Israel dismisses any and all criticism, and always complains about medieval history as an ad hominem attack. Turkey complains about Israel killing Turkish civilians? Israel replies something about Turkey mistreating Armenians. German government complains about mistreatment of Palestinians? Call them modern Nazis. Now Spain gets derided as something from nearly 600 years ago.
The Armenian genocide wasn’t that long ago, it happened during my grandmother’s lifetime, and the current leader of Turkey still denies it was a genocide. But bringing up the Spanish inquisition in 2024 is wack.
Yeah, I get that. I just wanted to clarify that it was a lot more recent than the middle ages, especially with how much genocide denial has been attempting to minimize those atrocities lately.
Yeah and if they start attacking NATO countries it’s going to end badly for them. The US will drop support like a hot rock. They really won’t like it I’m sure, but they are not going to back Israel over NATO, it’s just not happening.
Do you mean that oopsie with the USS Liberty? That kind of thing happens occasionally but cooler heads prevail as long as everyone communicates. There was also an incident when a Turkish f-16 (Turkey being a NATO member) shot down a Russian su-24, but nobody went to war over it.
Yes I’m just saying that if the sides (even if they are enemies like Russia/NATO) are not interested in going to war, they will tolerate isolated incidents. even with casualties. This isn’t something unique to the america-israel relationship
Yeah, not a conflict. And so long ago that the current political situation is totally different.
The US wouldn’t have a choice, if Israel attacks a NATO country then it’s article 5 automatically. Then their only option would be to leave NATO and they’re not going to do that.
Okay man. Note that nowhere in the comment chain before you decided to chime in did anyone say conflict. And as far as I know, an attack is an attack and it usually warrants retaliation. But Israel gets unlimited oopsies, lord forbid that Egypt or Lebanon does this, it’s immediately casus belli if the current governments aren’t friendly.
I don’t know anyone outside of the political class and a few right wing nutters that supports israel, especially after the images coming out of rafah in the last few days
edit: even my daily heil reading “shoot em in the channel” relative was perturbed
I absolutely support the right of Israel to exist and defend itself against Hamas. I just don’t think that this sanctions the bombing of innocent Palestinians in Gaza or to pursue an aggressive settlement policy.
I am in favor of Israel.
I am strongly opposed to Netanyahu. Fuck that guy and his entire government.
It would have been harder to support Ukraine if they went and killed thousands of innocent Russian before being aggressed by Russia. But they didn’t.
Most of the west do support the right for Israel to defend itself from such attack, but there is no doubt that Israel went way to far with their riposte. No matter if the Hamas uses the Palestinian as meat shield, Israel made so many “mistakes” and killed so many innocents that it should have asked long ago for the UN to intervene in their place to avoid further unnecessarily killing.
No they really are hateful people, they are just using this as an excuse to kill people they hate, it’s not a mistake they’re meaning to do this. They were never going to ask the UN to intervene because that would have robbed them of the opportunity to commit mass slaughter.
You’re wrong. Palestinians have a right to defend themselves, but they’re being oppressed and genocided for decades and no one gives a shit. Israel doesn’t have ANY rights.
I never denied Palestinians right to defend themselves. They are oppressed by an apartheid-like regime (no matter how democratic it is), and have every right to denounce that. But I can’t either blame the Israeli to try to defend themselves when Hamas goes and assassinate men women and children in cold blood. No amount of oppression can justify this kind of violence.
And now we got Hamas hiding behind the starving Palestinian population, while Israel indiscriminately bomb everyone with no care for their safety.
In the end we have two evil fighting each other, while the general populace (especially Palestinian) suffers. I can’t support either, best I can is to support ending this senseless war to allow those who suffers to rebuild and seek a peaceful solution that bring everyone together as equals. There was multiple time in history where we were quite close to a solution, but every time, extremist of both side went and fucked everything over.
A 26-year-old lecturer in architecture at Birmingham City University, Iskandarani has been stateless for most of her life, possessing only a Lebanese travel document that defines her as a Palestinian refugee.
