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IsThisAnAI, to politics in Biden says he'll ban TikTok if Congress passes bill, but he's campaigning on it until then

Fuck the US government telling me what I can and can’t do fucking online. Great firewall of America bullshit.

Kecessa,

Yeah so that logic only works if people make informed decisions and they don’t, that’s why society the size it is at the moment only works with a government in place setting some ground rules and preventing people from being morons… Our trying to anyway.

Also, the internet is not hosted in international water as far as I know so there’s no reasons it can’t be regulated… Hell, I’m sure you’re very happy (or hope that you are) that CSAM isn’t just everywhere in the name of net neutrality and letting people do what they want on it.

DrDeadCrash,

And who decides what gets censored? Today it’s tick toc tomorrow it’s Lemmy?

ButtCheekOnAStick,

Lemmy is not a United States adversary with a history of spying on foreign intelligence. If it was, I sure as fuck wouldn’t be on it!

nix,
@nix@merv.news avatar

So Facebook is getting banned?

ButtCheekOnAStick,

Facebook is an American company. Are you ok? Can you read?

nix,
@nix@merv.news avatar

An american company that sells data to foreign intelligence so they can manipulate the public. Facebook is a way bigger threat to peoples freedom than TikTok but the CCP boogeyman has y’all in a chokehold so you’re distracted from the real threat

DrDeadCrash,

What if the government decided Lemmy was a dangerous (communist ?) platform that needs to be shutdown? This is a matter of censorship, however the outright open market for our data from all platforms is the elephant in the room here.

ButtCheekOnAStick,

Well, I would expect there to be some shred of evidence that it is dangerous to the security of the United States. We have LOADS of evidence of that for TikTok.

DrDeadCrash,

And if no one cares about your expectations because now it’s been done before so if it’s being done again it must be for good reason?

IsThisAnAI,

Whoever is in charge and feels like testing the limits with no repercussions.

It’s painful to watch progressives learn that this shit will be used against them and worse time after time again.

IsThisAnAI,

I know what’s best for you so let me censor that content. Literal fascism.

Kecessa,

That’s how society works in general and I don’t understand how people think letting the internet be free of laws wouldn’t lead to shit.

IsThisAnAI,

Ohh books next! GOP is getting ahead there.

Kecessa,

You get the laws you vote for.

IsThisAnAI,

“Fascism is only bad bad when it’s the other side” - You

Kecessa,

So you believe that pictures of consenting naked underage people should be freely shared and even made available in magazines because making them illegal is fascism?

IsThisAnAI,

Right to child porn. Classic.

There are narrow exceptions of course. Imagine comparing tiktok and child porn and thinking you are making a point.

Kecessa,

CSAM, underage pornography, hate speech, death threats…

“There are narrow exceptions of course”

Yep, exactly and these exceptions apply to the web as well, just because you’re on the internet it doesn’t allow you to do whatever the fuck you want.

IsThisAnAI,

Again, you are comparing death threats to 30 second videos. Unhinged stuff.

Kecessa,

No, I’m giving examples of things you accept being banned without calling it fascism.

whalebiologist,

I experimented with tor and signal at some point and it was enlightening to see how much of “the internet” as we think we know it is already heavily filtered and served to us through a very narrow pipeline of modern browsers.

Binzy_Boi, to politics in Biden says he'll ban TikTok if Congress passes bill, but he's campaigning on it until then
Binzy_Boi avatar

Still with this? Is there anything that they're doing differently from other social media corps based in the US? The user data gets sold regardless.

ClydapusGotwald,

The difference is china = bad. They don’t give a rats ass if a company in America sells your data cause that’s cool.

FoxBJK,
@FoxBJK@midwest.social avatar

The thing they’re doing differently is being owned by a Chinese company. If TikTok was simply a US based social media corp, no one would care.

Heavybell,
@Heavybell@lemmy.world avatar

Not like everyone is happy about the US doing this, but at least the US is theoretically our ally…

xmunk,

Yea, they’re struggling to get their suicide numbers up as high as Instagram. America demands nothing short of the best so we take deep pride in Zuckerberg’s accomplishment

Badeendje, to politics in Trump allies on Republican National Committee want to help pay his legal bills
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

As long as the IRS hits Trump with the income tax on he 500+ million income this is for him.

