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dogslayeggs, to world in Paris wants an AC-free Olympic Village. Team USA and others aren't so chill with it

It’s one thing to have hotels in the city do this for the millions of tourists, but to force this on the highest performing athletes trying to achieve peak performance at the absolute most important competition of their life is kind of shitty. It’s a two week event for about 11,000 people. I’m pretty sure the AC from that doesn’t put a dent on the AC from the rest of the tourists from the event or the tourists throughout the year in freaking Paris.

nova_ad_vitum,

The emissions from ACs for 2 weeks likely isn’t close to the emissions from all the construction they did just to host . The whole thing is ridiculous. The corrupt IOC officials watching from box seats and staying in 5 star hotels are all going to have AC.

AA5B, to world in Paris wants an AC-free Olympic Village. Team USA and others aren't so chill with it

This system of water pipes could have made for excellent, very low energy heat pumps. Imagine how efficient that could be with a ground source only 5-10° away from comfortable at all times!

ms_lane, to world in Paris wants an AC-free Olympic Village. Team USA and others aren't so chill with it

the Athletes’ Village will be cooled by a system of water pipes running beneath the floorboards.

Cool, like underfloor heating but in reverse. If it works well, of course.

Officials aim to keep the rooms at between 73 to 79 degrees Fahrenheit

Nice 26c is fine.

Officials … will also provide fans.

oh, so it doesn’t work…

Viking_Hippie,

No no, they’ll provide FANS to serve as butlers. Fetch the odd cool drink, ice cream or condoms. That sort of thing

goferking0,

Idk if they tested enough to work out if it will be able to keep up with all the screwing they will happen

Blackmist,

26C is way too hot for me to sleep properly.

Imagine training your whole life for one Olympics where you’re at peak performance, then having it fucked up because organisers decided to do this performative nonsense.

No wonder half the teams are bringing air con.

r_deckard,

Underfloor heating is great. Underfloor cooling without some form of dehydration will lead to condensation, moisture, and mould.

TheFriar,

Not to mention, hot air rises up from the floor. Cold air…doesn’t.

englislanguage,

Therefore they need ventilators

TheFriar,

Or run the piping in the ceiling?

ms_lane,

Indirectly they are, since they’re multistory buildings.

RIP to the top floor.

stephen01king,

Why would having fans means it doesn’t work? I use fans along with AC to make the cold air distribution faster, doesn’t mean my AC is not working.

tobogganablaze,

If you’re running an AC and the room is still at 24°C+ I would say it’s not working.

stephen01king,

If the AC was set to 26 °C, you’re expecting the temp to be below 24 °C? What are you even talking about?

ms_lane,

You’re not wrong, but if you’re setting to 26c and still need a fan, you should just set it lower.

I personally run 27c in summer and don’t need an additional fan.

stephen01king,

Yeah, but we’re talking about an underfloor cooling system here. They don’t really have a way to distribute the cold air like air-conditioning systems do. So in the Olympic village’s case, a fan should be needed.

BastingChemina,

I disagree, a fan is way more economical and ecological than the AC.

So you should put the fan first and if the fan is not enough then you put the AC on. Especially if it’s a ceiling fan that is almost completely quiet.

Chocrates,

79f is not exactly chilly, circulating air makes it feel more comfortable.

ms_lane,

It’s not exactly hot either though, after being in 35+c sun, it’s pretty chill.

For reference, my aircon is set to 27c in summer (still comfortable, but cost effective) and 18c in winter (WHO minimum recommended house temp, any less is a health hazard - also for cost effectiveness - electricity is expensive)

Chocrates,

I hear you, but 79 is “hot” if you are used to be in 70 degree ac. They will get used to it of course but athletes don’t want to have to get used to it.

555_1, to world in Paris wants an AC-free Olympic Village. Team USA and others aren't so chill with it

As people are dying from the heat, this isn’t cool.

tal, (edited ) to world in Paris wants an AC-free Olympic Village. Team USA and others aren't so chill with it
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Hidalgo, who is against countries bringing their own units, stressed earlier this year that Paris organizers would not change course.

“I think we have to trust science on two counts,” she said. “The first is what scientists are telling us about the fact that we are on the brink of a precipice. And secondly, we have to trust the scientists when they help us to construct buildings in a sober way that allows us to make do without air conditioning.”

France has the highest percentage of nuclear power of any power grid in the world and its electricity is generated emitting a very low level of carbon dioxide.

ourworldindata.org/…/carbon-intensity-electricity

According to this, France emits about a seventh the carbon dioxide per unit of power generated as the US does. We can use seven times as much electricity in Paris as back in the US and still have about the same carbon dioxide emissions.

Chocrates,

Just because it is less damaging in France doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a carbon impact.

nova_ad_vitum,

Life has a carbon impact. Forcing this burden disproportionately on athletes while spectators (not to mention corrupt IOC officials) enjoy hotels with AC is ridiculous.

thoro,

Kinda seems like we should just listen to the French then

MisterD, to world in Paris wants an AC-free Olympic Village. Team USA and others aren't so chill with it

Tldr: the rooms will have pipes INSIDE the floors to cool rooms between 73-79F.

