Elbows have always been allowed on the table. The rule for fancy dining was that you couldn’t have elbows on the table during a course, i.e., when people are actively eating, but before/after, it’s fine. That’s a reasonable rule to be considerate of space.
If you have a large number of people eating in comparison to the size of the table, and the table is already covered in food, the only place on the table to put your elbows is in other people’s personal space.
The rule should be “no elbows right next to someone else’s food” but neurotypicals are terrible at communicating due to their underdeveloped social skills and empathy.
People other than you, who are not “neurotypicals” whatever tf that even means, are able to accomplish seating large amounts of people at a table and use basic table manners just fine. It’s just common courtesy.
Yes, neurotypicals are indeed able to have large family dinners. But they have to do it using table manners as a crutch. They can’t just have an honest conversation about what’s really necessary, they need to rely on this social construct to tell people what to do without explaining why. It’s a great weakness. If only the average person weren’t so afraid to introspect and to question why we do things.
Which is kind of the point he is making. Instead of engaging in a honest talk and understanding the reasoning behind social norms, they are just pushed as normative and understandably confusing to people who struggle with “just behave like everyone else, lol”.
Ironically this is exposing us neurotypicals to be socialy underdeveloped instead of non neurotypical people.
As someone who can’t sit straight I only wore shorts and trousers until I learnt this trick in my twenties. While I personally don’t find it lewd, other people clearly do and I get so pissed off every time someone feels the need to inform me that they’ve been looking up my skirt.
I’m gonna be the Debbie downer and mention that no-iron clothes have synthetics in them, the washing of which is a major contributor to the microplastics problem.
Lol who said anything about specific garments? We just wear our clothes wrinkled and no one cares. My linen shirts looked wrecked for an hour or so and then the wrinkles fall out, for instance.
Linen is supposed to be wrinkly, that’s why it’s so cool. It lets the breeze get between you and the fabric. Just hang it up wet, giving a few strategic tugs to smooth it out, especially the collar.
I have never even heard of “no iron clothes” until now, and I haven’t ironed any of my clothes except when I absolutely had to do it because I was in the Marines.
Hard to tell if it is actually worse or a false memory, because they originally came out when garbage sugar-laced food science was really taking off targeting the younger demographic.
I keep having this argument with my mom. She keeps trying to tell me it’s because I’m older and my taste bus have changed. I’ll admit my preference in flavor may have broadened but all my favorite snacks and candy from the late 80s and early 90s have been terribly inshitafide. My absolute favorite was skittles. The apple ruined them but then they finally caved and put lime back in only to change the receipt altogether which ruined them a second time. At least one of the ingredients is illegal in most countries at this point.
Here is a fun fact. All skittles taste the same. They just add different scents to them to trick you into thinking there is a different flavor. That being said the lime ones were my favorite too.
This is silly semantics. If you can close your eyes and tell which color you are eating then the flavors are different enough. Scent is also linked to taste.
I did that in the military. They were less keen and some shit hit some fans or whatever. So I got me some safety pins for my neckline and they shut the fuck up and my millennial self rejoiced.
I feel like a lot of people from different countries would fit that description after the fact since technology was more expensive and it took us longer to be able to afford the new and trendy items.
Hopefully no weddings or funerals coming up. Then again, if you’re American, I’ve seen people show up to a wedding in shorts and a baseball cap. No ironing required.
The most recent funeral I attended, only the deceased’s brother wore a suit, the rest of the family wore basically everyday clothes, as did 99% of the attendants. I left my suit jacket in the car because I felt overdressed.
Just across (south) of the bay from you judging by your name: I was at a funeral recently, not many people wore suits. Of course, nobody wore shorts or anything, but not too many formal suits.
The deceased wasn’t the type that would want anyone to put on their Sunday best just for him, so it made sense. But when I mentioned it to my father, he commented that no one really wears suits to funerals anymore, or even weddings.
Casual clothes killed most ironing but ain’t nobody showing up in a wrinkled suit.
Unless you’re upper management or going to a wedding/funeral/formal event, why would you even wear a suit? In the last decade I’ve worn my suit 3 or 4 times in the last decade, and they were all weddings or funerals.
Yeah I should have put an edit in. I didn’t know this was going to blow up like this. I don’t wear a suit or formal clothes more than about once a year, for the events of friends and families. I’m not trying to say it’s an every day thing.
Give it a try. Hit up a thrift store and get some great tacky suits from the 70s and 80s, if you can find em. It’s a bit of fun to wear them when it’s not necessary or expected. I probably wouldn’t wear a really nice wedding/funeral suit in such cases because I spill fucking everything and would become destitute from the dry cleaning bills.
