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Grass, to politics in Are Arabs in Michigan Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump? In a Word: Yes.

Should have very strictly regulated the forever chemicals and micro plastics multiple decades ago. People are so inexplicably stupid and deranged that it has to be the chemicals.

DessertStorms, to science in New England stone walls lie at the intersection of history, archaeology, ecology and geoscience, and deserve a science of their own
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

New England stone walls lie at the intersection of history, archaeology, ecology and geoscience

Also, cinema

apis, to science in New England stone walls lie at the intersection of history, archaeology, ecology and geoscience, and deserve a science of their own

Forgot to ramble earlier, so have this scant link instead.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_stone#Dry_stone_walls

Track_Shovel, to science in New England stone walls lie at the intersection of history, archaeology, ecology and geoscience, and deserve a science of their own

This is actually a really cool article. I did my MSC on a pile of dirt, so maybe it’s just me. Anyway, I like how he gets at how these walls act as a geomorphological feature on the landscape and from there, influence biota. The bit about mammals using the walls is cool, because in restoration and land reclamation we use artificial refuges (rock piles, bat boxes) to encourage animals back to the reclaimed landscape

LallyLuckFarm,

Not just you, I thought it was engaging and interesting as well. The comment about artificial refuges really strikes a chord as well, and I would add man made brush piles to the list of reclamation structures for encouraging animal resurgence.

Also, I’m excited that I might be able to describe the various rock structures on our parcel with greater scientific rigor.

Track_Shovel,

Yes, that’s right - brush piles and windrows of waste wood (from logging) are used to recreate habitat. Cowan et al 2011 (and 2012?; maybe they’re 2021/2022 respectively, I forget) has some great papers on how artificial refuges need to be constructed properly, otherwise they’re unused, or can serve as predator traps. I have the papers somewhere, though I had to request one from him.

If you’re interested, DM me and I’ll send them to you; it will require some digging, and I’m busy today, so I warn you turnaround might be slower than I’d like.

Zaktor, to politics in Are Arabs in Michigan Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump? In a Word: Yes.

Are Establishment Democrats Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump Rather Than Listen to Their Constituents? In a Word: Yes.

apis, to science in New England stone walls lie at the intersection of history, archaeology, ecology and geoscience, and deserve a science of their own

Looking forward to a photographic journal of learning to build similar walls on LallyLuckFarm.

You know it is going to happen.

LallyLuckFarm,

Hah it was killer doing a first course of stone for a slope stabilization project but I’ll see what I can do bee fingerguns emoji

I wonder if the neighbors would let me borrow their horse…

Socsa, to world in Farmers warn food aisles will soon be empty because of crushing conditions: 'We are not in a good position'

Good thing they are part of a massive single market which can absorb regional disasters oh wait.

HarbingerOfTomb, to politics in Are Arabs in Michigan Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump? In a Word: Yes.

Sure, that’ll teach him

Windhover,

Teaching a lesson is probably the most mindlessly stupid impulse of the age.

HuntressHimbo, to politics in Are Arabs in Michigan Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump? In a Word: Yes.

I mean my coworkers families are in danger today, why would you expect them to give a shit about an election six months away when they might get the call to find out they don’t have relatives tomorrow.

homesweethomeMrL,

Because they’ll still exist tomorrow, and the not-having-relatives-danger only increases by supporting the republiQan?

Is this really that difficult to understand? Using this watershed election as an entry-point to understanding how national politics and foreign relations work (or don’t work) is not only irresponsible, it’s tragic timing. Perfect timing for russia tho. Coincidentally.

HuntressHimbo,

Please explain how electing a Republican in 6 months could possibly lower their families chances tomorrow. People not pressuring Biden are telling them don’t worry six months from now you can keep things exactly as bad for your family as they are now, but if you don’t we promise it will get even worse.

0 opportunity to improve things and a fat chance to make them worse, gee I wonder why they’re not sold. Dead is dead, and we are asking them to give us six months of waiting on the off chance that things would be worse the other way.

