Don’t forget millions upon millions of low-information, low-empathy voters and non-voters who let it happen, many who still lazily believe that corporations are our friends, that “what’s good for walmart and Exxon is good for 'Murica”, that they are still the client and not the product, and the far-reaching implications of this.
And even sadder is that users choose to still use those companies.
At the end of the day, we all have a choice. This happens to those that allow it. We try to stay safe from burglars, traffic accidents, illness, etc., but choose to still use these companies. That’s a choice, and there are ways to improve our lives, like removing them from our lives.
How much stock ownership remains with the nonprofit Raspberry Pi Foundation? And will that be enough to hold off shareholder complaints that they aren’t being evil enough?
No, shareholder interest, which - in the absence of the clear desire of the majority shareholder(s) - is assumed to be profit. So I think the question above is quite important actually
This is a common misconception based on an argument put forward my Milton Friedman. It’s based on legal cases where CEOs were taken to court for knowingly defrauding shareholders for their own personal gain (say, selling all of a companies assets of the company to a different company the ceo owns privately for a single dollar).
Friedman argued that these cases set precedent that meant all CEO were legally obligated to maximize shareholder value and could be held legally accountable for not doing so. Friedman was wrong about this, like many other things he said, as he was not a lawyer, nor a particularly good economist. No CEO has even been successfully sued for “failing to maximize shareholder value” despite some people taking Friedman’s work to heart and trying to do so.
It comes from the case against Henry Ford after he saw his company was making gobs of cash and decided to give some of that to his employees. Shareholders successfully sued him to stop this on the grounds that he has a fiduciary duty to shareholders.
He was sued for miss use of company profits, not for failing to maximize profits.
He took profits and was reinvesting in new plants and cutting car prices, while also ending dividend payments to do so. That was the crux of the case, ending dividend payments despite having money to continue paying them. This case is routinely held up as an example of shareholder primacy but has been dismissed as an example of such by most modern thinkers In the field, in large part because the court also ruled that he had final say on how to proceed with company operation. Increasing worker pay was not the issue, ending dividends to make capital investment was.
Edit: also, I should clarify, he was the majority share holder, and the minority shareholders could thus not replace him with someone willing to pay dividends. He was not being sued for failing to seek profits, he was being sued for holding those profits hostage from other shareholders.
“Homelessness is a growing problem, and some providers worry that a homeless person may destroy or soil the bathroom,” she said. “Flush provides a way to access and provide access to a clean, reliable bathroom … Airbnb was so successful because it provides something we all need — a roof over our heads — and Flush is doing the same for bathrooms.”
yeah man, Airbnb really solved homelessness and the “having a roof over your head” problem huh
Airbnb was so successful because it provides restricts behind exorbitant price-gouging for something we all need — a roof over our heads — and Flush is doing the same for bathrooms.
Europe in general has been moving away from doing it for decades… yet some places have been fluctuating between “oh no, who will pay for the free restrooms!” and “oh no, who will pay to keep the streets clean!” 🤷
Bingo, it’s a basic need and proper sanitation benefits everyone.
Handle them like public utilities, paid by the taxpayers and available to all. Incentivizes the local businesses by giving them some tax rebate if they open theirnto the general public. Someone taking a dump in an alley is a vector of disease on top of being disgusting and smelly.
@yogthos Is anyone surprised by this anymore? Facebook is evil- full stop. We don't need any more reasons to obstain from using their products but "mArKeTplAcE" and "mY cOuSiNs WoNt SwiTcH."
Craigslist also doesn't have shit on it. try and buy a car on there. if you're looking for a beater, sure. but a halfway decent sports car, fb marketplace is the only place
its still OK for other stuff, I've bought tools and whatnot off Craigslist, but for vehicles fb is unfortunately still king
What you’re describing is the network effect in action, not a flaw in Craigslist.
(It will be the same with every alternative you find, except perhaps one that’s well funded with outside money, which will be awful on the privacy front, of course.)