Treczoks, to politics in Trump allies on Republican National Committee want to help pay his legal bills

I’m actually torn on this. If they don’t pay for Trumps legal woes, he has to pay them out of his own coffers, which will seriously hit his pride and self image, which in turn will make him suffer. On the other hand, draining the RNCs chests will impede their ability to support REP candidates everywhere.

skozzii,

My thought is, If Trump pays himself he will simply finance it and when his whole house of cards falls someone else will be on the hook with his biggest bankruptcy in history - which is inevitable.

On the other hand if it comes from campaign funds then the money will actually get drained from people who need it right now, so for me it’s a clear choice, let the campaign pay!

lastjunkieonearth,

How many ‘Republican National Committee members’ are there and are they, like, filthy rich? (not from US). Kicking in a few million each could be a small price to be in favour with your future dictator

Hazzia,

While I’m not sure about your exact question, I do recall hearing recently that the republican establishment is effectively broke, and has been causing a myriad of issues for local campaigns everywhere. There may be some number of private donors that will want to help bail Trump out, but that’s still going to be money they won’t be donating to help republicans win the house and the senate.

stoly,

They are asking if the entire committee is rich people.

xmunk,

The RNC shouldn’t be allowed to cover his expenses. We can’t stop random billionaires from bailing him out but he should need to grovel like a bitch to make it happen… and be required to pay tax on that bailout.

stoly,

Yep. I’m more and more ok with the GOP just going broke and fizzling out. Some other party will pop up but it won’t be the same.

Chainweasel, to politics in Trump allies on Republican National Committee want to help pay his legal bills

Let them, there will be no money for down ballot candidates and we can get a blue Congress.

frezik, to politics in Trump allies on Republican National Committee want to help pay his legal bills

Don’t interrupt your enemy in the middle of making a mistake.

queermunist, to politics in Trump allies on Republican National Committee want to help pay his legal bills
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Remember when people said they liked Trump because being rich made him impossible to buy?

dudinax,

That’s what he said. I suppose some number of idiots must have parroted him.

Hazzia,

Just like with way too many of the dumbass statements that come out of his mouth…

Dagwood222, to politics in Trump allies on Republican National Committee want to help pay his legal bills

I’m sure that a man who could bankrupt a casino can bankrupt the entire GOP.

Boddhisatva,

Trump: Hold my beer Adderall.

Dagwood222,

foxnews.com/…/the-white-house-has-a-pharmacy-and-…

I love when Trump scandals are so huge even Fox has to report them.

givesomefucks, to politics in Trump allies on Republican National Committee want to help pay his legal bills

Lol…

The good thing about the elderly running both parties is they don’t learn from each other’s mistakes.

2016 Hillary had a “donation sharing” program where lower ballot candidates were told everyone would get a portion.

Something like 90% went to Hillary, she wasted it, lost the presidency and caused Dems to lose a lot of other seats.

trump literally watched that happen and is now doing the same thing.

gravitas_deficiency,

This whole thing is such an insanely high risk/high reward dynamic for both parties. I really hope this election ends up shattering the GOP as a viable political party… but that might not happen. Also, even if it does, it’s anyone’s guess what the successor party will turn into.

givesomefucks,

It takes s a long time to really fracture a party, it doesn’t happen overnight

And honestly, the DNC’s actions over the past primaries culminating in them pulling an entire states delegates in a primary Biden was not in any danger of losing…

Ds will fracture first. Or they’ll both happen the same cycle at least.

If NH doesn’t get delegates in 28 for something Dems in NH has no control of, the dem party is pretty much over.

I don’t see NH republicans changing the state law, and I don’t see DNC backing down because NH keeps going progressive.

So I expect NH won’t get primary delegates for a while.

DNC drew a line in the sand. And there’s no way for NH Dems to legally do what they want.

Whether or not the DNC understands doesn’t matter. They’re either completely ignorant of how the law works, or actively working against democracy.

frezik,

The Federalist Party basically died with Hamilton. The Communist Party of the USSR was thought to be entrenched right up to the moment it wasn’t. Political change can happen surprisingly swiftly.

That goes double when the group is rallied around a specific person. That person goes away and the group shatters. The GOP is primed for this, and we’re somewhat fortunate that even in the worst case scenario, they rallied around a 77 year old man who eats a lot of McDonald’s.

ptz,
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

Save us, cholesterol, you’re our only hope.

givesomefucks,

If trump died today, another grifter who wants the same shit would emerge by morning.

If anything they’d be more dangerous because they wouldn’t be so open about it.

Don’t forget Hillary was pushing for trump in 2016 because he was the only one she thought she could beat.

trump isn’t special, he’s not some once in a generation politician. Neoliberals just say that about any Republican running for president because that’s the only way people can be convinced to vote for neoliberals.