Riccosuave, (edited )
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

I’m going to keep it 💯 with you. Those people are in danger no matter who is in office because Israel is hellbent on commiting genocide, and the United States is strategically aligned with Israel. That isn’t going to change in the immediate term no matter what delusions you or anyone else might have.

What will get A LOT fucking worse is the future for everyone in the United States that is not part of the oligarchy if Donald Trump gets back in office. There won’t be any chance to make reforms, or change US foreign policy. Anybody that isn’t white, upper class, or a collaborator is going to become a second class citizen.

So it is time to decide whether you are going to support the party that is going to preserve democracy, or if you are going to doom this country because you want everyone to identify with the suffering of those in Gaza. Either way, Gaza will be in the same position that it is in right now. All we are discussing is whether we are going to doom millions more people along with them.

Shyfer,

Or Biden could change course? He’s got time and the ramping up of pressure against him will hopefully reach a fever pitch that he’ll have no choice but to do so. If not, then he really likes Israel more than he likes democracy, and it’s as much his fault as it is the people who refuse to vote for the guy who’s killing their family members.

Zaktor,

It’s really weird how people have seen the ramping up in pressure cause him to change course and then just decide that’s the limit, and further pressure will be ineffective.

homesweethomeMrL,

Please explain how electing a Republican in 6 months could possibly lower their families chances tomorrow.

Certainly. The republiQan party’s ties to the Netanyahu right-wing government are much stronger and more aligned. They also wish to wipe out the population of Palestine and take their land. The Democratic party does not align with those goals.

That’s how they could lower their familie’s chances. Does that make sense?

HuntressHimbo,

No, because you are still failing to address the time aspect. Tomorrow, as in 6 months before the elections.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

It doesn’t. This is our american bed. Lay in it. This is what happens when lobbyists and affluent people are allowed to place hundreds of millions of free speech into the pockets of politicians. This is what happens when religion and government mix, even slightly. The only chance those people have of America ending support tomorrow is a violent uprising that would most likely make everything worse for every American. Pick your poison, they all cause death.

Shyfer,

Wow, what agreat sales pitch to encourage people to vote for the guy who’s killing their family members…

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Go ahead and bury your head in the sand then. You know what? Just go vote for Trump. You’ll love it.

Shyfer,

I’m definitely not voting for Trump. I live in a blue state where my vote doesn’t matter anyway. I’m just saying, you guys aren’t helping as much as you think you are. Look at it from their point of view. They’re not thinking rationally, and honestly, I don’t expect them to. It’s an emotionally charged situation when people you know or people like you are being genocided. The effort would be better spent trying to force Biden to change tactics on supporting Israel before election day.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Oh believe me I did the uncommitted thing too. There are just other remedies than voting for Trump and fucking all of us.

Zaktor,

If the choice is between just them being fucked and everyone being fucked, there’s plenty of people who would choose the latter, especially if that threat could potentially be used to reduce their fucking. Maybe just try to do something to help people whose families are dying instead of pleading for them to think of you?

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

“That shit over there is killing my family, let me bring it to where I live.”

Zaktor,

a) That you need to enhance a Trump victory to him bombing US cities has to induce some minimal recognition that you’re going far off course.

b) That you think people wouldn’t risk their lives to save their family really speaks to how dumb it is to stick your head into their business. It’s just a hypothetical in a game theory thought argument to you, not actual people.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

That b point sounds like a wild assumption. Israel is ruled by a right wing extremist party. Can you see how we don’t want a right wing extremist party to take control here? That’s the relation. No game theory hypothetical.

Zaktor,

The right wing party is killing people outside of Israel. Most Israelis are perfect fine with the bloodshed, just as most Americans were happy with our decades of war and drone strikes. And you’re still not approaching this as if real people these voters loved are being killed right now because of Biden’s policy choices. It’s not an assumption, it’s evident in how flippant you are about them just letting it go.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Still making assumptions, still no reason to bring the dictatorship home.

homesweethomeMrL,

Yeah there aren’t any US Presidential elections before November, that I’m aware of anyway.

I mean after six months is a kind of tomorrow, it’s just not literally tomorrow. Using the election to press a point is not really relevant if we’re not talking about the election though. We’d otherwise just agree.

