cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

ok but i unironically eat cereal for dinner because cinnamon toast crunch is delicious

Kiwi,
@Kiwi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

ok but I unironically eat kellogg’s for dinner because crunchy

sness,

Every time I’ve eaten cereal for dinner, it was never because it was cheap. I’ve always had cheaper and healthier alternatives. Cereal for dinner isn’t a poverty meal, it’s a poor mental health meal.

FakeGreekGirl,

Yeah, but being poor and overworked will also kill your mental health, so…

Bruhh,

Bruh

jaschen,

I remembered being poor early in my life and eating cereal with water. Reading this shit makes me hate this man even more than I thought I could.

muelltonne,

Yes, cereal is bad. Yes, it’s expensive. Yes, it’s unhealthy. But what many people here are forgetting: There is a whole industry advertising cereal as a healthy breakfast (and now apparently dinner). You go into a supermarket and it is full of colourful boxes telling you what an awesome meal cereal is. Potatoes don’t have that. There is no TV ad for potatoes. And yes, cereal tastes great, because of the sugar.

bigfoot,
@bigfoot@lemm.ee avatar

In what country is Kellog’s cereal affordable to cash strapped families

Obi,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

I assume they also own a bunch of the budget brands.

DragonAce,

The thing that everyone ITT seems to be forgetting is that while yes making rice or beans or something similar can be cheap and also very filling. When someone is working 40+ hours a week at multiple jobs to keep a roof over their heads, depression is inevitable. Living paycheck to paycheck is stressful, anxiety inducing, and depressing. So when someone is exhausted and depressed, sometimes all they have the energy for is to pour a bowl of cereal, because anything beyond that is just too much.

Got_Bent,

I’m more or less in the situation you describe, but I don’t find rice and beans to be particularly stressful.

Part of that is that I do cheat with canned beans instead of making them from dry.

But rice is pretty much get home, start rice, go pee, get out of work clothes, curse my existence, and boom, rice is done.

I’m not in the financial situation you describe. I can afford better food. But better food does take effort that I don’t want to put in after twelve to fourteen hour days. I’m way too tired to be bothered with chopping and prepping. In slower times of the year, I’ll do that in Sunday for the whole week, but in these busier times, I can’t even get to that.

HaruEb,
@HaruEb@kolektiva.social avatar
AnarchoSnowPlow,

Weren’t corn flakes invented to suppress the urge to masturbate with their blandness or something?

FakeGreekGirl,

Yeah, there was like a whole movement of “doctors” who recommended bland food to suppress masturbation, which would supposedly make you healthier.

That’s also how we got Graham crackers.

Crack0n7uesday,

I miss the days when psychologists thought everyone was obsessed with banging their parents and cocaine basically solves all your problems.

AnarchoSnowPlow,

That or a yogurt enema and some chaste thoughts, too bad for Kellogg that’s what I’m into.

nomous,

Yeah seems like some yogurt squirting up there might be something at least a few people are into.

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT,

Also prescribing orgasms!

FakeGreekGirl,

I mean, hot.

Schadrach,

Was literally the standard treatment for hysteria. So much so that the vibrator was invented as a labor saving device for doctors.

iAvicenna,

huh what?

Noodle07,

You read that right

FakeGreekGirl,

Look up John Harvey Kellogg sometime. Dude was the Gwyneth Paltrow of his day.

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT,

Makes sense since his cereal turns to goop after being in contact with milk for like three seconds

Schadrach,

Except for the part where he was all about keeping your goop in.

Schadrach,

Dr Kellogg’s whole thing was trying to prevent masturbation for health reasons. Advocated a super bland diet to avoid anything at all stimulating. Corn flakes were invented as part of that.

Graham crackers were invented by one of his contemporaries for the same reason.

Kellogg is also the reason why routine circumcision became a thing in the US to start with (circumcision reduces sensation, he thought the reduced sensation would prevent masturbation while not reducing it so far that it prevented reproduction), and tradition and the uses of human foreskin in the biotech and cosmetic industries help keep it going.

Just be glad his treatment for girls meant to be akin to circumcising boys never took off. Which was burning the clitoris with acid to scar it and reduce sensation.

dejected_warp_core,
cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

that’s not what i use it for 👀

taanegl,

Okay, add him to one of the lists… which one? I dunno. The group guillotine assembly line? The obstacle course of razor sharp objects? The Wu-Tang reverse speed feeding bonanza? The volcano catapult layup competition? O, I know. The scarecrow harvester mowdown. We’ll put him next to former Monsanto executives.

uriel238, (edited )
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I can count my lucky stars my income level never dipped below the rice-and-beans povery level, but it has dipped below cereal made by Kellogs and General Mills. They’re a false product like Nestlē baby formula as sold in Africa. They are expensive by the ounce and poor nutrition.