The way we overcome a network effect is piece by piece:
First we switch to the privacy-friendly service for everything we can. That immediately reduces our exposure, reduces the power of the incumbent, and makes the alternative more useful by giving more users a reason to switch.
Then, over time, we switch for the remaining things as we find a suitable service for each one. (This might even be the same privacy-friendly alternative we started with, after it has grown a little.)
If I felt I had to buy a sports car, and some awful invasive site like Facebook was somehow the only viable venue, I would buy just the car there. I wouldn’t make them the middle man for every other transaction in my life.
well yea its not Craigslist itself that's the issue, its the fact that its a smaller platform. and yea I use eBay or Craigslist for everything but vehicles.its sad that Craigslist has been forgotten though.
I agree. However, I think that most people won’t use Craigslist simply because it doesn’t have a lot of the modern niceties, specifically modern messaging solutions. The email system they have is pretty painful to use.
It’s easy enough to do messaging via text, or whatever other contact info you choose to give out. I like that I can use Craigslist without giving them much info about myself.
If you’re suggesting that a messaging system built into the venue is critical for success, then I suppose all of us wanting privacy are out of luck for now… but perhaps Craigslist (or some other privacy-friendly venue) could make it happen by integrating Matrix.
I agree that most messaging services are problematic, but Facebook having Messenger is part of the moat that’s keeping FB users on Marketplace. I think offering any non-email messaging solution would be hugely beneficial. I like the Matrix idea quite a bit.
Europe’s new Digital Markets Act might help in this department, too, through legally mandated interoperable messaging. Let’s hope it works out in our favor.
I feel you. I’ve spent the last couple years building up self hosted replacements for these enshittified services as they flop. But despite all the work I’ve put in, I can’t even get them to log off facebook to look at what I’ve got.
You make an excellent point, without use it’s mostly just there for nothing… but, specifically I build shit that they complain about. I have my personal photo site up with all my digital photos from the last 25 years catalogued and available from anywhere, I did this because they complained about not having them accessible. Hasn’t been logged into by anyone but me…
But I don’t really blame them, I get it. The easy button is right there.
Maybe the idea is to show the folks who keep complaining about defederating from Threads that they either don’t know or have forgotten just exactly what kind of company Meta is.
The conspiracy theory I’ve heard is that Mozilla is basically paid opposition to Google. Their leadership is being paid (by Google) to run Firefox into the ground without actually going out of business.
Half plausible, but honestly I’m more inclined to lean into Occam’s Razor and believe there’s no conspiracy and the CEO just got AI mind worms, which is an epidemic right now
Their CEO is the biggest symptom of their problem. She demands a sky high compensation despite her poor leadership. The company has been in a spiraling decline for the past decade now. Instead of focusing on bringing a great user experience, they alienated their most staunch users with things like Pocket and allowed PWAs and Electron to eat their lunch.
If I read that article correctly, that was up to $10 to book use of the nearest bathroom?? I’m sorry, when nature calls, I can’t see people trying to reserve a time slot, like you would a hair salon.
I think it’s not the services fault that people aren’t aware of the limits of encrypted services. They are not going to shut everythin’ down just for a few people, if you need smth anonymous Proton is not for you.
Also, it’s your task to have good opsec. If you give your iCloud email to Proton which has personal information sticked to it, your fault.
I do not blame Proton for complying with a request - it is a completely expected action from a company. However, I would blame them for advertising that makes them seem safer than they are for people who don’t know better.
Oh it is for you, but you have to be careful. Proton won’t try to find out info you didn’t give them, but they can’t pretend that they don’t have info that they actually have. They run an onion service, and account recovery is made possible without a recovery contact.
I mean, there are better options, but you can also use Proton anonymously. Just have to use it appropriately. If you use it to send your name to the FBI, there ain’t nothin Proton can do about that. Same if you link a recovery email linked to a personal account.
And yet Europe gets held up as this bastion of liberty and personal rights…
Things like the GDPR are lovely and all, but then ask for the ability to have real-time access to private communications, pick a lane folks the rest of the world needs an example to live up to
The problem with that line of thought though, while people generally expect/wish for private communication, few actually care to understand the mechanics of it. Nor should they have to, that’s what security engineers are for, to do all that archaic setup so people can just use it without having to check certificates and protocols and all that stuff.