Zaktor,

They want him to change NOW. Not six months from now after he’s elected. NOW. The electoral threat is meant to cause current changes.

Threatening to vote against a politician is really the only leverage voters have, and it’s not like they just wait until the week of an election to demand things. “If you don’t do this, I won’t vote for you” is a standard template for demanding action.

homesweethomeMrL,

well, howabout this: we’ll join in all the foot-stomping and loud sighing up until the election. If we can get some concessions through it - great! All for it.

But we vote Biden in November. Because if you want to drive the election like an asshole and steer it into the ditch so trump gets in - Yeah, no. Not just no, but HELL no.

How is this even a question? Do you even know what you’re talking about? Have you ever even voted before? Honestly the cavalier attitude to trump getting in is batshit insanity. I hope y’all are just stoned as fuck.

Zaktor,

Sure, that seems pretty reasonable to me. It’ll notably look exactly like what you’re exasperated about though. “We’re definitely going to vote for you but we’re angry” is shorthand for “ignore me”.

homesweethomeMrL,

Only if the whole “representative” part of democracy is a sham and a joke. I don’t think it is.

It’s weak, yes, in some ways broken, constantly under siege, in actual existential danger at the present time - but it’s real and the best version we’ve come up with yet in the history of the world. And it wasn’t easy to get here.

Zaktor,

It’s representative because the representatives need their constituents’ votes to stay in power. It may not be a spoken exchange, but that’s exactly the exchange that takes place with every call. That’s not a sham, that’s exactly what makes it a democracy. The idea that elected officials broadly act out of the goodness of their hearts is describing a benevolent aristocracy. Also a fantasy.

homesweethomeMrL,

. . . ? Sorry, it’s representative but only because politicians need votes?

Not sure what the point is there.

Zaktor,

And they do things for their constituents because otherwise they will lose votes. Which you seem to think would only occur if the democracy was a joke rather than the very core of the system.

homesweethomeMrL,

Not “only” because they’d lose votes, but yes that is a feature of the representative system. What is it you think I’m saying about it? I think you’re saying representative democracy is bad because the representatives need votes to be in office . . . ?

Zaktor,

It’ll notably look exactly like what you’re exasperated about though. “We’re definitely going to vote for you but we’re angry” is shorthand for “ignore me”.

Only if the whole “representative” part of democracy is a sham and a joke. I don’t think it is.

This sounds like you believe telling a representative that your vote is assured but your angry with their choice will get them to take your concerns seriously unless the “representative” part is a sham, but there’s no inherent expectation of goodness in a representative democracy. If they don’t want to do something and you (and all your allies) tell them “we want you to change your position, but we’re going to vote for you regardless of what you do”, you’ve told them all they need to know, because ignoring you won’t cost them any votes and presumably the other choice either will or is just what they’d like to do.

“Representative” democracy just means we hand over immediate power to the people we vote for to do the day to day governing. It doesn’t mean they actually innately represent their constituents nor does it involve just guessing who’d be best every four years and then sitting back and hoping it goes well.

Politicians ignore their constituents all the time. I’m glad that Biden doesn’t give a fuck that some pro-life zealots are big mad that he doesn’t ban abortion. He knows they have almost no chance of voting for him and it would lose him a bunch of his actual voters. But if we all got together and said “hey Joe, don’t worry about what we want on abortion, we’re 100% with you regardless”, he might start thinking about softening his stance on abortion bans to pick up a few more votes from the zealots. You can leave the threat to not vote for them unsaid, but the threat is what gets them to change their stance, and if you preemptively rule out ever taking away the thing they want in the transaction, they have no reason to do so.

Votes in exchange for policy is the whole deal. There’s no requirement in a functioning democratic system for the representatives to just do stuff out of innate goodness.

TigrisMorte, to politics in Are Arabs in Michigan Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump? In a Word: Yes.

Garbage "walk away" bullshit 2.0 remains bullshit. F'off.

Hegar, to politics in Are Arabs in Michigan Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump? In a Word: Yes.
@Hegar@kbin.social avatar

Don't fall for the liars blaming arab-americans disgusted at our government's active role in the ongoing palestinian genocide.

