State of the Union Megapost!

Tonight, Thursday, March 7th, is the State of the Union Address so lets keep everything related to it (including the Republican response) confined to this thread.

This is probably one of the most important speeches Biden can give this year. He has to come across as “Present”, not just “President”.

This will set the tone for the campaign the rest of the year and will be second only to the Democratic Convention speech in August for visibility.

Watch it live here:

www.whitehouse.gov/state-of-the-union-2024/

Or through your favorite news source.

The Republican response will be delivered by Senator Katie Britt of Alabama:

npr.org/…/katie-britt-alabama-republican-biden-st…

Very good speech!

Full transcript is here:

time.com/…/read-president-joe-bidens-2024-state-o…

Republican response from Katie Britt here:

…senate.gov/…/u-s-senator-katie-britt-responds-to…

I encourage you to watch the video and not just read the transcript. Reading it doesn’t carry just how breathless and borderline weepy her delivery is.

xmunk,

As far as I can tell Bernie won’t be giving his own response to the SOTU this year - has anyone seen any announcements by him?

Ensign_Crab,

Bet he moves to the right to try to get Haley voters.

givesomefucks,

They don’t need a reason, just an excuse.

Ensign_Crab,

The sun came up this morning. It’s a clear sign that we need to move to the right.

givesomefucks,

I was going to make a joke about James Caville seeing his shadow…

But even that neoliberals crypt keeper who a year ago blamed “wokeness” for destroying the Democratic party has been ringing alarm bells for a while that it doesn’t look like Biden can win.

And for the first time in 30 years, the DNC stopped listening to him…

It’s like some fucked up monkey paw thing.

They’ve taken everything that nut job has said as gossipal for decades, and the second he’s right he’s out.

assassin_aragorn,

This is why voting is so important, and why voting uncommitted in the primary is a sound strategy this time around. Politicians listen to voters, because they actually show up to vote.

Threatening to withhold your vote is powerful only if you’ve already given it before. I hope more people start understanding this

TransplantedSconie,

He should come out to Sabotage by the Beasties Boys. Liven shit up a bit.

ech,

Can’t wait till the first Zoomer president.

cabron_offsets,

Bruh. We may not have presidents any more.

Cold_Brew_Enema,

Stupid take.

cabron_offsets,

Have you been living under a rock for 8 years?

ech,

Thanks for crashing the tone of my comment with your doomer shit. Real cool of you 👍

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

I kind of wanted the Wonka introduction:

youtu.be/qsgQvZOBhEY

aseriesoftubes,

Found the Friend of the Pod.

JaymesRS,

There’s dozens of us, dozens I tell you…

nilloc,

I read that in Lovett’s voice in my head.

dhork,

The State of my Onion is chopped and sauteed with a bit of butter

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Listen Jack, add some chopped bacon to that!

TransplantedSconie,

So I get in my car, and i’m listening to the beat on MSNBC, and a reporter is saying that she was talking with a bunch of young voters, especially young black voters.

Basically, they think that they’ve already been through a Trump presidency, and it’s not gonna be any different from the first time. Oh boy, could they not be more wrong. Apparently, they haven’t heard about project 2025, or they think it’s nothing big that 20,000 fascists are itching to take over government roles in the next Trump White House.

givesomefucks,

Maybe Biden should have done some shit the first two years instead of “looking into things” until right before midterms.

Then after losing the House, saying it was too late to do anything.

People didn’t elect Joe Biden so he could spend 2 years looking into how to undo the damage of trump.

And Biden failed at that.

Now he’s telling us that this time will be different. Historically, this is what makes 1 term presidents.

TransplantedSconie,

So how should he have “done some shit the first two years”?

You mean like:

The American Rescue Plan

The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law

The largest gun safety bill in 30 years

The CHIPS and Science Act

The Inflation Reduction Act

and support for Ukraine so they can fight off the orks that directly impacts our economy by giving Ukraine old weapons that would have rotted in wearhouses and resupply with new ones providing high paying jobs to American workers.

