boredsquirrel,
interdimensionalmeme,

We have moonligh/sunshinefor that

What I want is remote windows

And I want them on wayland, on X, on my android phone, in the meta quest 3, in my browser and on windows (native, not wsl)

cerement,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

is Debian shipping with it default yet?

bastonia,

while Debian is still deciding if they ship with Wayland by default or not, Fedora and KDE are planning to already completely drop x11 for their next release (they ship Wayland by default)

bamboo,

For Fedora I’m not surprised, but KDE is considering dropping X11 support already?

lemmyvore,

Yes, because Plasma 6 is so flawless on Wayland. /s

shaytan,
@shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Fedora 40 with kde plasma 6 dropped a day or two ago, and they did remove x11, you have to get it from the repo in case you want it, otherwise, it only comes and is planned for wayland, which I believe is great, for once it does seem like the year of wayland

lemmyvore,

Fedora should drop every other DE except KDE. That would really free up some resources.

bamboo,

It would also uncheck a lot of accessibility requirements that RHEL in particular needs.

lemmyvore,

I was kidding about Fedora but Red Hat can actually afford to do that. They’re not a generalist distro, they can and should offer their customers a very specific desktop stack.

bamboo,

Part of the reason red hat uses gnome is because it is the only desktop that meets many accessibility requirements. It would be a huge engineering effort to bring any other desktop up to par in that regard. Most graphical Linux software is really far behind in accessibility.

lemmyvore,

It doesn’t have to be KDE. That was just the joke for Fedora.

Unlike Fedora, Red Hat can actually afford to use a single DE and a very specific graphics stack and to get rid of X completely. They don’t have to support the full breadth and legacy of Linux desktop apps. For Red Hat machines the desktop is just a means to an end – it facilitates access to certain GUI tools.

TheGrandNagus,

Debian Gnome has had it as default since 2019.

offspec,

Just waiting on kde 6.1 for remote input so input leap can work

TootSweet,

That site’s great.

The main thing I wish for is for ffmpeg to start supporting the wlroots screengrabbing api.

Max_P,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

Been working great for me for ~1 year on my desktop and closer to 2-3 on my laptop.

The only thing missing for me was Barrier for input sharing, which libei is supposed to fix. I ended up going for a hardware solution as Barrier is jank af anyway.

Only thing not working for me is HDR (should be fixed in Plasma 6.1), not like you could do HDR on Xorg anyway. Also no HDMI 2.1 but that’s because fuck the HDMI Forum.

Performance-wise, just blows away Xorg in every metric, and explicit sync should make that even better.

popekingjoe,
@popekingjoe@lemmy.world avatar

Oh so a Plasma update broke HDR. I was wondering what happened when HDR went from looking primo to looking washed out and ugly. I’ll just wait patiently on SDR. :)

Max_P,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

Were you using patched KWin or something? Because experimental HDR support is supposed to be one of the big features for 6.0, so unless it broke in 6.0.3 or something, you shouldn’t have had an update to break HDR in the first place because it wasn’t supported.

popekingjoe,
@popekingjoe@lemmy.world avatar

No just whatever came from the Arch repo. I’m not entirely sure what version I’m on right now, but it’s been broken for me for maybe 2-3 weeks. It’s not the biggest deal and I’m used to unimportant features like that occasionally breaking.

Max_P,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

Well that’s a weird one then. It got released February 38th and took a couple days for Arch to get it. I had the washed out colors too but I didn’t have any HDR before that. That’s ~6 weeks ago so yeah it’s probably 6.0.3, the last that came out about that 2-3 weeks ago. I guess you were one of the lucky ones it worked and then broke! With a bit of luck it’ll be fixed for good on 6.1.

octopus_ink,

Any chance it’s hardware dependent? First I’m hearing of this and I just toggled it off and on to be sure I wasn’t seeing things - mine is definitely working. I’m all-Intel FWIW.

Max_P,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

It works for most people but there’s some issues with some monitors where the color saturation doesn’t work well and result in washed out colors compared to SDR.

It will also output RGB into YUV buffers if you have a display that only supports YUV colorspaces, so you end up with a very green and reddish purpleish screen.

Initial HDR support was introduced in 6.0, and 6.1 is supposed to bring some fixes for the washed up colors. I haven’t found a bug for the YUV stuff and didn’t have time to do a proper bug report.

octopus_ink,

Ah makes sense, thanks for the additional info!