Blame democrats who are providing military and political support to an ongoing genocide and expecting that somehow won't hurt them in the election.

homesweethomeMrL,

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  • Sanctus,
    @Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

    I get the feeling, but Project 2025 doesn’t cut out any caveats for average Americans who voted for Trump. You will be white and christian or you will face the wall. I just want you to remember that at least you didn’t vote democrat when we’re being shelled by Amazon for revolting inside Amazon City C417-982.

    Hegar,
    @Hegar@kbin.social avatar

    I just want you to remember that at least you didn’t vote democrat when we’re being shelled by Amazon for revolting inside Amazon City C417-982.

    Firstly, I plan on voting for a democrat. Secondly, I live in oregon so it doesn't matter. Thirdly, if you're relying on democrats to save you from excesses of corporate power I don't think you understand the democrats very well.

    I'm just saying what my comment said: there's no justification in blaming arab-americans for the obviously flawed decision making of the democratic party.

    Sanctus,
    @Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

    I think what people are blaming is the flawed decision making in electing Trump. It’s like not being able to get what I want so I just burn the whole place down and piss on the ashes.

    Hegar,
    @Hegar@kbin.social avatar

    Yep, that's what I think is kind of disgusting logic, tbh.

    It's a fact of being human that its hard to throw your support behind a group that are massacering people you consider kin.

    The democrats made a choice to support an ongoing genocide and drive down turn out among their own base, despite the importance of this election to the future of our democracy. They and not voters deserve 100% of the blame for their own actions.

    Sanctus,
    @Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

    Trump literally told Netty boi to finish it up quick. Don’t really know what the angle is here besides one is in power. The other will do the same he said so. Its a situation where you just lose thinking like that. This us a call that our voting system needs to change. Let’s not torch it before we can fix it.

    HelixDab2,

    Thinking that living in Oregon will save you from Trump is… Well, it’s something, anyways. Don’t forget how many nazis you have living in the state the second your outside of Portland city limits.

    Hegar,
    @Hegar@kbin.social avatar

    Thinking that living in Oregon will save you from Trump

    You misunderstood. Oregon is solid blue and will go for biden with or without my vote.

    HelixDab2,

    No, I get it. I lived in Chicago in 2016, and I voted for Jill Stein because I knew that there was no way in hell that Trump was going to win Illinois.

    But see, living in a safely blue state, and then turning around and using a megaphone to tell people in purple states that the blue candidate is awful, he’s Genocide Joe, Sleepy Joe, too old, etc., well, how many people do you think you’ve going to convince in battleground states?

    Fapper_McFapper, to politics in Are Arabs in Michigan Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump? In a Word: Yes.

    Trump called for a Muslim ban and the Arabs in Michigan are like, yeah, that’s my guy.

    Republicans are masterminds at not just getting people to vote against their own interest, but also at convincing them that they are, in fact, voting in their best interest.

    If Trump wins I can’t help but wonder how many faces are going to be eaten by the leopards.

    homesweethomeMrL,

    Republicans are masterminds at not just getting people to vote against their own interest

    Only because corporate news refuses to check them. Because corporate news sewers are run by republiQans.

    Omniraptor,

    Democrat elections are basically a hostage situation (it votes for biden when it’s told or else it gets the trump again). If biden refuses to budge on the critical issues, at some point you have to start executing hostages.

    mojofrododojo,

    yeah but funny thing is IT’S NOT DEMS HOLDING THE COUNTRY HOSTAGE, it’s dems offering the country a way out from madness. the “it gets trump again” - he’s the GOP candidate for fuck’s sake.

    you act like the dems get to elect both candidates just to upset you.