Stuff like that?

givesomefucks,

I ain’t writing an essay to talk about the whole list at once.

The American Rescue Plan

Oh yeah, that thing that’s the reason American inflation is higher than comparable countries?

vox.com/…/biden-american-rescue-plan-inflation

The authors don’t mince words about why they think that is, writing: “Estimates suggest that fiscal support measures designed to counteract the severity of the pandemic’s economic effect may have contributed to this divergence by raising inflation about 3 percentage points by the end of 2021.”

That is: The US did a lot more stimulus than these other countries, and now it’s seeing a lot more core inflation. And the stimulus that most stands out is Biden’s $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan — because it was enacted after more than $3 trillion had already been spent to stimulate the economy under Trump, with one big chunk of that being approved just three months prior.

“We put gasoline on the fire. That’s basically what the ARP did. It was almost written as if we didn’t just pass a trillion-dollar stimulus in December,” said Goldwein.

Also…

You know only a tiny little slice went to working class Americans right?

Like, everyone got the $1400, even Bill Gates. But a lot went to people, companies, and states that just didn’t need it.

That article is really good, and somebody got paid to write it.

So go read that, soak it up.

And then, if it’s not too late, I honestly wouldn’t mind getting into that infrastructure bill. That’s a doozy, and if you’re bragging about, there’s a lot you don’t know.

But let’s be honest, this comment and that article are more than most would read.

cosmic_slate,
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    givesomefucks,

    Did you try reading the whole article for more info?

    Or did you really think those three paragraphs was the whole thing without clicking the link?

    cosmic_slate,
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    givesomefucks,

    Well, you could have read the article and gotten a great explanation…

    Instead you choose to hurl insults, weird how often the people blindly supporting Biden do that.

    Have a nice life bud, life’s to short for that type of discourse about something so serious.

    Cold_Brew_Enema,

    You sound like a real treasure. Glad I don’t know you.

    assassin_aragorn,

    I ain’t writing an essay to talk about the whole list at once.

    Bruh.

    If you’re going to claim nothing happened in the past two years and someone gives you a laundry list of milestones and events, you can’t just say “eh I don’t feel like writing an essay on it”. Either explain why none of them count, or concede the argument. As it is, your argument is incredibly weak since you’re barely addressing their point.

    Also,

    That article is really good, and somebody got paid to write it… So go read that, soak it up.

    But let’s be honest, this comment and that article are more than most would read.

    Bruh. What.

    If you aren’t going to write a proper response, don’t bemoan that people aren’t reading shit.

    givesomefucks,

    I mean, I said that…

    Went over the first on the list…

    Then said:

    And then, if it’s not too late, I honestly wouldn’t mind getting into that infrastructure bill.

    Because that was the next thing on the list…

    Did you notice how that person never replied?

    someone gives you a laundry list

    It’s known as a gish gallop.

    None of them pass scrutiny alone, but it would take a lot of effort to disprove all of them at once. Especially when the likely result is the person latches on to a small part of a source you quoted and refuses to read the actual source that goes in depth and was written by a professional

    NotAtWork,

    Don’t feed the troll.

    unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov,

    Your article is two years old and provides a mountain of speculation about economics that didn’t pan out in reality. Seriously, check it out, inflation in the US peaked lower than the UK or EU, and has trended below them consistently through today.

    Go ahead and argue about the relative stability of more insular economies like Japan and China, but the Fed did exactly what they set out to do, and they did it more effectively than other comparable central banks.

    You know only a tiny little slice went to working class Americans right?

    Like, everyone got the $1400, even Bill Gates. But a lot went to people, companies, and states that just didn’t need it.

    Objectively, verifiably false. Single taxpayers under $75k, couples under $150k. Bill Gates didn’t benefit. Maybe you’re thinking of the stimulus that Trump signed that blindly handed out thousands of dollars to businesses with little to no accountability?

