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Streetlights, in Kate Mulgrew told Rick Berman she wanted a gay character on the Voyager bridge

And Rick the Dick Berman said fuck no, in fact here’s a blonde bombshell in a catsuit. Fuck you.

Pea666,

Who turned out to be gay in Picard but Berman didn’t have anything to do with that I believe.

Streetlights,

He’s been firmly out of Trek since Enterprise.

Etterra,

I didn’t think she’s gay, probably more pansexual. She had a pretty weird upbringing, if you’ll recall, so her sexuality is more like “gender is irrelevant.”

Iheartcheese,
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Why is she wearing a catsuit and heels?

BGOR!11!11

DharkStare,

What’s funny is the “blonde bombshell in a catsuit” turned out to be one of the best characters on the show.

Iheartcheese,
@Iheartcheese@lemmy.world avatar

The studio said ‘add big tits’ and they took that and made an amazing character.

evatronic,

The episode that really nailed down what a talented actor Jeri Ryan is was the time she had all those assimilated personalities surface and was switching back and forth rapidly, and the bit where the Doctor “took over” her body when they were in prison.

Both times, it was absolutely believable that someone else was at the wheel, and “Seven” wasn’t there.

Iheartcheese,
@Iheartcheese@lemmy.world avatar

Her being the doctor is one of the greatest things in the entire series.

echodot,

And also the time she thought she was a ballroom singer. And the moment she switches back to seven you can see it in the way she stands.

ValueSubtracted,
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While I absolutely do not want to defend Rick Berman, I also think it’s important to acknowledge that his brand of assholishness was not unique (and, frankly, still isn’t).

exocrinous,

To be fair the blonde bombshell in a catsuit was initially nonbinary.

And then Janeway immediately gave it conversion therapy and told it to be a woman.

mrgreyeyes,

As an adolescent boy, I did not really mind the choice.

Jackhammer_Joe,

As a grown up man, I still do not really mind the choice.

ValueSubtracted, in Chris Pine Was Surprised by New ‘Star Trek 4’ Writer Hire Because ‘I Thought There Was Already a Script…I Was Wrong or They Decided to Pivot’
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Let’s be honest: at this point, they could make the greatest Star Trek film of all time, and it would only be 1/47 as entertaining as watching the executives at Paramount Pictures stepping on infinite rakes in infinite combinations as they try to make the damn thing.

ptz,
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Harsh but fair. 😆

WastedJobe,

I wonder how many people have been inspired by the Paramount executives to take up sailing…

RunningInRVA, in Save Lower Decks

Lower Decks!

stargazingpenguin,

Lower Decks!

JoMiran,
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Lower Decks!

linux2647,

Lower Decks!

clay_pidgin,

Nine nine!

MindTraveller,

ACAB!

Zoot,
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Lower Decks!

AChiTenshi, in Kate Mulgrew told Rick Berman she wanted a gay character on the Voyager bridge

I think their are two bridge crew members where it could have been interesting if either was gay.

The first is Tovok. Having a Vulcan show its illogical to deny attraction to the same sex would be fun. The downside here is how reserved the character is, so it likely wouldn’t come up all that often in the show.

The second is Harry Kim. It would have been fun for him to be interested in Tom but Tom has no interest in him that way. We’d get a few episodes, may even a season of Harry pining for him before giving up and ending up best friends. Then we get Tom trying to set Harry up with people.

I don’t even think either of these would have changed things much overall.

andyburke,
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As a cishet white male who dislikes Voyager, I would absolutely have enjoyed a clueless straight Tom Paris trying to set gay Harry up.

Instead he turned into a fish and kidnapped Janeway to, and I will be very gracious to the writing staff here, have consensual offspring with her.

Why did I tell myself I needed to watch that show? Worst trek. 😢

Edit: Also, good on Kate Mulgrew for being way more Star Trek than most by advocating for inclusion. I do like Janeway.

echodot,

One of the reasons that Voyage’s writing is so terrible is because all of the good ideas got knocked back. For example the ship was supposed to get progressively more damaged over time, patched up with improvised repairs. That’s why the engineer was a Marquee, because they were used to having to do that sort of thing so they’d have experience that Starfleet engineers wouldn’t have. That’s why she was promoted over a Starfleet engineer. In the rewrite none of that comes through and it looks a bit pointless.

But they decided that was too expensive, so they didn’t do it. In all fairness to them with the special effects they had at the time, it would have been extremely expensive, but it would have made the show so much better.

HobbitFoot,

Yeah. They were supposed to have a year of hell. The best they could do was a two parter where everything went back to normal in the end.

concrete_baby,

Crew romance doesn’t play a big role in Voyager tbh, gay or not. The only proper relationship we see fleshed out is between B’Elanna and Tom Paris. We hear about Tuvok’s wife, Janeway’s fiance, and whatever that is between Seven and Chakotay.