    Omniraptor,

    No it is the Dems holding the country hostage. They pretend to care but they’re using the lack of a real alternative to hold themselves to extremely low standards AND RESIST ANY CALLS FROM THEIR OWN VOTER BASE TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR- “I mean, have you seen the other guys?” should not be a valid operating principle!

    mojofrododojo,

    the dems didn’t make the GOP fucking nuts. but it’s the dems fault huh?

    listen to yourself, shit man, do it, vote trump, you deserve each other

    Omniraptor,

    You’re not getting it. The point is that the Dems keep betraying their own base and refusing to change for the better- they’re unresponsive to feedback. This doesn’t mean trump deserves to win, it just means the Biden needs to go. “I’m only 99% fascist” is not something I will condone ever, and I don’t think you should either. Show some spine! Support the students protesting against the “democratic” Biden regime and the genocide it’s providing diplomatic and military aid for. There has to be a red line somewhere and in my opinion we’ve passed it.

    mojofrododojo,

    The point is that the Dems keep betraying their own base and refusing to change for the better- they’re unresponsive to feedback.

    school loan forgiveness

    green new deal

    rescheduling mj

    aid for ukraine

    I dunno man, failing to see the betrayal.

    This doesn’t mean trump deserves to win, it just means the Biden needs to go.

    lol, guess what: there are two people running bright lights. you’re supporting trump.

    Omniraptor,

    I dunno man, failing to see the betrayal

    idk what to tell you either, he could be the second coming and it still wouldn’t give him a pass to unconditionally support a country while it’s carrying out a genocide. That’s not how it works

    mojofrododojo,

    support a country while it’s carrying out a genocide. That’s not how it works

    biden actually reigns in bibi, and you want trump. go nuts shitbag, get what you want, I hope it blows up in your stupid face.

    Shyfer,

    You don’t see how supporting a genocide is a red line if you had family or friends there? You lack any sort of empathy then.

    mojofrododojo,

    supporting a genocide

    and yet he’s the only one who’s capable of reigning in Bibi. Trump’s not going to do that lol, you bellend

    how fucking dumb do you have to be to see that voting Trump would just empower the far right in Israel?

    Shyfer,

    He’s had lots of time to reign him in and he hasn’t at all. They’ve just given them more money, weapons, and support. Until there’s been actual actions and not just words, on this particular issue, they are the only exact same.

    Until then, the threat of a Trump Presidency hopefully impresses upon Biden the need to do something, anything, other than what he’s been doing (a wag of his finger every now and then and that’s it).

    I don’t want Trump back. You don’t want Trump back. It’s better to spend your energy trying to push Biden on this issue as soon as possible.

    mojofrododojo,

    I don’t want Trump back. You don’t want Trump back.

    I know me, I’m doubtful about the rest of the people in this thread. Dangerous fucking games.

    Zaktor,

    green new deal

    I think you mean the Green New Dream, or Whatever. You’re trying to credit them with a policy that was very much not enacted and what was done was done to discredit it.

    CharlesDarwin,
    @CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

    Wait, Republican behaviors are the fault of…the Democrats?

    Zaktor,

    They’re not talking about Republican behaviors at all, they’re talking about Democratic behaviors, like what’s happening right now by Democrats with respect to Palestine. “But Republicans are worse” doesn’t change that Democrats are adopting policy counter to what their base wants. They think the left/Muslims/young people have no other option, so they don’t need to do anything to please them.

    meleecrits, to politics in Are Arabs in Michigan Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump? In a Word: Yes.
    @meleecrits@lemmy.world avatar

    Former President Donald Trump declared Tuesday that Israel must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas

    Right. This guy that called for a Muslim ban will be so much more sympathetic to the genocide in Gaza…

    Jaysyn, (edited ) to politics in Are Arabs in Michigan Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump? In a Word: Yes.
    @Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

    And Trump with his SCotUS cronies have plans to end / strip birthright citizenship & deport 11M "undesirables".

    Want to guess who will be at the very head of that line? You don't think Stephen Miller is getting lists of arrestees from the colleges right fucking now?

    And I very seriously doubt I'll have the capacity to feel bad for the dangerously stupid by that point.

    LainTrain, to politics in Are Arabs in Michigan Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump? In a Word: Yes.

    What did you expect? They don’t really give a shit about the fate of the US or women’s rights or the rights of LGBT folks, a rule by dictatorial decree isn’t different from what they’re used to back home lol just kidding haha imagine if I wrote some racist shit like this as a neolib lol get fucked Biden you genocide supporting cunt, just revoke Israel’s imperialism pass its that easy.

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