LaggyKar,
@LaggyKar@programming.dev avatar

Could be that the graphics card is outputting an HDR signal (Rec. 2020 color space), but the monitor is in SDR mode. That would result in desaturated colors.

popekingjoe,
@popekingjoe@lemmy.world avatar

I wish it were that simple, but no. The monitor enables HDR automatically when being fed an HDR signal. I can confirm that HDR is enabled on both ends and it still ends up washed out, whereas before it was perfectly fine. :(

Zamundaaa,

Only thing not working for me is HDR (should be fixed in Plasma 6.1)

What’s supposed to not work, and what am I supposed to have fixed in 6.1? There haven’t been any major changes to HDR since 6.0

wispydust,

What hardware solution did you go with?

Max_P,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

A bigger desk so I can just roll the chair a few inches to switch to the work laptop.

My original plan was a keyboard/mouse only KVM, probably a Teensy or a RPi or something of the sorts. But I got lazy as the extra desk space has just made it a non-issue for me. I also have a Logitech mouse that can switch between devices, so if I was going to really need that setup I’d probably just get the matching keyboard.

Corr,

Wondering if anyone has an alternative to cursr. That’s really the only thing stopping me from making the switch to Wayland full time. I use to make my 2 displays that are different resolutions play nicer

DannyBoy, (edited )

I want to switch to get high refresh rates on my multi monitor setup. I tried recently again but I can’t for the life of me get screen sharing working, which I need for work.

Edit: With some help here and a Slack update released yesterday to fix the problem, it’s working in both Zoom and Slack!

shaytan,
@shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Your work app may be electron based (which is a bit too common nowadays), and until they update to electron 29, wayland won’t probably work.

(or until they add xwayland video bridge, but the former option is better than the latter.

frazorth,

What were you trying to screen share with?

Most of the apps people are using are Electron, which has supported Wayland and the pipewire screensharing for nearly 4 years. However since Chrome/Chromium doesn’t enable Wayland by default, Electron won’t. Which also means that no one tests it in their apps.

I’ve had such success just ignoring the apps and using the web client since that’s up to date and doesn’t require the app builders to enable features.

At least under Fedora.

boredsquirrel, (edited )

You can also force apps to use Wayland via environment variables.


<span style="color:#323232;">ELECTRON_OZONE_PLATFORM_HINT=wayland app
</span>

Alternatively you can use


<span style="color:#323232;">app --ozone-platform-hint=wayland
</span>
frazorth,

However since no one tests it I’ve found them to be really buggy. Hence why I suggested just using the web app.

boredsquirrel,

True

DannyBoy,

Can you give some details about this? I can’t find anything online about it.

boredsquirrel,

Electron is chromium based but has own environment variables.

But sorry I think the env var was incomplete or wrong. Edited

DannyBoy,

Thanks, I got it running under Wayland with that (xeyes doesn’t show it) but screenshare still isn’t working. That’s okay, I’ll try again next year

boredsquirrel,

What app? … that is kinda relevant and you should open a Bug that they need to support pipewire portals for screenshare.

Or, as said, use the browser version.

Zoom runs fine in the browser, and it way less invasive. Keep in mind, that “screenshare works” that this app can record everything you do as long as it is running. And if it is a native app (no flatpak) then it can also start how it likes.

DannyBoy,

It’s Slack, so Electron, and the browser version unfortunately doesn’t support Huddle calls, which is what we use for all our calls and where I’d be screen sharing from.

boredsquirrel,

Annyoing. If you are/were on KDE Plasma there is XWaylandVideobridge, which allows to share the screen by apps requesting access to the webcam, but getting a virtual input instead, which comes out of KDEs portal.

Yeah complex, but said to work. Apps need to run as X11 though.

DannyBoy,

I’m on GNOME, but thanks for the help. Getting me to dig deeper and figure out it’s a known issue with Slack and not Wayland will help me going forward.

boredsquirrel,

No, screensharing works really well. Only problem is if apps expect to show a preview themselves, like Firefox. Then you get annoying duplicate portal requests, still works.

DannyBoy,

Looks like it’s a known bug on Slack’s end that’s known for 1.5 years but now is “actively investigated” as of 8 days ago.

