Beaver,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

No unlocked bootloader

bhamlin,

Objective c, mostly. 😐

But also the fact that other operating systems run better on their hardware. Linux on apple silicon outperforms macos on that same hardware. A tiny team is porting software to your platform almost completely in the dark.

scytale,

On mobile, forcing browsers to only be designed as re-skins of Safari. I would like an actual Firefox mobile browser that you can use uBO with. Right now Orion can do that somewhat, but it’s not polished.

panicnow,

I really enjoy Apple products, but this is my biggest peeve. It’s not like I cannot manage without a different browser—certainly about half of americans primarily use Safari—but the flexibility and customization of Firefox or chromium would be very welcome.

Rai,

Yehhh it’s interesting reading this thread but I’m on my still-super-fast five or six year old iPhone and my biggest complaint is I would LOVE to have an actual version of my beloved Firefox with plugins and whatnot. Firefox Focus works fine but it’s still WebKit. Safari works great with Wipr, vinegar, and baking soda but it’s no Firefox with ublock.

panicnow,

I use Adguard, vinegar and baking soda, but wasn’t aware of Wipr. I might give it a try as a replacement for Adguard. Glad you mentioned it.

Rai,

It’s not perfect, but I do appreciate it when I’m away from my PiHole! It’s also hella cheap, which I appreciate. I should check out AdGuard too!

ninjaturtle,
@ninjaturtle@lemmy.today avatar

Mostly their marketing practices. They are designed well but mostly designed to keep you locked in one way or another.

For me, their desktop is not as intuitive as people make it seem and lacks simple shortcuts that most other desktops have.

On mobile, its the restriction of customization and options. They are getting better at customizing but still limit you on options for anything outside of their apps. They claim to be private but follow similar practices as other companies, just in a more quite way with better PR.

soloner,

Wife spilled some beer in the keyboard. Screen doesn’t turn on, it doesn’t hold a charge, keyboard doesn’t work. But we need sensitive data off the drive.

Take it to their “genius” bar where we are told there is nothing that can be done for the old data and we should just buy a new one.

I take it home, Google a bit and try target disk mode. Et Voila I’m in and can get that data from the hard drive as though it was an external HDD.

Why the Apple “genius” didn’t share this option with me? They don’t actually care about helping.

And that’s the rub with Apple. They don’t give a fuck about their users or developers. Just want to herd them around to make more money off their overpriced garbage.

NauticalNoodle,

I’m not a masochist.

TCB13,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

In terms of privacy? What’s the alternative? I’m sure that stock Android phones are way way worse in terms of privacy than any Apple device ever made.

Android is great in theory but the amount of pre-installed garbage, material design and Google / vendor powered spyware is way too much for my liking. I’m not saying that Apple doesn’t track things, because they do, but at least there’s no vendor garbage and you can go through the Settings and disable everything you don’t need, restrict Apps from running in the background etc. If you don’t upload your data into iCloud it will be way more private than the average Android phone.

Another thing I dislike about non-Apple phones is that, besides the Pixel and a few others, their bootloader and storage security is a joke, if someone gets your device you can assume they’ll get to your data.

GrapheneOS is great, it would be the one and only alternative to the mess that Android is however I can’t daily drive that as it lacks features (nice things) I do want to have.

Ilandar,

I’m not saying that Apple doesn’t track things, because they do, but at least there’s no vendor garbage and you can go through the Settings and disable everything you don’t need, restrict Apps from running in the background etc.

Did you make a mistake here? You are describing an Android device. You can even remove apps entirely from a device with a tool like Universal Android Debloater, and Android allows alternative app stores so you don’t need to rely on a heavily limited selection of proprietary apps.

TCB13,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

That tools doesn’t always work, besides an iPhone comes clean out of the box. No constantly running spyware on the background, no Samsung/Xiaomi apps. Almost everything can be easily turned off under Settings unlike an Android where you’ll be forced into a 3rd party tool or a ROM like GrapheneOS if you want a clean experience.

When you buy an iPhone you’ll also have a guarantee that you won’t be installing malware, even with the new Alt Stores in Europe, all the apps are code-signed and require validation. You also are sure that your apps won’t be able to get system-wide access and run all over your data and battery like we see on Android.