Doesn’t matter who his replacement is, the replacement would be better at hiding the crimes.

frezik,

No, he’s exactly that. His cult of personality is not easy to replicate. There will always be political grifters, but ones who can mobilize a mass movement are rare.

givesomefucks,

Do you not remember GW Bush?

If you didn’t live thru, you might believe that no Republicans supported him while president, because as soon as he left office they all said they never did

When trump is gone, it’ll be the same.

They’ll drop him in an instant, move to the next one, and claim that’s how it’s always been.

They do it with damn every president.

Hell, look at fucking Regan, he managed to hang on a little, but it was the same thing

This happens over and over and over…

But you’re just going to keep disagreeing, and I don’t think explaining it a 4th time will help

frezik,

Yes, I was 18 in 2000.

He was not a cult of personality the way Trump is. There is nobody who can follow him. The GOP is no longer fostering a clear successor like they used to. You can see this in how well Trump-endorsed candidates do in their elections. Even when they win, they under perform, because Trump voters want the man himself, not his lackeys.

For every L Ron Hubbard (where the organization goes on without him more or less as it was), there are a hundred Oneida cults (where the leader being jailed left the group a shadow of what it was).

vegeta, to politics in Trump allies on Republican National Committee want to help pay his legal bills

Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.

-Lyndon Johnson

givesomefucks,

That full quote was critical of Republican voters, but you could also see the yearning he had for democratic voters to be that basic and easy to trick.

And the party has been trying to make Dem voters like Republican voters ever since

njm1314, to politics in Elon Musk's pick for district attorney of Texas' Travis County lost on Tuesday

That’s nice and all, but basically all the other guys he was rooting for were victorious. Real distressing freaking primary.

SuiXi3D,
@SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

Doesn’t mean any of ‘em will win the general.

njm1314,

Yes they will. It’s Texas. The last election the Republicans swept most the Races by 10 points. They’re all going to win.

SuiXi3D,
@SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

I hate that you’re correct.

njm1314,

Yeah it’s a bummer.

KbSez, to politics in Elon Musk's pick for district attorney of Texas' Travis County lost on Tuesday
drdabbles, to politics in Elon Musk's pick for district attorney of Texas' Travis County lost on Tuesday
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

Losers tend to find each other easily in the crowd somehow.

billbasher, to politics in Supreme Court will hear Trump presidential immunity argument April 25

This is insane that it’s even being considered. If they rule presidents have absolute immunity then Joe Biden could just throw Trump in jail and not have to answer for it, which I would not want any president to have the power to do

chakan2,
@chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

Than and the ensuing civil war is the only way we get out from under the train wreck of the US government.

Biden doesn’t have the balls to pull that trigger though. Trump does though.

billbasher,

There is so much wrong with the US government. I don’t even know what a good solution is but I don’t think Trump is it. We probably need a hard progressive like Bernie or Butigeg

SuiXi3D,
@SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

Regardless of who wins that civil war, China or Russia will control the country afterwards. We, the people, lose regardless.

chakan2,
@chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

China is going to own us one way or another in the next two decades anyway.

grue,

They’re going to stall the decision until after the election in order to torpedo the case against Trump while also denying Biden the power.

gravitas_deficiency,

Honestly? If they rule Trump has absolute immunity, Biden should just order seal team six to take him out on the spot, since it would be entirely legal. But he most definitely won’t.

uUuUu wE Don’T wANt to Be thE oNes tO CReaTe a baD pReCEdeNt you stupid political fucks he is a racist psychopathic narcissist rapist mobster who doesn’t give a fuck about anything but himself. Dude has openly fucking promised to enact extreme, politically motivated retaliatory prosecution - including flagrant misuse of the DoJ and exploitation of their ongoing corruption of the judicial branch - on anyone who’s wronged him, just to start. And then there’s his plans for education. And immigration. And international policy. And so on.

When someone repeatedly and consistently tells you exactly who they fucking are in horrifying detail, you really should believe them.

billbasher,

Well said. I agree Biden would probably do nothing in that case. I also agree with everything you said. Unfortunately the people we want to rule, who stick to the rule of law and are focused on the betterment of citizens, always lose to the people who step outside the law and try to cling to power. I don’t think those people can be dealt within the confines of the law generally. Unless you mess up so bad you have 91 indictments. Even then it’s not guaranteed

Coach, to politics in Elon Musk's pick for district attorney of Texas' Travis County lost on Tuesday

This guy is getting so good at losing, instead of X, he should start naming his companies L.

normanwall,

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