But after discovering that her Palestinian father had Jewish roots going back to Spain, Iskandarani was able to claim Spanish citizenship thanks to a 2015 law that promised to naturalize anyone whose Jewish ancestors fled the Spanish Inquisition.
“Absurdly our conversion to Islam got us exiled from Jaffa yet again for again being of different religion and ethnicity,” she wrote. “Quite ironic don’t you think being exiled twice for the exact same reason?”
Israel is making life very dangerous for Jews the rest of the world over, including myself. They want to make it sound like all Jews are Israelis because it helps their cause. Which, of course, suggests that all Jews favor genocide and that emboldens bigots.
And here we go again. Spain isn’t persecuting Jews.
On September 11, some Saudis attacked the World Trade Centre. America retaliated by going to war with Afghanistan, found they had nothing of value, and then Rumsfeld said since Iraq has oil, they should go after them instead. The unprovoked attack and illegal war that still, to this day, has had zero repurcussions against Bush, Blair and the rest who started it, and caused individuals from militant faction groups to rise up and attack those nations in the form of terrorist attacks, perpetuating a cycle of hate and loss.
More than twenty years later, uneducated people still fail to see the distinction between individual terrorists and an entire people who follow Islam. Islamophobia is on the rise right now simply because people are protesting the war in Gaza, and still equating those protesters to the terrorism from years prior.
I say all this because I can see how hate, and in your case, antisemitism lingers. Your actions are not that of the IDF, your words are not the same as aggrevators like Ben Gvir and your policies are not the same as Netenyahu’s, but because you’re Jewish, those things are all the same now in the eyes of many uneducated people.
It was the same with idiots attacking random (elderly!?) Chinese civilians on the street as a result of COVID lockdowns. The blame lies chiefly with the media and its incendiary bias towards all things that don’t align with their backward views, and allowing people like Trump to stand on a podium and address millions of people with lies and baseless claims.
What happened to Muslims in America after 9/11 was disgusting and sickening and I felt so terrible for them when it happened and still do, which is why I know that this bigotry is unlikely to be coming from them. They know what it’s like.
Has there been an increase in attacks on random Jews? This is a fascist talking point to shut down protests. The rabi at our state college for that one Hasidic organization (the tunnel controversy one) was spouting this nonsense.
Yes there has. It is not just a fascist talking point. However, I know how this goes. I provide examples and they aren’t good enough because there’s never enough examples to prove that there are people out there who might possibly use legitimate anti-Israel sentiment to embolden bigots when I give them.
I found this article, but they define attacks as using antisemetic language, including attacking Zionism. It also states that “attacks” have been on the rise for the past few years. I didn’t believe that the Jewish population is at a higher risk on being injured or killed based on these statistics.
When did I say anything about being injured or killed? If you don’t know how awful it is to be personally attacked by a bigot for just being who you are, congratulations on being privileged.
But like I said, there is pretty much nothing I could possibly say to convince some people that Israel helps foment anti-Jewish sentiment.
There are some people I cannot convince that there is any antisemitism at all, which is its own form of bigotry.
You said they were making life"dangerous." Since when does having your feelings hurt put you in danger? I’ve definitely had my fair share of altercations. I’ve been called the n word, even though I’m white, a homosexual, you name it. In experience people will find anything to take a dig at you to piss you off. It’s just easy to use your religion to make you mad. It doesn’t mean the person is actually antisemetic, they’re just being an asshole.
Again, you must have the privilege of never having been attacked by a bigot. You don’t actually know whether or not they’re going to hurt you after they tell you something like how you killed Jesus. The more bigotry, the more chance of violence.
I can’t believe this needs to be explained to you. It’s like you don’t even know what bigotry is.
It’s no different than calling someone fat, someone with glasses four eyes, a bald man chrome dome, a woman a bitch/cunt , a homosexual a baguette, etc. Criticizing a fascist religion and a country is perfectly fine. I would gladly call a Hasidic/southern Baptist/Mormon/Catholic/Saudi a cousin fucker.