    IchNichtenLichten,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    So what do you want, Trump?

    givesomefucks, (edited )

    I want Biden to smarten the fuck up while there’s still time to beat trump, and the DNC to learn their lesson about shoving unpopular conservative candidates down our throats.

    But I don’t think it will happen.

    I always wanted every state to have delegates for the primary, I thought that was a low bar too.

    So excuse me if, like most Dem voters, I’m kind of pissed about it.

    agent_flounder,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe I am dumb but… I am genuinely starting to think many people are fundamentally incapable of imagining complex, abstract potential outcomes (like allowing Trump back in office).

    I always assumed envisioning such things was easy, instant, and obvious for nearly everyone.

    Several years ago I started noticing a couple of people make decisions that to me seemed insane and later they were surprised by the outcome that I saw coming a mile away.

    And I started wondering, could this ability to imagine how things will turn out be much rarer than I ever imagined?

    I genuinely don’t know for sure. Not like I have a ton of conversations with different people let alone ones about cognitive abilities lol.

    Like, I didn’t even realize some people can’t see images in their heads or don’t have an inner monologue (think by “talking to themselves” using language) until fairly recently and I’m in my 50s.

    Surely anyone can imagine some vague idea of what happens if they jump in front of a speeding bus. That’s simple. Surely you can at least conceptualize that you’ll be run into and injured or killed. Maybe even imagine it with some internal video of your body being run over by giant bus tires or being flung from the impact and landing in a crumbled bleeding mess. Nothing complicated there.

    But is it actually impossible for some to imagine the many ways Trump and the Project 2025 people are going to fuck up everything?

    That would certainly explain the bafflingly cavalier reactions to cybersecurity vulnerabilities I’ve seen over the years. Or the shrugging off of egregious privacy issues.

    Asafum,

    You bring up an interesting question, and it’s something I noticed in my own life, but for me I always related it to confidence/optimism.

    I’m naturally very anxious, and I think ahead because I worry a lot and I need to have some control of my future or to at least feel like I do by having as much information as I can. Stability has always lacked in my life, and still does, so I know confidence and optimism are in very short supply for me.

    I think more confident/optimistic people tend to be more relaxed about the future because of their natural tendency to believe they’ll be ok and therefore the things around them should be fine.

    agent_flounder,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s an interesting insight. I, too, tend to be anxious about negative outcomes and I think that comes from bad experiences due to ADHD and maybe childhood stuff. Idk.

    Normalcy bias certainly is a thing. So is paranoia. I tend toward the latter lol. But have come to see that outcomes almost always land somewhere between, “eh, it will be fine,” and, “omg we’re doomed.” And usually they wind up slightly more toward the “fine” side of things.

    nexusband,
    @nexusband@lemmy.world avatar

    And I started wondering, could this ability to imagine how things will turn out be much rarer than I ever imagined?

    Yes - it is. As someone with ADHD and in my mid 30’s now, i have wondered the same thing quite often, because a lot of times solutions to complex problems seem extremely easy to me, where people around me are absolutely baffled by me calling a solution very simple and easy.

    I started wondering the same thing a few years back and came to the conclusion: Most people don’t care. I’ve had quite a few very recent discussions about various issues about consumers needing to be more educated and able to make decisions on what they buy. Every time i bring this up, i realize that even these simple things are too much for most people.

    agent_flounder,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

    As someone with ADHD and in my mid 30’s now, i have wondered the same thing quite often, because a lot of times solutions to complex problems seem extremely easy to me, where people around me are absolutely baffled by me calling a solution very simple and easy.

    Coincidentally, I too, have ADHD. Oftentimes, I can envision the general shape of somewhat complex solutions. And either they don’t see it as simple, don’t understand it, don’t understand the point, or can’t see it at all. Now sure, sometimes I come up with idiotic ideas that make no sense once I know more. But not always.