It will be interesting to see Harry dating men but I don’t see a pairing on the bridge.

Steve,

Plenty of random lower deckers

princessnorah,
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‘Resolutions’ called, it wants to build up a relationship between Janeway and Chakotay and then throw it away never to be heard from again.

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks,

Tuvok has been with another man and didn’t want it to stop. I mean, it was a transporter accident, but still.

RavenFellBlade,
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JeffKerman1999,

Kill the transporter error

FordBeeblebrox,

Janeway did nothing wrong

feedum_sneedson, (edited )

I think they’d be more likely to say homosexuality is illogical and repress it. Could make an interesting plot point.

Versus “suppressing our emotions - the thing we do constantly which essentially defines our species - is illogical”. I really don’t see that making sense in universe.

T156,

I think they’d be more likely to say homosexuality is illogical and repress it. Could make an interesting plot point.

The converse is that making a specific distinction based on sexuality like that is also illogical in what is supposedly the enlightened 24th century Federation.

They’re not the ancients of the 21st century, who would be so concerned with such primitive things.

feedum_sneedson, (edited )

gay pon farr episode when

But I’m pretty sure Vulcans could get into a bit of hardcore repression of sexuality, only having sex for procreation kind of thing. Very in keeping with their characterisation!

model_tar_gz,

Dude, Harry and Tuvok were not just friends. They just don’t show what happens off shift in some obscure corner of the lower decks.

concrete_baby,

By ChatGPT:

Tuvok: Ensign Kim, your dedication to your duties is truly impressive. I must admit, I find myself looking forward to our conversations more than I expected.

Harry Kim: Thanks, Tuvok. Your guidance means a lot to me. There’s something about our talks that feels different. It’s like we’re on the same wavelength.

Tuvok: Indeed, Harry. I sense a connection between us that goes beyond our roles on this ship. It’s a puzzle that intrigues me.

Harry Kim: I feel it too, Tuvok. It’s like we have this unspoken understanding that’s hard to put into words. I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately.

Tuvok: Perhaps it’s time we acknowledge this connection and explore it further. How about we have dinner in the astrometrics lab tomorrow evening?

Harry Kim: I’d love that, Tuvok. I’ve been hoping for a chance to get to know you better outside of work. Tomorrow evening sounds perfect.

Tuvok: Excellent. I’m looking forward to it, Harry. The idea of spending more time together and unraveling this mysterious bond between us is quite appealing.

(They share a smile, their unspoken feelings now out in the open, as they finalize plans for their upcoming date in the secluded corner of the lower decks of the USS Voyager.)

Evil_Shrubbery, in ‘Star Trek: Lower Decks’ Creator Mike McMahan On Making His “Dream Animated” Series: “Five Years Later, It Still Feels Like A Miracle”

By geeks, for geeks.

Its fantastic.

FordBeeblebrox,

Every time I rewatch an episode I find another Easter egg, it really is Trek by and for Trekkies

EarMaster,

It’s like Futurama but in the Trek canon…

MindTraveller,

Nah, Futurama is pessimistic. A thousand years passed and nothing got better. Humans just found new ways to screw each other over and more aliens to hate. Lower Decks is based and hopepilled.

Klear,

Starfleet as fuck

aniki,

lower decks lower decks!

mckean,
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Sure. but still, final space deserves some credit.

Evil_Shrubbery,

It absolutely does, so epic & grand scale everything.

ValueSubtracted, in Dr. Pulaski Appreciation Post
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I’m pretty ambivalent about her, but I agree it was an interesting performance, particularly for a woman at that time in television.

She was horribly underused - it’s downright criminal that she doesn’t pay a significant role in “The Measure of a Man.”

Deebster,
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I watched that one last night and had the same thought - she’s been the face of nonacceptance towards Data and although Bruce Maddox is far more extreme in his views it seemed like a waste of her character building.

That said, they’d already shoehorned in a Guinan scene so I don’t know where they’d find the time.

milkisklim,

Could you please expand on what you mean by shoehorning in the Guinan scene? How would you handle it if you were the episode writer?

Edit: to be clear, I know what shoehorning is, I just want to know why you think it occured here.

Deebster,
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I was referring to this trivia:

Picard’s scene with Guinan was not in the original script. Melinda M. Snodgrass was told that they needed a “Ten-Forward” scene to accommodate Whoopi Goldberg coming in that week.