Yes, the iPhone is less open but it provides a level of security, privacy and “cleanliness” out of the box that Android devices can’t just match. If you don’t have much time / interest / tech skills to mess around with a phone then the iPhone is the best phone you can buy.

Ilandar,

an iPhone comes clean out of the box

How does it come “clean out of the box” when you literally just said it requires modifications to the settings to improve its privacy?

at least there’s no vendor garbage

Samsung and Xiaomi apps are vendor-specific and can be disabled, even without the use of UAD (which works fine, not sure why you’re lying about that).

unlike an Android where you’ll be forced into a 3rd party tool or a ROM like GrapheneOS if you want a clean experience.

GrapheneOS is available as an option because Android has an open-source basis. Remind me which alternative privacy OS Apple allows third party developers to create for iPhone? Which iPhone did they allow users to install this imaginary privacy OS on?

You also are sure that your apps won’t be able to get system-wide access

Android applications have been sandboxed for several versions now.

TCB13,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

How does it come “clean out of the box” when you literally just said it requires modifications to the settings to improve its privacy?

iOS comes with reasonable privacy defaults and blocks things such as apps running in the background for long time. Going into the settings is the extra-mile that still easier than having to install a cleaner ROM or deal with 3rd party tools.

Samsung and Xiaomi apps are vendor-specific and can be disabled, even without the use of UAD (which works fine, not sure why you’re lying about that).

I’m not lying about anything here, you know as well as I do that many vendors don’t allow you to remove all of their Apps and most install permanently running daemons that you can’t remove without UAD or other methods.

Android applications have been sandboxed for several versions now.

Yet the sandboxing isn’t even comparable. One key aspect of the iOS sandbox is that is not only restricts filesystem access but also executes applications with way less privileges than Android does.

To complement the sandbox iOS apps are forced to use Apple’s APIs in order to access user data (eg. Contacts and Photos) which will apply strict restrictions such as allowing you to limit at a system level what photos an application may access. Since all apps are required to be summited to Apple for review (even on Alt Stores) they’ll enforce the usage of their APIs making it way harder to bypass restrictions.

Comparatively, on Android, you can install applications from random sources that typically resort to hacks to get around the sandbox restrictions and access more than they should.

Asudox,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar
  • Overpriced
  • Tim Cook
  • Closed ecosystem
  • People using Apple devices are usually people that don’t know a thing about tech, yet boast about how good Apple is while criticizing other brands, blindly believing the marketing Apple does
  • Shitty decisions
  • Devices are designed to be as hard as possible to self-repair
  • Overpriced
phoneymouse, (edited )

What’s wrong with Tim Cook?

Edit: Downvoted for asking a question, y’all are miserable people.

Reddfugee42,

Same reason I don’t like sony. They’re too busy telling the people who buy the fucking products what they’re allowed to do with them, and spend the rest of the time creating proprietary shit that traps their customers.

Hardware is great. Everything else is pretty much an abusive spouse.

possiblylinux127,

The hardware is locked down and proprietary. I wouldn’t call it great.

Reddfugee42,

The hardware quality, seeing as I already spoke upon the programming and philosophy. Sorry, thought that was clear.

bluegandalf,

They’ve redefined privacy to be privacy from everyone except themselves, and then indoctrinated people that they are the most privacy conscious company.

stoy,

iPhone user here, that is…

…quite accurate actually.

I have used Android and even tried to switch to Android a few years ago, but whenever I use Android, I can’t shake the feeling that uncle Google watches whatever I do, I don’t get the same feeling when I use iOS.

Weather either feeling is accurate I can’t say, but I hesitate to trust an ad compny’s OS over a computer company’s OS.

