I didn’t think she’s gay, probably more pansexual. She had a pretty weird upbringing, if you’ll recall, so her sexuality is more like “gender is irrelevant.”
The episode that really nailed down what a talented actor Jeri Ryan is was the time she had all those assimilated personalities surface and was switching back and forth rapidly, and the bit where the Doctor “took over” her body when they were in prison.
Both times, it was absolutely believable that someone else was at the wheel, and “Seven” wasn’t there.
While I absolutely do not want to defend Rick Berman, I also think it’s important to acknowledge that his brand of assholishness was not unique (and, frankly, still isn’t).
Let’s be honest: at this point, they could make the greatest Star Trek film of all time, and it would only be 1/47 as entertaining as watching the executives at Paramount Pictures stepping on infinite rakes in infinite combinations as they try to make the damn thing.
I think their are two bridge crew members where it could have been interesting if either was gay.
The first is Tovok. Having a Vulcan show its illogical to deny attraction to the same sex would be fun. The downside here is how reserved the character is, so it likely wouldn’t come up all that often in the show.
The second is Harry Kim. It would have been fun for him to be interested in Tom but Tom has no interest in him that way. We’d get a few episodes, may even a season of Harry pining for him before giving up and ending up best friends. Then we get Tom trying to set Harry up with people.
I don’t even think either of these would have changed things much overall.
One of the reasons that Voyage’s writing is so terrible is because all of the good ideas got knocked back. For example the ship was supposed to get progressively more damaged over time, patched up with improvised repairs. That’s why the engineer was a Marquee, because they were used to having to do that sort of thing so they’d have experience that Starfleet engineers wouldn’t have. That’s why she was promoted over a Starfleet engineer. In the rewrite none of that comes through and it looks a bit pointless.
But they decided that was too expensive, so they didn’t do it. In all fairness to them with the special effects they had at the time, it would have been extremely expensive, but it would have made the show so much better.
Crew romance doesn’t play a big role in Voyager tbh, gay or not. The only proper relationship we see fleshed out is between B’Elanna and Tom Paris. We hear about Tuvok’s wife, Janeway’s fiance, and whatever that is between Seven and Chakotay.
It will be interesting to see Harry dating men but I don’t see a pairing on the bridge.
I think they’d be more likely to say homosexuality is illogical and repress it. Could make an interesting plot point.
Versus “suppressing our emotions - the thing we do constantly which essentially defines our species - is illogical”. I really don’t see that making sense in universe.
I think they’d be more likely to say homosexuality is illogical and repress it. Could make an interesting plot point.
The converse is that making a specific distinction based on sexuality like that is also illogical in what is supposedly the enlightened 24th century Federation.
They’re not the ancients of the 21st century, who would be so concerned with such primitive things.
But I’m pretty sure Vulcans could get into a bit of hardcore repression of sexuality, only having sex for procreation kind of thing. Very in keeping with their characterisation!
Tuvok: Ensign Kim, your dedication to your duties is truly impressive. I must admit, I find myself looking forward to our conversations more than I expected.
Harry Kim: Thanks, Tuvok. Your guidance means a lot to me. There’s something about our talks that feels different. It’s like we’re on the same wavelength.
Tuvok: Indeed, Harry. I sense a connection between us that goes beyond our roles on this ship. It’s a puzzle that intrigues me.
Harry Kim: I feel it too, Tuvok. It’s like we have this unspoken understanding that’s hard to put into words. I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately.
Tuvok: Perhaps it’s time we acknowledge this connection and explore it further. How about we have dinner in the astrometrics lab tomorrow evening?
Harry Kim: I’d love that, Tuvok. I’ve been hoping for a chance to get to know you better outside of work. Tomorrow evening sounds perfect.
Tuvok: Excellent. I’m looking forward to it, Harry. The idea of spending more time together and unraveling this mysterious bond between us is quite appealing.
(They share a smile, their unspoken feelings now out in the open, as they finalize plans for their upcoming date in the secluded corner of the lower decks of the USS Voyager.)
Nah, Futurama is pessimistic. A thousand years passed and nothing got better. Humans just found new ways to screw each other over and more aliens to hate. Lower Decks is based and hopepilled.
I watched that one last night and had the same thought - she’s been the face of nonacceptance towards Data and although Bruce Maddox is far more extreme in his views it seemed like a waste of her character building.
That said, they’d already shoehorned in a Guinan scene so I don’t know where they’d find the time.
Picard’s scene with Guinan was not in the original script. Melinda M. Snodgrass was told that they needed a “Ten-Forward” scene to accommodate Whoopi Goldberg coming in that week.
I took it as true, although I had a quick go at finding where this claim came from and am drawing a blank
I think obvious that she would have sided with Maddox and disagreed with the ruling. I don’t think her capable of overcoming her prejudices against artificial life forms.
I think that’s something that gets forgotten. Season 2 gets skipped through a lot during rewatches I know. All anyone remembers is her being racist to data.