    I have found it is easy for some of us to get spun up about the sorts of things you mention. Like “omg how can you use Windows 11 with all the ads and whatever”. The kind of stuff we rant about on Lemmy. And yeah I think people don’t care a lot.

    Sometimes it is because they have other more pressing priorities. I’ve had to learn that well in my infosec career. It is easy for me to fixate on something important to me. But if a person is just trying to get through the day (I mean, let’s be honest, I am struggling to do that), raising a kid, paying the bills, and so forth, then they have better things to do than fret about an OS and try to find time to learn Linux or cough up the fortune required to buy a Mac or whatever.

    Sometimes they can’t seem to forsee the potential consequences. Either they just are incapable–my original point above–or, in some cases, they don’t have any practice imagining what bad people could try if they wanted to. Maybe due to ADHD and anxiety I had a lot of practice imagining bad outcomes. (Maybe that’s an evolutionary advantage of ADHD lol). I suspect about half my team has ADHD and I think that’s common in the industry lol.

    Nice to find someone with similar experiences! Helps to know I’m not crazy or at least not crazy alone 🤪

    nexusband,
    @nexusband@lemmy.world avatar

    Coincidentally, I too, have ADHD. Oftentimes, I can envision the general shape of somewhat complex solutions. And either they don’t see it as simple, don’t understand it, don’t understand the point, or can’t see it at all. Now sure, sometimes I come up with idiotic ideas that make no sense once I know more. But not always.

    Ha! I know what you mean :D I do too^^

    I have found it is easy for some of us to get spun up about the sorts of things you mention. Like “omg how can you use Windows 11 with all the ads and whatever”. The kind of stuff we rant about on Lemmy. And yeah I think people don’t care a lot.

    Yeah…there are lot’s of things i get spun up :D

    Sometimes it is because they have other more pressing priorities. I’ve had to learn that well in my infosec career. It is easy for me to fixate on something important to me. But if a person is just trying to get through the day (I mean, let’s be honest, I am struggling to do that), raising a kid, paying the bills, and so forth, then they have better things to do than fret about an OS and try to find time to learn Linux or cough up the fortune required to buy a Mac or whatever.

    Same lessons in Infrastructure (although, i have to admit i’m not trying to get through the day, i’ve had a lot of help throughout the years to get a grip on my ADHD except some occasional very heavy distractibility and chaotic thoughts)…but i still except some very basic 1+1…sometimes even that is too much asked. I mean, if you can click a damn start menu on Windows, i can expect you to click it on Linux as well, even if the Icon is a little different, it’s still only a damn menu! ;)

    Sometimes they can’t seem to forsee the potential consequences. Either they just are incapable–my original point above–or, in some cases, they don’t have any practice imagining what bad people could try if they wanted to. Maybe due to ADHD and anxiety I had a lot of practice imagining bad outcomes. (Maybe that’s an evolutionary advantage of ADHD lol). I suspect about half my team has ADHD and I think that’s common in the industry lol.

    Personally, i think my Star Trek addiction helped me a lot in those terms, because i always try to imagine the best possible outcome first and then go down the rabbit hole and tell myself “Well, there’s still a chance!”. Which is also why i try to imagine that in most people, there’s still some good left (there are exceptions…Trump and his cronies being some) - but i agree with you, that most people have lost the ability to just “imagine”. Personally, i also think that’s why the overall state is not that great, because with loosing the ability to imagine things, people also lost the ability to dream. Problem solving, imagining and dreaming are all things that are heavily interconnected and interwoven. I also am of the firm believe, that one advantage of ADHD is that the ability to shape our imagining “as we go”, because “we” can flip between numerous possible outcomes pretty damn fast. And so on. Just a little tip: Try to imagine more “good” outcomes as well - just in case ;)

    Nice to find someone with similar experiences! Helps to know I’m not crazy or at least not crazy alone 🤪

    Same :) And no - you are not crazy and you are not crazy alone :D

    agent_flounder,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

    Interesting about Star Trek as a way to deal with anxiety about bad outcomes :). My Trek love helps me too but more with giving me a nearly imperceptible glimmer of hope for humanity.

