors and apologists for genocide seem to believe “rooting out the Nazis” is an excuse they can claim with no evidence. This ignores the entire point that most people could not give less of a shit how you label the indiscriminate murder of civilians.

    dwalin,

    “Downvote if you’re a nazi”

    Oh no, he cracked the code, how can we downvote now???

    Roflmasterbigpimp,
    @Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a6a92507-2f8c-4605-a7ea-90b6c3e46e84.png

    Brickardo,

    Actually, everyone and it goes many millennia back. If everywhere you go it smells like crap, look at your foot.

    kaffiene,

    The Jews have a lot of awful history. But right now it’s Israel who are comitting Genocide. That’s not “living in peace”

    veganpizza69,
    @veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum

    Passerby6497,

    Wow, Bibi wasn’t quite far right enough for this Jewish Nazi. And fucking ironic he’s talking about ‘Islamo-Nazi’ s.

    Aceticon,

    Pretty much the entirety of the Zionist propaganda follows the same ethno-Fascist lines as the Nazis stuff, from the “chosen people” and them claiming to represent a whole ethnicity to their claims that their agressive murderous violence along ethnic lines is “defense” and even calling anybody who criticizes their violence as being against their race, in the case of Zionists by calling the “anti-semites” whilst the Nazis would say that such critics were “against the Arian Race”.

    Most of what the Zionists say is just Nazi propaganda with “Arian Race” replaced by “Jewish People” and “against the Arian Race” replaced by “anti-semite”.

    So one kind a member of an ethno-Fascist ideology - a Zionist - directly quoting the leader of another ethno-Fascist ideology such as Hiltler, is not at all surprising.

    stinerman,
    @stinerman@midwest.social avatar

    It does seem like the TL;DR of right wing Israelis is “Hitler was right, but his only problem was that he was killing us.”

    werefreeatlast,

    Looks like they choose themselves. Nobody chose them.

    Etterra,

    Time is a flat circle and irony is dead

    pyre,

    wait, he ACTUALLY SAID HE’S QUOTING HITLER???

    when i read the title i thought he said something identical or very similar to something Hitler said maybe without knowing… all fascism leads to the same destination after all, you don’t need to be deliberate about it. (remember how people said TFG was quoting hitler and he said, and i paraphrase, “i didn’t know he said it i just came up with the same conclusion on my own” as if that doesn’t make it worse… kinda like that)

    but NO! he literally quotes Hitler by attributing the quote to Hitler without a modicum of irony. dude the israeli government has gone do far deep into fascism that they can’t even use the thinnest veils as cover.

    Billy,

    He has never been part of Israel’s government.
    Like I wrote in another comment, he was 36th on the Likud’s list 10 years ago, and later founded a party that didn’t even get 1 mandate.

    awesome_lowlander,

    Yeah, he obviously can’t be a very good politician if he’s going around telling the truth like that

    pyre,

    i shouldn’t have used the word “government” as what i meant was more along the lines of Israeli politics in general. not that the government itself is much better, they just haven’t name checked Hitler as much yet.

    although natenyahu already has engaged in apologia for Hitler himself so it’s not far off anyway.

    Aceticon, (edited )

    Coming from a country which had a Fascist dictatorship until the 70s, I’ve started calling Zionism ethno-Facism, because it’s a far more rabidly racist strain than most Fascist dictatorships and unlike almost all of the others which were mainly Nationalist, claims to represent an entire ethnicity and justifies even their used of the most extreme violence as some kind life or death fight for the defense of their ethnicity.

    Fascism as seens in places like Spain, Portugal, Greece or even Italy was mainly Nationalist (still authocratic, repressive and violent) and never anywhere as racist or violent as the kind of Fascism that includes claims of racial superiority and representing a whole ethnicity.

    Amongst Fascists in Europe it’s only the Nazis that claimed, like the Zionists do, that they represented an entire ethnicity, who similarly committed extreme genocidal violence against specific ethnicities whilst claiming it was all in defense of their own ethnicity and who in the same way claimed than critci sm of their acts was being against that ethnicity.