I took it as true, although I had a quick go at finding where this claim came from and am drawing a blank

MentallyExhausted,

I think that scene was necessary. “Disposable people” was a powerful summary of the issue.

milkisklim,

Interesting and cool if true. Thanks!

richieadler,

I think obvious that she would have sided with Maddox and disagreed with the ruling. I don’t think her capable of overcoming her prejudices against artificial life forms.

ThunderclapSasquatch,

Except she did. She even apologized to Data

xyguy,

I think that’s something that gets forgotten. Season 2 gets skipped through a lot during rewatches I know. All anyone remembers is her being racist to data.

She starts out mean to Data but she comes around by the end of the season. She is also a former lover of Kyle Riker, which could have made for a much more interesting dynamic for and with Riker if it had continued.

sk,

Agreed, probably one of the mellowest character, cool, calm and composed.

ValueSubtracted, in Star dates – is one day equal to 0,07 SD in TNG?
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I’m a big believer in “stardates are nonsense, and should remain nonsense,” but there were efforts made to standardize them in the '90s. They weren’t particularly consistent efforts, though. The full history can be found here.

In early TNG, this was the explanation:

A stardate is a five-digit number followed by a decimal point and one more digit. Example: “41254.7.” The first two digits of the stardate are always “41.” The 4 stands for 24th century, the 1 indicates first season. The additional three leading digits will progress unevenly during the course of the season from 000 to 999. The digit following the decimal point is generally regarded as a day counter.

By TNG season 6, they were going with:

A Stardate is a five-digit number followed by a decimal point and one more digit. Example: “46254.7”. The first two digits of the Stardate are “46.” The 4 stands for the 24th Century, the 6 indicates sixth season. The following three digits will progress consecutively during the course of the season from 000 to 999. The digit following the decimal point counts tenths of a day. Stardate 45254.4, therefore, represents the noon hour on the 254th “day” of the fifth season. Because Stardates in the 24th Century are based on a complex mathematical formula, a precise correlation to Earth-based dating systems is not possible.

PumpkinEscobar,

The headings / bearings they use are all over the place too, remember looking it up and it feels like the writers just picked whatever numbers best fit the flow / cadence of dialog they were looking for

KillingAndKindess,
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And they nailed it especially with Sir Patrick Stuart’s short monologues.

klemptor,

Not always. On DS9, when the Defiant was departing the station, the heading was given as 180 mark zero - meaning, traveling exactly backward from their current position. This made sense because when docked, the Defiant’s nose is buried in the docking ring.

PumpkinEscobar,

Yeah, some shows did have their own consistent-ish systems, but I think some shows used a system that seemed to be relative to the center of the solar system, others from the perspective of the ship (which makes more sense to me, like naval bearings) - memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Heading.

It was a quick lookup from a long time ago, I was working on a 3d space game and was curious if ST had a consistent model I could just use.

corvi,

I guess when you’re traveling around faster than the speed of light, time and date stop meaning the same thing as they do back home, so it stands to reason that you couldn’t map stardates to any standard calendar.

At least, that’s my new headcanon.

mosiacmango,

Stardates should be a standard calendar at least amongst themselves.

corvi,

I suppose it could go either way. That would be true if we see stardates as a universal system that applies anywhere and everywhere. If we instead imagine them to include encoded information about local space time, it makes sense that they might be inconsistent but always moving forward.

I am, of course, using “makes sense” extremely loosely here.

mercano,
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It also removes an emphasis on any one particular planet’s day or year.

wjrii,

Because Stardates in the 24th Century are based on a complex mathematical formula, a precise correlation to Earth-based dating systems is not possible.

Hand successfully waved.

Logh,

“4 stands for the 24th century” so… just a couple of centuries until another y2k style panic?

JackDark, in NPR: 'Star Trek: Discovery' ends as an underappreciated TV pioneer

the last few seasons of Discovery have been a bit bogged down by the stuff that has always made it a tough sell as a Trek series: overly ambitious, serialized storylines that aren’t compelling; new characters and environments that don’t impress; plot twists which can be maddening in their lack of logic; big storytelling swings which can be confusing and predictable at once.

Yeah, it’s not “underappreciated”. It’s just not very good for what many of us are expecting. I still haven’t gotten through season 3.

BananaTrifleViolin, (edited )

Yeah its just not a good show.

I just watched a scene where Michael and Mol were working together, then suddenly Michael decides to attack Mol, then they have a kung fu fight and finally Michael asks Mol stop and says she needs to trust her, as if Michael hadn’t just violently assaulted her. The writing is nonsensical.

Unfortunately that is symptomatic of the show as a whole and just one of many problems.

Also the constant deus ex machina, with the characters having a conversations where everyone finishes each others sentences. Its tiresome to watch. I really wanted to like the show but never could.