Again, that is just a feeling, I make no claim wither way which is factually better.

possiblylinux127,

Just use a custom rom

pumpkinseedoil,

Try GrapheneOS (on a Google pixel, ironically) if you truly want privacy

jawsua,

iPhones tend to send close to the same types of info back home. When started, idle, inserting a SIM, on the settings screen, even when not logged in. Like, its very similar even when you look at comprehensive lists which a lot of people either don’t know or ignore. I’m not saying that there aren’t specific benefits or reasons to feel more comfortable with Apple. But saying its because they intrinsically are more private, I feel like that’s a bridge too far

trk,
@trk@aussie.zone avatar

feeling

Classic Apple user, IMO

stoy,

Android users also have those, and they also do let their feelings dictate the choice of field communications device

panicnow, (edited )

I’m not an Apple apologist, but I feel there are some things Apple does that are privacy focused.

  • The ability to E2EE encrypt iCloud is a very simple privacy feature that is accessible to the technical and non-technical alike.
  • Private relay provides a double VPN architecture that doesn’t cause constant captcha hell and again just works for non-technical people.
  • Hide my email, while not being perfect, is a pretty straightforward method to make throwaway email addresses.

The things I hate about Apple are generally not privacy related.

  • They are a mega-corporation that stifles innovation
  • They don’t allow other browsers
  • They are puritanical about what is allowed in the App store
Templa,

Can’t say anything about privacy because I haven’t used their stuff enough, however I have an iPad from 2013 in perfect state that it useless because I can’t install anything on it.

possiblylinux127,

Locked down proprietary ecosystem that lacks basic support for open standards.

No thanks

frauddogg,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Overpriced, locked down hardware, walled garden software, and a snobbish userbase. I simplify it all down to "I’m not paying 500 more dollars for a logo."

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar
WolfLink,
  1. There are cheaper 3rd party (and also cheaper 1st party) charging options
  2. That wheels kit is clearly aimed at big businesses and not something a normal consumer would buy

There’s plenty of real things to complain about Apple, no need to be petty like this.

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Not only the wheels, take a llook on their store and it’s hilarious prices for simple complements. Pitty that you must buy a charger apart for your phone which not even include it by default.

WolfLink,

Sure, if I didn’t have 100 compatible chargers already from a variety of other products, and wasn’t willing to purchase 3rd party products, I’d have to buy a $20 adapter from Apple.

Also, I just checked and the latest Pixel comes with a cable but not a brick, same as the iPhone. Also Google’s cheapest power brick is $25, so it’s actually worse than Apple.

Got any real complaints?

Croquette,

“Other company is worst so Apple is in the clear”.Why are you shilling for a mega corp that doesn’t give a shit about you?

WolfLink,

If the worst thing Apple ever did was sell some optional components no one needs to buy to use their core products for more than you think is reasonable, Apple would be a fantastic company.

I’m not shilling a mega corp, I’m calling out petty bullshit. You’re the one making Apple look good by complaining about petty bullshit. Find something real to complain about.

possiblylinux127,

They kill of third party solutions shamelessly.

WolfLink,

?

possiblylinux127,

You cant use standard parts in there hardware

WolfLink,

You certainly can use 3rd party chargers

possiblylinux127,

No you can’t really as lightning requires you to pay royalties to Apple. It isn’t a open connector. You can’t even get anything faster than USB2 speeds.

BobaFuttbucker,

iPhones have USB-C now……

Rai,

“What even are facts”

possiblylinux127,

Only the most recent ones and everything but the “pro” model doesn’t support anything but USB 2.

Not that it matters though as it is still a locked down ecosystem.

BobaFuttbucker,

Fair, but now that they’re using USB-C that’s a temporary thing.

Also most people don’t need USB 3 speeds on their phones anyway because they don’t really plug them into anything that will take advantage of those speeds.

I realize some people do, and for those people the pro is the answer to that.

It seems like you just keep moving the goalpost to keep having a reason to hate Apple.

possiblylinux127,

I connect peripherals to my phone. You can’t do that with a iphone

BobaFuttbucker,

Yes. I can, and I do.

ji17br,

Feel like I travelled the world reading this thread with the amount of goalpost moving.

possiblylinux127,

Because I don’t want an IPhone? I don’t like Apple.

BobaFuttbucker,

You don’t have to like them, you just keep revising the reason you hate them when it becomes clear your reason is wrong. You’re starting from the conclusion of “I don’t like Apple” and just working backwards. That’s what moving the goalpost is.

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