    Any Fascism is bad, but ethno-Fascism adds to it the whole layer of ethnicity and hence is far more cold, calously violent and genocidal when it comes to other ethnicities - think Ku-Klux-Klan crossed with Fascism.

    CanadaPlus,

    Yeah, his take seems to be “Hitler was right, races can’t coexist, if only he had been Jewish” from that quote.

    schnurrito,

    Carlos Latuff was right

    mronline.org/2006/07/16/a-lesson-of-lidice/

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Holy based

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/406c0bcb-be15-43d0-8fac-a883dce2695f.png

    octopus_ink, (edited )

    And nearly twenty years old but still relevant.

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/aeb9ed10-3d56-4aee-985f-5b7453b3d5fe.jpeg

    You know what I’d probably be doing right now if I was a Palestinian who was 8 at the start of that graph? Not looking to shake hands with my neighbors that’s for sure.

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Seems like a nut.

    Also he’s not in office. It’s kinda like getting upset if George Santos said something insane.

    I get that people are working hard to find evidence for the “Israel = Nazis” narrative that’s currently trending, but kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel aren’t we?

    crapwittyname,

    Or, here’s another way of looking at it. Man who voluntarily left the ruling party of Israel and remains a part of Israel’s political class quotes Hitler. Not in the way we all quote Hitler to show that a point of view is wrong because Hitler held it, but rather in the way we quote someone like Nelson Mandela or Albert Einstein; to support an argument because we respect the source.
    Meaning, Israeli politician respects Hitler.

    Israel=Nazis is trending because the Israeli regime is genocidal, just like the Nazi regime that necessitated the creation of Israel, which is tragically ironic. This news piece is just garnish.

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    I see people constantly invoking the Nazis to make excuses for the actions of Hamas. The logic is “Israel is like Nazis therefore everything Hamas does it permissible.” It’s idiotic reasoning but it’s commonplace here.

    This guy is similarly idiotic. If you’re outraged by what this guy is saying, look at the rationalizations people on here do everyday in support of Hamas. It’s the same eye for an eye kind of thinking. “Other side is Nazis, therefore we should do horrible things!”

    wicked,

    It’s not supporting Hamas to point out that Israel is doing horrible things.

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    I guess you just pretend not to see comments all over Lemmy expressing support for Hamas?

    wicked,

    I read newspapers in several languages and see your strawman in comments all over the world: Criticizing Israel means supporting Hamas.

    In reality pretty much everyone is explicitly not supporting Hamas terrorists while arguing for a stop to the Israeli atrocities.

    Killing_Spark,

    I’m definitely seeing more comments in full support of Israels actions in Gaza

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Doesn’t mean there isn’t support for Hamas abounds.

    They seem like immature TikTok kids from what I can tell, but they’re around.

    Killing_Spark,

    Oh definitely. I’m just saying both sides have their indiscriminant supporters and that one side is way overrepresented in my experience

    Linkerbaan, (edited )
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Ex Likud members which used to be part of the Knesset that are now running their own party and saying this stuff on mainstream israeli TV channels does indicate something.

    Unless they arrested this guy for saying literal Nazi shit on TV of course. Surely israel would do that right.

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    You think people should be arrested for mentioning Nazis?

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Israel is currently jailing any Arab which posts anything on social media which the state does not condone.

    Arabs in Israel face reprisals over online solidarity with Gaza

    The Palestinian singer Dalal Abu Amneh was arrested briefly this week when she went to a police station to file a complaint after receiving hundreds of death threats. Rather than investigating her complaint, police detained her because of a comment she posted on Facebook, said her lawyer, Abir Bakr.

    “They put cuffs on her hands and feet, and subjected her to insults and humiliation. They want to frighten people and teach them a lesson through Dalal,” Bakr said. After the start of Israel’s bombardment of Gaza, Abu Amneh had posted “there is no victor but Allah” alongside a Palestinian flag on her Facebook page.