Now, if it were a social expectation/requirement, it would suck and not be fun. But, as a choice that one can make, it’s great sometimes.
I have a tailored suit in my closet, but there’s no way in fuck I’m showing up to work in that suit or any other suit.
For one, I work from home and I want to actually be comfortable. For two, if I was going into the office, I would ruin it at some point crawling under desks and behind racks and shit.
On the rare occasion I have to wear a dress shirt for work, I’m making sure it’s as wrinkled as possible. I wouldn’t want to be mistaken for one of the execs, it gives the impression that you don’t work hard. I think it’ll continue bubbling up in the same way not wearing a tie and not having curtails did.
I bought an ironing board and an iron when I moved into my current home thinking “yeah, I have some shirts, I’ll iron them when I need them”.
That was 3 years ago. The ironing board was put into a corner out of sight and the iron is still in its original packaging, unopened to this day. I’m trying to justify my purchase with “better to have it and not need it than the other way around”.
My parents bought me one when I moved out. Kept it around boxed for 5 years before throwing it out unused. If you care my clothing is wrinkled, I will never respect you.
Bragging about wasting a perfectly good tool (and a gift) that you were too stupid to figure out how to use. Then, to mask your embarrassment, you try to put blame onto those who do understand the purpose of an iron.
I at least got one of those little cheap half size ironing boards that I can hide by the dryer. I iron special occasion clothes and that one silk shirt I love to straighten the button strip whatever if it is egregious… Otherwise it sits unused 99.5% of the year.
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You know, I want software patents, math patents(yes, they are not legal. Yes, they exist.), NDAs, DMCA and mass surveilance to be on list what millenials are killing next.
You joke but my dad once fell face first into a bonfire and blistered most of his face. When the skin grew back his dermatologist told him that a lot of people would kill for a skin treatment as good as what he wound up with. He was almost entirely blemish and wrinkle free when he healed.
You could probably manage the same with enough hot steam from an iron but it may take a bit longer.
Fuck yes it is. I think I’ve ironed more this century than my Boomer mother. And none of it was out of necessity.
After working as a farm hand one summer, it was like a switch flipped in my head and I really started to like button-ups and the like. Probably something along the lines of “this clothing is completely different from my work clothing and doesn’t have animal shit on it”.
No-iron shirts and slacks are still the way to go but, getting those wrinkles that escape is just so satisfying.
Which is either a boomer talking about zoomers because they’re too young to own irons vs anything of higher priority or some random person confessed to not ironing and thinks everyone does
I got into sewing so I do use an iron, but even then half the time I’m lazy and don’t even press my seams. I’m not very good at sewing as a result, but I have a good time all the same.
The other really valid reason is linen. Kinda unrelated to sewing itself and it’s not about stopping the stuff from crinkling (that’s right-out impossible), but to make sure that crinkles don’t always appear in the same place so the fabric has a chance of wearing down evenly.
Found this out the hard way because my linen duvet covers are oversized – nominal size is correct, but they’re made for down blankets, not flat ones. Blanket slides inside, generally towards the bottom, leaving a fabric flap on the top that really tends to crinkle as you sleep, wash, hang up, the crinkles don’t straighten out, exact same crinkles appear in the exact same spot and get chafed while sleeping, rinse and repeat for two years the first hole starts appearing, a month later there’s more than you can be bothered to patch.
Luckily it was a simple matter of running a stitch down the length of the thing to shorten it a bit, but given that an iron and ironing mat (not a full table, mat is completely sufficient) is significantly cheaper than linen covers or just the material for them, definitely worth the investment and time.
Oh and yes linen covers are definitely worth it because moisture regulation. It’s also nice and soft – not in the silky smooth sense, it has definitive grip to it. So are linen kitchen towels because they actually dry stuff instead of spreading water around. Half-linen is already a massive upgrade over cotton in that area and it’s much cheaper (the main reason why full linen is so expensive is because it’s a bugger to weave, not because the yarn is that much more expensive. Weaving linen wefts into cotton warps OTOH is pretty uncomplicated).
Oh that’s easy (and probably disappointing): None. Not really a hobby of mine, more of an extension to doing the laundry and being a cheapskate who can’t fathom buying something new when you can fix it in the time it takes to listen to a podcast episode.
You make good points. I can’t stand linen myself, I find it scratchy and itchy, makes my skin peel, but I realize I’m in the minority, and if you like it, it’s worth making it last.
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