Cults use fear and isolation to control their members, which is why there are unique DNA markers for Jews. Jewish DNA is simply Mediterranean and Mediterranean ancestry developed in relative isolation for centuries, a practice that continues to this day.
Interesting how you only responded to the very last thing I said with a silly opinion (do you think the Nazis knew about DNA?) and didn’t say a damn thing about all the violent acts I pasted that you claimed weren’t happening.
I think it is becoming more and more clear that this is about you feeling your own bigoted beliefs are justifiable.
Remember all the fruitcakes saying a secret cabal of Jews runs the world? Israel is surely pumping them up and their outside influence on our politicians is making it look even worse.
That’s definitely true. I’ve seen those fruitcakes get more emboldened lately in various online discussions.
But not even them. There is bigotry from people who don’t even realize it, people who would hate the idea that they were saying something bigoted… but they still will say “Jews” when they mean “Israel” and that is mostly Israel’s fault. And it’s those people who can be swayed by the fruitcakes because of that. Suddenly Israel isn’t the enemy, Jews are. And there are Jews everywhere. And some of them are rich and powerful.
I’ll say it once, I’ll say it again, Hamas played the whole damn world like fucking puppets with one attack.
I’d be absolutely shocked if the actual leaders that planned the attack are in the strip. Now any Palestenians that might have been against Hamas in the strip are stuck fighting a nuclear power in full “us vs them” mentality, Israel reacted exactly how Israel does any time it has been attacked, which is with overwhelming and vicious force now putting the country doing monstrous actions against civilians going for what looks like a full genocide, your exact point on a rival religion suddenly now giving a lot of voice to the conspiracy theories, it has created an even bigger divide in the US (but then again what doesn’t anymore) and Saudi Arabia who was working on deals with Israel has backed all the fucking way off and NATO is sitting there awkwardly trying to decide exactly where on the line it wants to walk seeing as the US can’t bring itself to go against Israel while Russia is rather uppity at the moment.
Taking away any conversation on ethics, which is nearly impossible… I just can’t believe these leaders are this fucking short sighted.
I legitimately worry Israel being genocidal maniacs will lead to a wave of antisemitism, similarly to how Covid-19 having alleged Chinese origins lead to a lot of Anti-Asian crime in America.
“Will”? It has already been happening for quite a while. I know at least two people who confuse Israel with Judaism, and as a result have become antisemitic. One of them is my grandmother.
In all honesty, I don’t think Israel has the manpower to completely wipe out Hamas even if they wanted to, unless they kill or expulse all Gazans. Gaza has plenty of places to hide, even moreso nowadays with all the rubble, and they have guaranteed that even the Palestinians who for one reason hated Hamas will now hate the IDF even more.
When Israel declares that they have completely wiped out Hamas in a specific area, then Hamas immediately attacks them back from the zone they had supposedly been wiped out from, it’s difficult to explain it with anything other than incapability, because you’re setting up a situation where your own population is going to distrust what you tell them.
Netanyahu is incredibly lucky to have the US support him no matter what he does.
There is no “defeating Hamas” at this point. Even if they kill very single current Hamas fighter, the traumatized children whose world they have just destroyed will grow up in squalor and be full of hate . Their choice is to complete the genocide and wipe out Palestinians completely (the only true final solution), or to accept that they’ll be fighting the same war in 12-15 years.
Weird just a few days earlier they said Spain should look to the time of Muslim rule in southern Spain for atrocities against Jews. Which there weren’t Jewish people and culture prospered under the Muslim rule and then got pogromed when the Christians took back over. Now they refer to exactly that.
It is weird that Israel is hellbent not only on revisionism for its own history, but other peoples history too. Or rather it is pretty straight forward as Israel is a fascist colonial entity and shares its interest in revisionism with the Nazis and other colonial genociders.