    (I wasn’t sure if I was a true Trekkie but now that I’ve been catching up on all the post-Voyager shows I guess I must be because I love all of it… I mean I even found things to like about ST V, so… Lol). Anyway …

    But yeah you may be onto something about people either losing the ability—or maybe the will—to dream of something better. Once you get discouraged enough, it is hard to bother dreaming.

    If you spend enough time online steeped in endless doomerism, with no talk of action or organization or anything, learned helplessness inevitably sets in. Sort of by definition, you stop dreaming. Which is why my recent Trek binges have been so helpful.

    I should add that meds and introspection have helped a lot with the anxiety and imagining the worst outcomes. Now I do it without getting twisted up in knots and it serves me vs the other way around. But I could still stand to imagine good outcomes more often.

    Anyway I appreciate the dialog! You’re a good egg. :) Hope to run into you again in the Lemmyverse before long.

    unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov,

    Ah yes, I believe you’ve encountered people in the wild who support leopards eating their face. This is a documented phenomenon and I, for one, don’t have a clue what can be done about it.

    HWK_290,

    I don’t know where else to post this, so here goes

    I’m sad that Obama never adopted the “-nomics” moniker that Reagan and Biden have. Obamanomics just rolls off the tongue

    givesomefucks,

    Obama didn’t have to rip off a failed actor who had Alzheimer’s most of his presidency…

    This year both candidates are giving it a go.

    Fun fact:

    The early signs of Reagan’s Alzheimer’s was pretty much the same things Biden and trump have been doing. Mixing up words/places/times and drifting off, before coming back to their old selves.

    But it doesn’t get better. Everytime the “old self” sticks around less and the confusion comes back faster. It’s a 100% natural part of aging that we’ll all be lucky to live long enough for it to happen to us.

    Our brains can’t work forever.

    And Reagan was only 69 when he took office, 12 years younger than Biden is now…

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    youtu.be/TbZ_hTEOKZc

    cosmic_slate,
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    kescusay,
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    I can only take those in small doses. C-SPAN is boring, but its callers are absolutely bonkers.

    Chocrates,

    Where!?

    TransplantedSconie,

    Damn. Lloyd Austin is a tall som’ bitch.

    kescusay,
    @kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

    Regardless of age, Biden knows how to work a crowd.

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    That is the truth, and he really seems to like it!

    TransplantedSconie,

    Pow!! Right in Trumps fat gob right off the bat lmao

    TransplantedSconie,

    Wow! He is not pulling any punches lmao. Mike is squirming in his chair behind him.

    agent_flounder,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

    Haha squirm away you little shit.

    Nice to see him call this bullshit out.

    TransplantedSconie,

    God damn right.

    dhork,

    He looks like the Keebler elf

    TransplantedSconie,

    Wish version Keebler elf

    JaymesRS,

    Every time I see a headshot of Johnson, he reminds me of a Lego minifig.

    lennybird, (edited )
    @lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

    I really wish Biden would’ve turned around to Mike Johnson when he was talking about January 6th and ask, “what’s the matter with you, man? Why aren’t you clapping? So you support a fascist takeover? Of course you do…”

    Also turn around and say, 'it’s this man here who is blocking aid to Ukraine while women and children die in Ukraine"

    TransplantedSconie,

    Dude, he was squirming hard in that chair lmao.

    lennybird,
    @lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

    Love it, but I say twist the blade lol.

    FunderPants,

    Dude is sharp, it’s no comparison really between Biden and the “look having nuclear guy”. Im done giving the people “worried” about Bidens mind the time of day.

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    He’s had a couple of mis-speaks but that’s because he’s going too fast (!)