I’d say that if we could just have a simple to use, no-click pgp style system things would be good and we no longer have to keep nagging people to set things up the ‘right’ way, but so much of the hassle comes in by people using 100 different communication platforms.
It’s kinda crazy to me how hate-filled Lemmy is just a half-year after I joined (when it felt like a breath of fresh air after deleting my Reddit account), especially for Mozilla. Mozilla has issues, but it’s nothing they can’t fix or come out of. They don’t deserve to die. And all the conspiracy theories I’m reading is just nonsense. I happen to be a Firefox user, but really it’s mainly because Google decided to screw with user choice (i.e. Manifest v3). Firefox is still FOSS, and it’s still giving plenty of user choice.
And all this AI talk is just bandwagoning by every corporation because if AI (as in LLM and whatnot) happens to be a baseline thing for many corporations, Mozilla not implementing it could backfire for them, so while it is bandwagoning, it also makes sense to hedge one’s bets on it.
I, for one, think this current notion of AI is too raw to take any real shape (outside of the current novelty), and these corps that are jumping on it, just like they did with “web 2.0” and “big data” and “the cloud” and “blockchain”, will eventually find that while there is some tangibility to be found, it will take many years to solidify into products that make sense for a consumer.
Yeah and AI is pretty useful for doing certain things. For example my pixel can turn on subtitles for any video or audio playing and even translate it for me on the fly. AI isnt blockchain and it isnt all chatgtp or making images with too many fingers. People are talking about improving web standards as if whatever ai stuff google,MS, and apple are cooking up wont be used in order to enhance various web features.
Likewise firefox is currently a good browser and does keep up for the most part. I’d understand the criticisms if firefox was suck in 2009, but modern day firefox is fast and works well and they will likely continue keeping up with standards while an independent team works on the open source AI stuff
Yep, exactly. Firefox does what it sets out to do – be a FOSS alternative to the ever-growing corporate browser market, providing user choice and useful features.
And I agree that AI as both a concept and implementation in its various types and forms will continue to be iterated upon and will continue to show numerous useful applications. I only hesitate that what is being called AI at this moment as being some kind of groundbreaking thing that changes the world, like corporations seem to be making it out as (hence the bandwagon to try to cash in on it).
It may very well change the world in the near future, but it’s not quite there yet. It is novel, and it is cool what ChatGPT and other applications can do, such as the example you gave, and that does have a very tangible quality to it. I feel that any fast-moving technological pace must be met with trust and with objective science every step of the way, and the likes of ChatGPT and other AI models have quite a ways to go – especially concerning trust.
I happen to be a former conkeror user, which was based on XULRunner, which Mozilla dropped, just like other ways to use their engine for other browsers.
But I could use pre-Australis Firefox.
Only then their experiments on people with UI design happened.
And yes, Mozilla as an organization has objective flaws. Their treatment of the SeaMonkey project (now separate) has not been good as well.
It’s kinda crazy to me how hate-filled Lemmy is just a half-year after I joined (when it felt like a breath of fresh air after deleting my Reddit account), especially for Mozilla.
I realized after diving into this niche that depending on who you follow that’s exactly how people behave. I had to stop following @jwz because it’s only hate and negativity all the time. I have this exact same feeling on Mastodon.
Let’s face it, we lost the fun, early web long time ago. It was all taken over by corporations and when Mozilla dies (and that’s not if) they will finish locking it up and the only way to browse it will be by using official, ad filled tools. Best thing we can do is to prepare ourselves for the world without web (www?). We’ll still have apps and communicators and of course will still use websites at work but the days of ‘browsing’ will soon (well, hopefully not very soon) be over.
If Apple really said their decision was partly based on Epic calling them out on their DMA plans then it seems it should be a pretty easy win in court. Apple would literally be meaning “if you say bad things about us we’ll cancel your account.” I know private companies aren’t bound by the first amendment but surely that can’t be legal.
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