    Invoking literal Hitler in a context that literally calls for literal Genocide on mainstream TV, does call into question if there are any double standards present here.

    Now that antisemitism isn’t a problem anymore for israel either since they’re literally quoting Hitler it’s getting pretty obvious that israel is just doing Nazi Germany and white power.

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Here you are claiming antisemitism isn’t a problem in the same sentence where you’re implying all Jews are just like the worst one you can find.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    As you are a known israel defender I’m not going to bother with this extremely antisemitic comment but defending Nazism is a new low for you.

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    I’m known? Cool!

    See the difference between you and I is that I attribute the actions on October 7 to Hamas, not the Palestinian people. But you see any Israeli doing something wrong you use it to paint everyone in Israel as being that way.

    You can split hairs about whether that’s antisemitism, but I don’t care. When you see one person of an ethnicity and/or religious group doing something wrong and then go on to say “they” do things like that, you’re showing what kind of person you are.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    You keep describing israelis as “Jews”. A description israel itself rejects as it claims it is secular.

    So somehow is both “Jewish”, but also “secular”, But also somehow also has Palestinians if Apartheid needs to be defended.

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Because Israel is a Jewish state?

    I tend to say Jew when when someone trends towards hating all Israelis, because hatred towards Israel is a common dog whistle for antisemites. After the “It’s ok to criticize Israel” meme went viral, many antisemites did a find and replace on “Jew” and changed it to “Israeli”. Those same antisemitic conspiracy theories most people would immediately denounced by most people before are now commonly spread simply because one word was changed. When I see those conspiracy theories espoused with one word different from the original, I bring it back to the original version. Why would I pretend that I don’t know the intent for these conspiracy theories?

    Sometimes it’s important to take what you’re saying and put the word Jew in there. If what you’re saying about Israel suddenly becomes uncomfortable when “Israeli” is replaced with “Jew”, then you should consider more carefully what you’re saying. Someone says “wipe them off the map” they are talking about the ethnic cleansing of Jews after all. Or do you honestly believe that those that want Israel wiped off the map would displace Arab Israelis along with the Jewish Israelis? Come on…

    The trick to avoid being a racist is introspection. Some consideration about whether your thinking is being guided by racism every now and then. If it’s uncomfortable to hear your rhetoric being applied to Jews rather than Israelis or “Zionists”, then maybe you should be checking how you’re thinking about things a little more.

    If me considering your rhetoric as being against Jews makes you uncomfortable, then good. Your discomfort might lead to introspection.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Wait I thought it was secular. So you are admitting israel is like ISIS?

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    You don’t seem to understand a lot about history with regards to Jews. Someone can consider themself to be a Jew if they are in the Judaism religion, and they can consider themself a Jew If one or both of their parents are Jews. Sometimes people that don’t consider themself to be a Jew can be considered a Jew by others even if just one of their Grandparents were a Jew.

    All of these have been oppressed in the past. Oppression of Jews generally goes in cycles. Tolerance for a few generations, but then animosity builds up over time. Since Jews are a minority group they’re an easy target, and if a minority group achieves any measure of success people become jealous and a minority group having success runs counter to white supremacist ideology. Paranoia builds up, lots of conspiracy theories around Jews being successful because they used manipulation and took things that rightfully belonged to someone else.

    Then a massacre happens and most people are horrified by it. So the majority of people go back to tolerating Jews again. But after a few generations people go back to the paranoia and jealous hatred against a minority group for achieving any kind of success.

    The last cycle when antisemitism reached it’s maximum, there were no countries that offered sanctuary to Jews. I don’t think that will be the case on this cycle because while there’s few people left who personally witnessed the holocaust, most people in positions of power at least knew someone who was affected by it. But on the next cycle? What happens if the people that say October 7 was justified are the majority and are in positions of power in the west? The tankie pro-Palestinian protest kids of todady will likely be the MAGAs of tomorrow. It’s easy to see the potential of repeat of every country in the world refusing to offer sanctuary to Jews that are the victims of oppression.