    FunderPants,

    His stutter and mispeaks are not off-putting to me at all. He is obviously mentally fit, this isn’t how someone with mental deficiencies sounds.

    kescusay,
    @kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

    Yep. Watching this, anyone who claims he’s mentally unfit is a fucking liar, and you can immediately dismiss anything else they have to say.

    lennybird,
    @lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

    Look he’s old. I completely agree it’s a concern for >70% of Americans. Both are geriatrics with clear issues.

    But one is morally sound. The other is not. One has smart cabinet members and advisors. The other has his fucking kids in a blatant act of nepotism and crooks.

    Ranvier,

    Biden has also had a stutter his whole life. It’s not new.

    www.cnn.com/2020/02/05/politics/…/index.html

    return2ozma,
    @return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

    His pacing is way off and he’s rushing. Not waiting for the applause to finish.

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    Yup, because he knows slow or paced = “old”.

    kescusay,
    @kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

    He’s absolutely killing it, and you know it.

    return2ozma,
    @return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

    Congratulations, he can read empty promises that multiple speech writers wrote for him on a teleprompter.

    Riven,

    Better than just stealing the speech from the previous guys wife.

    TransplantedSconie,

    He is absolutely going to destroy Trump in the debates. It’s gonna be like Prime Tyson vs Marvis Frazier. 30 seconds and it’s over.

    elliot_crane,

    How long until Donnie boy starts trying to dodge the debates because of “these corrupt political sham trials” and his fanatical followers lap it up?

    the_crotch,

    “will you shut up man?” from the last debates is still one of my favorite TV moments

    xmunk,

    This is why I hope he’ll commit to a lot more engagements like late shows and whistle stop tours. When he’s out talking he reinforces that he’s still got it together… while Trump… well he’s clearly losing it.

    return2ozma,
    @return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s just dumb campaign promises that he cannot and will not deliver on. If he could do any of this he would have already done it

    dhork,

    Well yeah, none of it will get done, and he will blame the guy behind him, and the other guy who is holding his strings.

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    First time?

    lennybird,
    @lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s what could get done if Republicans got the fuck out of the way.

    TransplantedSconie,

    That’s why he said, “Give me a congress that will work with me.” Its not just the president. You need to get people into office who will do these things.

    givesomefucks,

    …

    Did you forget the Georgia runoffs?

    Biden got elected because he claimed he could get Senate republicans to vote with Dems.

    After the GA runoffs, we end up with a 50/50 senate with the VP as tiebreaker. And the House.

    For two years.

    And Biden literally said he couldn’t change anyone’s mind so it would be a waste of time if he tried.

    That happened.

    Recently.

    So, how much does Biden need in 2028?

    And why isn’t he out there campaigning for himself and down ballot races?

    TransplantedSconie,

    Manchin and Sinema say, “Hi!”

    No change to the fillabster means shit gets stalled.

    Elect people who will shitcan the fillabster.

    givesomefucks,

    So, how much does Biden need in 2028?

    You think the result would be different with 52 Ds?

    There’s a lot more people that will vote against progress in office. But they’re not all going to say it if they don’t have to.

    But the point is Biden said he could work with a Republican majority. And wouldn’t try to change Manchin and Sinemas minds when they’re his own party.

    He literally made statements that he couldn’t so he wouldn’t try.

    Elect people who will shitcan the fillabster.

    We do that by replacing incumbents. We need primaries to do that, and we have to fight against a shit ton of donor money, but we can do it.

    As long as we keep having primaries. NH is already out of that…

    Ensign_Crab,

    That’s why he said, “Give me a congress that will work with me.”

    Because no such congress can exist? Either there’s a Republican majority in at least one chamber and nothing gets done, or there’s a Democratic majority in both chambers that finds just enough no votes in the senate.

    kescusay,
    @kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

    He is utterly manhandling the Republicans.

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