She starts out mean to Data but she comes around by the end of the season. She is also a former lover of Kyle Riker, which could have made for a much more interesting dynamic for and with Riker if it had continued.
I’m a big believer in “stardates are nonsense, and should remain nonsense,” but there were efforts made to standardize them in the '90s. They weren’t particularly consistent efforts, though. The full history can be found here.
In early TNG, this was the explanation:
A stardate is a five-digit number followed by a decimal point and one more digit. Example: “41254.7.” The first two digits of the stardate are always “41.” The 4 stands for 24th century, the 1 indicates first season. The additional three leading digits will progress unevenly during the course of the season from 000 to 999. The digit following the decimal point is generally regarded as a day counter.
By TNG season 6, they were going with:
A Stardate is a five-digit number followed by a decimal point and one more digit. Example: “46254.7”. The first two digits of the Stardate are “46.” The 4 stands for the 24th Century, the 6 indicates sixth season. The following three digits will progress consecutively during the course of the season from 000 to 999. The digit following the decimal point counts tenths of a day. Stardate 45254.4, therefore, represents the noon hour on the 254th “day” of the fifth season. Because Stardates in the 24th Century are based on a complex mathematical formula, a precise correlation to Earth-based dating systems is not possible.
The headings / bearings they use are all over the place too, remember looking it up and it feels like the writers just picked whatever numbers best fit the flow / cadence of dialog they were looking for
Not always. On DS9, when the Defiant was departing the station, the heading was given as 180 mark zero - meaning, traveling exactly backward from their current position. This made sense because when docked, the Defiant’s nose is buried in the docking ring.
Yeah, some shows did have their own consistent-ish systems, but I think some shows used a system that seemed to be relative to the center of the solar system, others from the perspective of the ship (which makes more sense to me, like naval bearings) - memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Heading.
It was a quick lookup from a long time ago, I was working on a 3d space game and was curious if ST had a consistent model I could just use.
I guess when you’re traveling around faster than the speed of light, time and date stop meaning the same thing as they do back home, so it stands to reason that you couldn’t map stardates to any standard calendar.
I suppose it could go either way. That would be true if we see stardates as a universal system that applies anywhere and everywhere. If we instead imagine them to include encoded information about local space time, it makes sense that they might be inconsistent but always moving forward.
I am, of course, using “makes sense” extremely loosely here.
Because Stardates in the 24th Century are based on a complex mathematical formula, a precise correlation to Earth-based dating systems is not possible.
the last few seasons of Discovery have been a bit bogged down by the stuff that has always made it a tough sell as a Trek series: overly ambitious, serialized storylines that aren’t compelling; new characters and environments that don’t impress; plot twists which can be maddening in their lack of logic; big storytelling swings which can be confusing and predictable at once.
Yeah, it’s not “underappreciated”. It’s just not very good for what many of us are expecting. I still haven’t gotten through season 3.
I just watched a scene where Michael and Mol were working together, then suddenly Michael decides to attack Mol, then they have a kung fu fight and finally Michael asks Mol stop and says she needs to trust her, as if Michael hadn’t just violently assaulted her. The writing is nonsensical.
Unfortunately that is symptomatic of the show as a whole and just one of many problems.
Also the constant deus ex machina, with the characters having a conversations where everyone finishes each others sentences. Its tiresome to watch. I really wanted to like the show but never could.
As I am not American I grew up with socialism being a positive connotation in day to day culture, so much so it’s wild to me that this needed to be veiled in Trek’s past. Star Trek should be as explicit as possible with this. “Hey, you want Utopia? This is how you earn it!”
Where are you if I may ask? And I think it may have been a dictate of Gene Roddenberry to not name which economic system won out, which is kind of a copout. But yeah it’s refreshing to see it called what it is finally
I admit I’m having trouble finding any transcript of the primary source. It’s supposedly an answer she gave during a local convention and it’s been repeated by enough websites citing each other that I don’t know which one was the original.
This is often done for consistency. Especially (although I have to admit that does not apply to TOS) when also heavy makeup or prosthetics are applied.
In Voyager, every main cast member is wigged to some extent, even if just false sideburns. Except apparently the Doctor who grew his own pointy sideburns and was clearly not bewigged on top.
Robert Picardo talked about this on I think a podcast I listened to several years ago, so sadly I can’t link to the source as I don’t recall where it was.
It’s such a hilariously terrible idea. I’ve watched through all the series and movies and can’t even recall ever seeing a single rover in any one of them. What need is there for a rover when you have shuttlecraft and transporter technology?
I don’t think you need to watch Discovery to enjoy Strange New Worlds. There might be a few things established in the lore/backstory from Discovery, but any “confusion” from those references will quickly dissipate. SNW makes it easy to see it as a distinct show in a new/expanded telling of a known crew/time.
I will add that there will be stylistic choices in the production that will take a little getting used to, but remember that just about every Star Trek show has done this. Enjoy the story!
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