What about the humidity?

Cold floors + humidity = slippery wet floors

_edge,

Don’t think that’s ever been a problem anywhere close to Paris climate. It’s not that humid and it’s not that hot. The difference between inside and outside climate is not that extreme.

And if humidity is a problem, you are dealing with mold, not actual wet floors. That is if the buildings are not well engineered and it would show in the long run, not during the gamee.

SpiderShoeCult,

Condensation shouldn’t be an issue as long as you’re not cooling below the current dew point.

However, after experiencing one of these underfloor cooling systems once, I can say that the biggest issue is that cold air tends to be heavier and thus stay down. So in order to cool the entire room, not just the layer of air right above the floor, you need something to move the air, which is probably why they’re providing fans. Either that or you can just lie on the floor all the time…

Floor heating works because warm air rises. I never understood why ‘floor’ cooling wasn’t piped through the ceiling, instead. There are probably some engineering or heat transfer issues there, though.

GreyEyedGhost,

Heating/cooling works better with a heat sink, such as concrete. Water is also heavy, so laying it on top of the floor is far easier than suspending it from the ceiling. Also, in many places you will want to both heat and cool, and running heating and cooling in different locations costs up to twice as much. The easiest solution is to move the air, so fans do just fine.

MisterD,

I’ve seen a video where they did have cool pipes in the ceiling of a big building or skyscraper.

johan,
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I have this system at home and it’s great. Similar climate to Paris and never a problem.

Rapidcreek, to politics in WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange strikes plea deal with the U.S.

Chelsea Manning served seven years, Assange ended up with five. Seems about right. No reason to spend money or time for more courts.

EleventhHour,
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Chelsea Manning has least tried to leak their information with some sort of honor.

Only Chelsea Manning can claim thi

Julian Assange has been a fugitive for nearly 3 decades. These things are not the same same.

I’m sure someone will come along and claim that these two things are the same. Do not believe them.

mina, to movies in Years before intimacy coordinators on Hollywood sets, there was the 1996 film Bound
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@Blaze

"Bound" is one of my absolute favourite films.

pooberbee, to movies in Years before intimacy coordinators on Hollywood sets, there was the 1996 film Bound

I just recently watched The Matrix Resurrections, and it’s renewed my interest in the Wachowskis. There was a lot that reminded me of Sense8, and I’ve been considering a rewatch, but maybe I’ll check this out.

Emperor,
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Definitely do, it’s a great film.

maegul, to movies in Years before intimacy coordinators on Hollywood sets, there was the 1996 film Bound
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Interesting. After watching cloud atlas recently I was nostalgic for the Wachowskis and thought I’d try to watch what ever I’d missed from their filmography.

dasenboy,

In the middle of Cloud Atlas, it’s been amazing if flawed, will finish soon (it’s 3 hours long!). As for Bound it’s an amazing film and actually has a scene

Tap for spoilerthat is a percursor to bullet time (not with crazy dodges or anything, just slow mo bullet).

maegul,
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it’s been amazing if flawed

My feelings too. I was very happy to have watched it. Cheers for the push to watch Bound!

remotelove, to world in Deadly methanol-laced bootleg liquor kills dozens in South India

Oops. I read the title as “menthol”, not methanol, so this article really confused me at first.

Still, I found a paper on death by menthol that was an interesting read: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4830155/ (Who knew there were hidden dangers in peppermint factories?)

tardigrada, to technology in A supermarket trip may soon look different, thanks to electronic shelf labels

The real change in retail pricing might be discrimination pricing (or ‘surveillance pricing’ as it is now called sometimes). Simply speaking, it uses personal data to personalize prices not just for each customer, but also for each customer depending on actual circumstances such as day time, weather, an individual’s pay day, and other data, collected through apps, loyalty cards, …

As one article says, there is One Person One Price:

"If I literally tell you, the price of a six-pack is $1.99, and then I tell someone else the price of a six-pack for them is $3.99, this would be deemed very unfair if there was too much transparency on it,” [University of Chicago economists Jean-Pierre] Dubé said. “But if instead I say, the price of a six-pack is $3.99 for everyone, and that’s fair. But then I give you a coupon for $2 off [through your app] but I don’t give the coupon to the other person, somehow that’s not as unfair as if I just targeted a different price.”

The linked article is a very long read but worth everyone’s time. Very insightful.

Spacehooks, to politics in Couples say they can't get married because of this government program's outdated rules

No no! it’s the gays!

/s

Zerlyna, to politics in Couples say they can't get married because of this government program's outdated rules
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Yup. I live in this hell too.

snooggums, to politics in Couples say they can't get married because of this government program's outdated rules
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To save a click: It is a federal disability program that doesn’t literally keep them from getting married, but the loss on benefits that would come from being married is keeping people from getting married.

nkat2112,
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You are noble. Thank you.

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