    And that’s why Israel exists. It’s not a religious state. It’s also not an ethno-state. It’s a state that exists to provide sanctuary for victims of antisemitism. A lot of people are uncomfortable with the existence of Israel because it’s a reminder of our failure to have any level of humanity towards Jews in the past.

    I hope there’s a day where it isn’t necessary for there to be a country that has a Jewish majority to ensure there’s at least one country that offers sanctuary to Jews during times of peak antisemitism. But seeing attacks on synagogues and attacks on Jewish businesses in the west, we’re unfortunately not there yet.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    So if I start calling myself a Jew you become antisemitic?

    SpaceCowboy,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Critical thinking isn’t exactly your strong suit, is it?

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    It is

    njm1314,

    Here’s a reminder that the right wing Zionist used to work with the Nazis, some of them even after the war starts.

    homoludens,

    Source?

    Linkerbaan, (edited )
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    The Story Of Lehi, The Jewish Terrorist Organization That Tried To Form An Alliance With The Nazis

    He took Jabotinsky’s idea of a mass exodus of European Jews to Palestine and crafted an outlandish proposal: in return for Lehi swearing their allegiance to the Axis Powers, Stern wanted all Jews under the Nazi administration to be transferred to Palestine, 40,000 of whom would be immediately armed and trained to rebel against the British authorities.

    Lehi’s members obtained key roles in israeli politics later on, such as one of their leaders Yitzhak Shamir which became prime minister of israel.

    homoludens,

    The claim was “the right wing Zionist used to work with the Nazis”. The “source” is describing

    • a splinter group (that was opposed by other Zionists)
    • trying to get an agreement with the Nazis
    • that would allow all Jews to leave the Nazi territories
    njm1314,

    Of course the right wing was opposed by other Zionists. They were radical fascists. That’s why I said right wing (the minority) and not all of them. The problem is the right wing is now the majority. Revisionist Zionists control Israel today. They did far more than try to get agreements and it was for way more than for Jews to leave Nazi territory. Stern was hoping to get Nazi backing to attack the British in Palestine and to help prop up the fascist ethno-state that would be established.

    homoludens,

    I’m not familiar with the factions in Zionism, but according to Wikipedia they were opposed by other revisionist Zionists, e.g. Ze’ev Jabotinsky. Also: still no sources

    njm1314,

    I did give you a source, you just didn’t respond to that comment for some reason.

    Also I’m not sure why you think what you’re saying is inconsistent with what I said. The revisionist zionists worked with the Nazis and fascists in Italy. Then after the war started a splinter group continued to work with a Nazis, although there is evidence to say that the other group was also still working with the Nazis. Since you already read Wikipedia you must have seen that part.

    Since you were unfamiliar with the factions of Zionism I suggest you learn about them and that would make you better able to have these discussions. Though keep in mind they’re all friendly with fascists left and right. Because Zionism is inherently a fascist principle.

    homoludens,

    You mean this source?

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Opposed? Lehi’s members became big politicians in what would later become israel.

    I have slightly edited my previous comment to include a bit more detail but here’s israeli Prime minister and leader of what used to be Lehi Yitzhak Shamir

    There’s much more. What’s important to know is that Lehi while not the biggest organisation they were extremely violent. At the time they had massive impact on the direction of israel. Their radical Zionism played a big part in shaping israel and their “the end justifies the means” approach can clearly be observed to this day.

    Bonus meme: Lehi also ran the newspaper Hamaas

    homoludens,

    Opposed?

    Yes, opposed: “These appeals to Germany were in direct opposition to the views of other Zionists, such as Ze’ev Jabotinsky, who wanted Britain to defeat the Nazis even as they wanted to expel the British from Palestine.” Source

    What’s important to know is that Lehi while not the biggest organisation they were extremely violent.