Jaccident, in Was it a good thing that SNW explicitly said the Federation is socialist?

As I am not American I grew up with socialism being a positive connotation in day to day culture, so much so it’s wild to me that this needed to be veiled in Trek’s past. Star Trek should be as explicit as possible with this. “Hey, you want Utopia? This is how you earn it!”

jimhensonslostpuppet,

Where are you if I may ask? And I think it may have been a dictate of Gene Roddenberry to not name which economic system won out, which is kind of a copout. But yeah it’s refreshing to see it called what it is finally

AdlachGyfiawn,
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Gene Roddenberry was a Maoist. Pretty sure this was a studio thing, not a Gene thing.

jimhensonslostpuppet,

He was a Maoist?

AdlachGyfiawn,
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According to his wife Majel, yes.

jimhensonslostpuppet,

Where did you read this?

AdlachGyfiawn,
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I admit I’m having trouble finding any transcript of the primary source. It’s supposedly an answer she gave during a local convention and it’s been repeated by enough websites citing each other that I don’t know which one was the original.

jimhensonslostpuppet,

Yeah I doubt it personally, it doesn’t seem to match anything ever reflected in Star Trek.

Jaccident,

British. Specifically Scottish.

jimhensonslostpuppet,

Ah yeah socialism I guess is a less dirty word in those parts.

The_Picard_Maneuver, in The Conscience of the Wig
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This is hilarious. Also, did they just have half the cast in wigs?

FartsWithAnAccent,
@FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io avatar

Yeah, there are a surprising amount of wigs in play here.

hopesdead,
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Especially Koenig?

EarMaster,

This is often done for consistency. Especially (although I have to admit that does not apply to TOS) when also heavy makeup or prosthetics are applied.

jimternet,

In the 90s series too, especially the women.

In Voyager, every main cast member is wigged to some extent, even if just false sideburns. Except apparently the Doctor who grew his own pointy sideburns and was clearly not bewigged on top.

Robert Picardo talked about this on I think a podcast I listened to several years ago, so sadly I can’t link to the source as I don’t recall where it was.

aniki, in Finally, fans are getting what they've been demanding for years, a crossover event between the Kelvinverse and... World of Tanks

nothing says starfleet like tank warfare.

ValueSubtracted,
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bionicjoey,

Truly representative of an enlightened and fundamentally peaceful society

SkybreakerEngineer,

You know, there actually is a book series about AI tanks that ponder things like human nature in a very Star Trek way.

Of course, they also ponder the optimal use of large numbers of missiles too

aniki,

you can’t just tickle my butthole like that and nto tell me what the name of the series is!

CarbonIceDragon,
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sounds like Bolo

MentallyExhausted,

The awesome computer game from the 90s?

SkaveRat,

now I’m curious

Grabthar,

Bolos?

thegreekgeek,
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BOLOS!

bionicjoey,

Marco!

morriscox,

The Bolo series by Keith Laumer?

ShepherdPie,

It’s such a hilariously terrible idea. I’ve watched through all the series and movies and can’t even recall ever seeing a single rover in any one of them. What need is there for a rover when you have shuttlecraft and transporter technology?

ValueSubtracted,
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cybervseas, in Star Trek Coffees Launching In May With Several Blends

What a total miss. Picard needed a tea blend and they should have launched with Janeway’s coffee.

I’m. I. Why??

Blackout,
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For real! I want coffee that makes my eyes do this:

clacksee,
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@Blackout @cybervseas @ValueSubtracted
I don't know. That expression looks like surprise to me. I'm not sure I want my morning coffee to surprise me.

Teal,

And Tuvix could be a limited availability blend. ☕️

Indy, in Do I Need to Watch Discovery To Enjoy SNW?
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I don’t think you need to watch Discovery to enjoy Strange New Worlds. There might be a few things established in the lore/backstory from Discovery, but any “confusion” from those references will quickly dissipate. SNW makes it easy to see it as a distinct show in a new/expanded telling of a known crew/time.

I will add that there will be stylistic choices in the production that will take a little getting used to, but remember that just about every Star Trek show has done this. Enjoy the story!

canis_majoris, in Anson Mount (‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’): ‘We’re feeling even more emboldened’ to take ‘even bigger swings’
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SNW rocks. I’ll follow Pike and the crew anywhere.

Crackhappy,
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I’d follow that hair anywhere.

ValueSubtracted, in Me at age six, at Star Trek: The Experience
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Are you the one on the left or the right?

hopesdead,
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Sarcasm?

ValueSubtracted,
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hopesdead,
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I don’t understand these replies.

ValueSubtracted,
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Yes, it was sarcasm, and Riker smiles upon you.

hopesdead,
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