The US isn’t the original coloniser. Ghengis Khan did a bloody good job 900 years ago. Alexander the Great was Over 2000 years ago. The US is just shy of 250 years old. So how the fuck is the US the OG (Original gangster)…
I guess your history knowledge is pretty pethetic… Either that or you don’t know what the terms you’re using means
Enraging yourself because you don’t have the mental capacity is hilarious. History didn’t start 250 years ago with the US. If you had a proper well-rounded education you might understand that.
I suggest you go read a book within your ability. Try “Spot the dog goes to school”. It.might be a little advanced for you but you can lift the flaps.
No one will ever take you seriously if this is your way of responding to anything. I appreciate you might have some passion about it, but resorting to insults isn’t going to strengthen your argument. Besides that, you don’t listen and get stuck on a loop like a broken record.
Clearly you do. You can’t help your impulsive self. I bet you’re stewing in front of your phone/computer taking it out on anyone unfortunate to be around you.
O.G. Original Gangster is the fourth studio album by American rapper Ice-T, released May 14, 1991, by Sire Records. Recording took place from July 1990 to January 1991 in Los Angeles.
The Catholic kings finish conquering the last bastion of Muslims in Iberia, and immediately next they tell all Muslims and Jews to either convert to Christianity or to flee the peninsula, because they aren’t going to like what’s planned for them next. A very different ruler in Europe welcomed them, however:
Basically, the Turks managed to help Constantinople regain some of the economic importance it had gained during the centuries of collapse of the Byzantine Empire because they welcomed Jewish artisans that had been kicked out of Iberia.
This isn’t the funniest bit so far, the funniest bit is that Netanyahu’s is now meeting with Spain’s far-right, the party that attracts real antisemites. Of course, they are truly anti-semitic, as in hating anything recognizably brown enough and not just colozioniolists changing names from Mileikowsky to Netanyahu, so I’m sure they would love a repeat of the Haavara Agreement anyway with a leader they clearly share a lot of values with.
In Spain antisemitism is rampant left and right, that's why the government (Socialist Party) has done this. Make no mistake, this is not solidarity or justice or shit, just a smoke screen so their voters forget about the cost of living, housing, unemployment.. and all the hard-to-solve pressing issues they don't want to do anything about.
But … they do want you to think about it. Spanish politicians talk about that stuff all the time and some party platforms run on it. Spanish Congress is literally voting on housing laws as you comment and there’s heated debate between coalition members on unemployment measures as well. Are you sure they are the ones throwing smoke screens or could the source be closer to home?
I mean, it sounds like you are informed, so you should know that the current government is leading only through a coalition of different parties that are barely a majority, so they have to talk.
The opposition parties don’t mind DoS’ing Spain (just look at the expired Supreme Court that has still to be renewed) just to create unrest. The only opposition who tags along are those that don’t want to see society dragged along for political maneuvering.
I try to avoid the news as much as I can, for my mental health's sake, but something permeates
you should know that the current government is leading only through a coalition of different parties that are barely a majority
That's how it usually goes in Spain
The opposition parties don't mind DoS'ing Spain (just look at the expired Supreme Court that has still to be renewed) just to create unrest. The only opposition who tags along are those that don't want to see society dragged along for political maneuvering.
And somehow when the current opposition has been the ruling party they could do all kind of things, fascist things that fucked us all over but they were perfectly able to do as they pleased, but the "left" (this "Socialist" party is a monarchist party!) seems unable to even undo a little of the damage.
You do sound well informed, so before you mention the work reform, which was surprisingly good, that I have the unshakable feeling was a mistake on their part. It was meant to NOT pass, but this one fash fucked up his vote and it went through. I don't think the psoe (and maybe podemos, who knows) wanted that reform, they just thought it would be good pr.
Comparing the current ruling party in Spain with the inquisition is specially ironic, if you know that they voted in favor of granting the descendants of the Sephardic Jews expelled by the Inquisition the Spanish nationality if they applied for it, less than 10 years ago.
If anything, you could argue that this created an Islamophobic or Pro-Jewish double standard, since the descendants of Muslims expelled by the inquisition weren’t granted that right.
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