    No, for the question of “the right wing Zionists working with the Nazis” it is not important. You can be extremely violent without working with Nazis…

    Their radical Zionism played a big part in shaping israel and their “the end justifies the means” approach can clearly be observed to this day.

    This may well be, but is also not the same as working with Nazis.

    Bonus meme: Lehi also ran the newspaper Hamaas

    Also no relevance for the question of working with Nazis.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    I like the part where you fully ignored a Lehi leader becoming the Prime Minister of israel

    njm1314,

    You might try reading a bit about the Revisionist Zionist movment. Particularly the IZL (Irgun) and the Lehi (Stern Group). There are tons of great books on this. I’d recommend The Zionist Revisionism from Jabotinsky to Shamir by Lenni Brenner

    homoludens,

    Yeah, sounds like a great recommendation.

    njm1314,

    It is a great recommendation you should definitely check it out.

    footoro,

    Mentioned on page 94 (Chapter 4) of 10 Myths About Israel by Ilan Pappé. To be straight forward with you I couldn’t find the primary source of this statement in there but I think it’s in one of his previous books which are all referenced as sources for this chapter. In general, Pappé is considered credible by the academic community except by Zionists of course, though their opinion on this topic doesn’t count for much imo.

    homoludens,

    Internet archive is apparently somewhat of with the pages, page 94 seems to be in a different chapter there.

    Scanning chapter 4 however, the only mention of collaboration with the Nazis is “[Hajj Amin al-Husayni]'s willingness to serve as a radio commentator for the Nazis and to help recruit Muslims in the Balkans to the German war effort no doubt stains his career. But he did not act any differently from the Zionist leaders in the 1930s, who themselves sought an alliance with the Nazis against the British Empire, or from all the other anticolonialist movements who wanted rid of the Empire by way of alliances with its principal enemies.” (page 65 on the archive)

    This seems like a rather unspecific source for “right wing Zionist used to work with the Nazis, some of them even after the war starts.” (not to mention that njm1314 somehow forgot to mention that at least Palestinian leader also wanted an alliance with the Nazis and actually worked for/with them).

    I’m starting to think that njm1314 is not as well known fact as they make it out to be…

    footoro,

    Sorry, I have the ebook and in there it’s page 94. Here are the references, as said no primary source but he’s referring to his previous books and it may just be trivial to reference at this point. But I’m not from the field and haven’t read every book of him. In general though as I said he is considered credible by the academic community except Zionists.

    The relationship of the Palestinian Mufti is also discussed in more detail in the same chapter. Highly recommend reading the whole book.

    If you’re really keen on verifying this maybe just write a mail to Pappé? In my experience professors actually do answer to such questions.

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/e9e5adf1-587b-4f8c-a3ba-b9a60f97e1c4.png

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/3f780b00-3415-422b-ad09-03bf5a53a1c0.png

    aeronmelon,

    …and there it is.

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    I used to kid about “You know, it’s only a matter if time before someone starts talking about a 'final solution to ‘the Palestinian problem’.” And yet, here we are…

    match,
    @match@pawb.social avatar

    After the war and genocide the Palestinians will need a homeland. I say we give them Norwich and arm them to displace the English

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    There’s actually a really good alternate history novel along those lines, after WWII, instead of Israel, they were given Sitka, Alaska.

    The Yiddish Policemen’s Union

    …m.wikipedia.org/…/The_Yiddish_Policemen's_Union

    The Coen Brothers were attached to turn it into a movie but nothing came of it. :(

    match,
    @match@pawb.social avatar

    it’s got a rebbe mob boss? Neat

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    Really fun characters all through the book.

    Deceptichum,
    @Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Whats with all these Judea-Nazis in Israel?

    NoneOfUrBusiness,

    If you think any of this is new I have a Nakba to sell you.

    xc2215x,

    Nobody Jewish should ever do so.

    Leate_Wonceslace,
    @Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I’m most surprised by how little this development surprised me.

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