…slackcommunity.com/…/when-will-slack-support-way…

boredsquirrel,

Lets see if “active investigation” leads to anything.

DannyBoy, (edited )

Edit: I just updated Zoom and it’s working now! Zoom doesn’t work at all Slack gives me one window at a time and black screens for Firefox windows. I will try both of these in the browser and see if I get anywhere.

boredsquirrel,

You need xdg-desktop-portal, the desktop portal of your DE and a modern Browser.

DannyBoy,

I didn’t know I needed the desktop portal for my DE as well, I’ve installed that now. Between that and updating Zoom it works on Zoom now, thanks.

Molecular0079,

I truly believe the answer to this question is going to be yes around the May - June timeframe when Nvidia releases their explicit sync enabled drivers. All aboard the Wayland hype train babyyyy!

wewbull,

Nah. Wayland is buggy as hell on AMD too. That’s not the only issue.

xuniL,

Hadn’t had a single issue on my AMD igpu. If you experience issues it’s most likely coming from a different source than Wayland itself, it might be worth tracking it down and reporting the issue, so it can be fixed in the future.

thantik, (edited )

Some way of globally capturing hotkeys, for things like starting stream, media hotkeys, etc. Only passing key events to the foreground window is shortsighted, but we need a secure way of doing this.

xuniL,

Pretty sure there is a protocol for this in development or maybe even merged already.

JakobDev,

This is already possible

thantik,

Mind elaborating a bit more?

nexussapphire,

On kde there’s a feature where you can pass all keys to x11 apps and on hyprland you can specify which keys get globally passed to which apps and maybe all keys.

If all else fails you can create a script that uses obs sockets and runs as root to capture keys globally. They seem to be looking into a global keys portal though.

D_Air1,
@D_Air1@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m still struggling with remote desktop software and other alternatives such as sunshine. KDE connect input sharing is inconsistent on wayland, but they will probably fix that eventually. xwaylandvideobridge is great when it works, but currently has an issue with eating input invisibly. Also, some things just seem to be kinda wonky. For example screen sharing portal when sharing my screen in a browser seems to open twice. Same with obs. Still no good virtual keyboard. If onboard worked on wayland that would be perfect.

bjoern_tantau,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Still no good virtual keyboard. If onboard worked on wayland that would be perfect.

Not perfect integration but with a workaround Onboard is somewhat usable.

On my Steam Deck I’m mostly using Steam’s keyboard with Maliit for logins and the lock screen and Onboard in case I need special keys.

boredsquirrel,

Yes the duplicate portals are a mess. On Signal desktop there are 4 portal requests and they all say something different.

OsrsNeedsF2P,

XFCE doesn’t support it yet so I’m not on it.

Also last I tried, autoclickers weren’t working

loutr,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

I haven’t tried it but the website lists ydotool as an alternative.

boredsquirrel,

Lol XFCE. If your reference is a bunch of software thats sole purpose is to be “traditional”, stable and not change, then well.

Btw LXQt will have complete Wayland support soon.

steeznson,

XFCE is my preferred DE when I’m using one. It’s got a long lineage going back to FVWM and the setup remains consistent between new updates. I appreciate how it stays out of the way.

LeFantome,

For anybody else following along, XFCE is working on Wayland support. In fact, the only component not already supporting Wayland in Git is XFWM4 itself. Wayland will ship officially as part of the 4.20 release.

They are creating an abstraction library that will allow XFCE to support both X and Wayland. Other desktop environments are going to use it as well.

boredsquirrel,

Very interesting!

i_am_hiding,

Cinnamon doesn’t support it yet either, so I’m also not on it :(

mactan,

missing a mountain of accessibility tools

frazorth,

Like?

If there is something missing, add it either as an issue or a PR in the project.

github.com/mpsq/arewewaylandyet

It would help your case when saying that it’s not ready. It might also inspire people to fix it if they see something that is missing.

gerryflap,
@gerryflap@feddit.nl avatar

I recently tried to get Wayland working. Followed a simple guide to enable some NVIDIA boot parameter. Somehow it fucked my complete grub and I couldn’t boot until I messed around a fair bit with live usbs. Cost me a whole evening.

So I guess what Wayland is missing is normal support from the GPU manufacturers.

loutr,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

From NVIDIA, really. AMD and Intel GPUs work out of the box.

shaytan,
@shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I don’t know how you messed that up, usually the switch is as easy as it can be, and the issue comes when using it, for its lack of explicit sync, causing apps to flicker, and frame pacing in games to be plain bad

This is being fixed in the next two months thankfully

Edit: Taking about Nvidia wayland support here, AMD and Intel are great

frazorth,

Nvidia didn’t want to play nicely and give standard APIs.

Their work around was other extensions that don’t actually do what’s needed, but sort of works in some scenarios.

All the GPUs I’ve used work fine, it’s a Nvidia throwing it’s toys out the pram situation which should hopefully get resolved as they open source the high level drivers and so the correct APIs can be implemented.

zurohki,

Well, Nvidia initially didn’t intend to support Wayland at all. They’re being dragged into it kicking and screaming, one step at a time.

lemmyvore,

Nvidia don’t give a shit about Wayland. The reason they’re adding explicit sync is because it was implemented in the kernel. They don’t care how it will be used or by what.

crony,
@crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz avatar

For me, the plasma 6 implementation misses nothing. Multiple monitors work with no issues, and every program I could run works with no issues.

My main problem is that none of the tiling wayland compositors ( hyprland for example ) work well with multiple monitors. My usecase is to keepcmy laptop’s monitor in clamshell mode and just use the external one, but I tend to if I leave for a long time to turn off the monitor since plasma can’t turn it off the output for powersaving by itself for weird reasons and plasma 6 kwin will corectly start up on the monitor if I turn it on.

Compositors like hyprland for soke reason won’t and will ontly show blank screen and not even allow me to change to another tty, effectively freezing my system.

But I got used to the way plasma works, made it work similary to a tiling wm for the virtual desktops and placing speficifc windows in specific virtual desktop and stuff like that, so I get the benefits of a good stacking (floating) wayland compositor with robust virtual desktops support.

flashgnash,

Weird, I’ve been using hyprland on multi monitor for a while

Only issue I’ve ever noticed is that some games will insist on running on my second monitor for some reason and will stay locked at at 1080p when moved to the higher res one

crony,
@crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz avatar

My problem is I only use external minitor and turn off laptop monitor, so when I also turn off the external monitor and then turn it back on hyprlamd just has a stroke.

flashgnash,

I’m not sure as to how long ago you did this but it moves workspaces dynamically now when you unplug/replug monitors

I used to do this quite frequently, disabling laptop screen when plugged into monitors

That said it still has a stroke from time to time just not always

crony,
@crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz avatar

Something close to last week or week before.

flashgnash,

Ah right, probably not a new thing then

Switching monitor setups has seemed pretty unstable in hyprland to me but I assumed that was more to do with Nvidia than anything

Akip,

something you can try github.com/ValveSoftware/csgo-osx-linux/…/3282#is…

For me putting the gaming monitor higher on the virtual canvas made them launch on that monitor.

flashgnash,

Ah I see, might give this a go. For now I’ve just not got it plugged in

fmstrat,

Mind trying out WinTile and lettinge me know if it works?

crony,
@crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz avatar

Sure, will test out today or tomorrow.

bitwolf,

My ground for it working with hyprland but it required some hacking. I could ask him what he did if you really want hypr.

Personally I use gnome and plasma and both work great with everything. Discord has some jank but works… Barely

IcePee,

Slightly OT but hasn’t Fedora gone all in on Wayland? Maybe it’s an attempt drive critical mass of adoption and concentrate developers’ minds to closing the gap between now and fully production ready. As such, maybe moving to Fedora will net you the best support and smoothest Wayland implantation.

boredsquirrel,

No, Workstation is still supporting XOrg and there just is a change proposal for to drop Xorg on Workstation 41.

The KDE Spin and the Atomic KDE Variant have no wayland anymore, but there is a COPR repo and you can enable that and reinstall the packages.

isVeryLoud,

You mean the KDE spin and Atomic KDE variant have no X11 anymore?

boredsquirrel,

Yes

lemmyvore,

hasn’t Fedora gone all in on Wayland?

It has not and it will not in the immediate future (~1 year).

None of the large, general-use distros will go further than to offer Wayland by default, for now.

It does not cover anywhere near 100% of use cases and, until it does, removing the only other option would be a show-stopper for a sizable part of their userbase.

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