But if you are that dirt poor and have a 60 hour job then you may not have the time or energy to make rice. You’re also stuck in bonded servitude. That is a profound level of fucked.

Pilnick is celebrating selling desperation food at inflated prices to slaves.

dejected_warp_core,

I’m right there with you. Beans, rice, potatoes, and the occasional pasta dish. Whatever vegetables were inexpensive, and whatever meat was on manager’s special or BOGO. I did eventually figure out that inexpensive tofu could be purchased in bulk at some asian grocery stores, but by then I was on my way off the struggle diet.

At one point, it was clear that stuff like “hamburger helper” was too expensive, and going after raw seasoning ingredients and pasta was going to save a substantial part of the shopping bill. Boxed cereal was also out of the question.

Edit: energy costs (electricity) were bundled into my rent at the time. I don’t even want to think about how to navigate that situation by paying for butane, propane, or natural gas on top of everything else.

psycho_driver,

Meanwhile Rocket Mortgage over here telling me to refinance my house so I can afford groceries . . .

lars,

I would eat vanilla-flavored sugar for every meal if my body’d be down for it

DessertStorms,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

A lot of people here are missing the fact that cereal doesn't require any additional cost, time, and/or effort to store and prepare (in a desperate situation you might even have it with water or dry if you can't access milk).

So while rice or potatoes might be a better meal, and the ingredients cheaper to buy (but not when you factor in cost and time of cooking), they may still not be an option for some.

For those who have never really been it - it'd blow your mind how expensive it is to be poor in so many different ways (a feature of capitalism, of course, not a bug).

FakeGreekGirl,

Yeah, that is an excellent point. The time to actually prepare rice and beans comes at a premium when you’re working multiple jobs to make ends meet.

DessertStorms,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

Right, that's why fast food is thriving despite everyone knowing what shit it is - it fills a hole fast and cheap enough, and you're not using any of your own energy - physically from the utility, but also physically, and mentally, from yourself to prepare it (and before that you have to refrigerate ingredients or keep them frozen so you have to own and pay to run a fridge/freezer as well as an oven or toaster or hob, and before that you have to shop for ingredients, it all takes money, time, and energy of every kind).

The problem isn't how people go about trying to survive (like eating cereal for dinner), it's the people making billions off of the industries and institutions that require workers be in such a desperate state in the first place.

Asafum,

I don’t want to sound unsympathetic, but rice takes 15-20 mins in the microwave (if done right it’s perfectly fine) so it’s just seconds of button pressing and then walk away to do whatever else you need to and I buy canned beans that are already cooked so all you need to do is reheat them.

The hardest part for some is learning not to hate eating leftovers. I never had this issue so it comes easier to me, but my easy weekly meal (it’s just me so it’s simpler) is canned vegetables, canned beans, and a chicken breast all the the slow cooker with some basic seasoning. I can add whatever I want afterwards to change the flavors so it’s not always the “same.” I really don’t spend any time over an oven unless I want to.

All that said I imagine this gets 100000x harder when kids are involved, but luckily for me I’m pretty much the least desirable man on earth so I don’t need to worry about procreation lol

FakeGreekGirl,

15-20 minutes is a long time when you have a 30-minute gap between your two jobs.

Asafum,

I just do it once a week and make a bunch, but if you’re working 2 jobs 7 days a week then yeah just about anything is too much :(

zod000,

I’ve been there and it almost killed me. It wasn’t money that got me (that much), but the lack of time and sleep. I’d live by vending machine junk and naps in the car between jobs.

Holzkohlen,

Beans from a can, champignons from a glass, bit of corn from a can. Put it on a tortilla with a bit of salsa for flavor. I add some flax seeds cause they are supposed to be good for your intestinal health. Obviously this tastes better when you take some time to prepare it in a pan, but it’s cheap, very filling and takes a few minutes to prepare at most. I like to eat it cold on hot summer days.

VieuxQueb,
@VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah I know!

Not enough money to pay your bill it will cost you 75-90$ for being broke.

You buy small portions cause you can’t afford bulk, it will cost you more in small portions.

You are alone ! No family rebate for you. You can’t buy a home, well rent will cost you more than a mortgage.

Etc…

barsoap,

It’s also depression food. If you don’t find the energy to make one simple warm meal a day, and that can be as simple as melted cheese or pancakes or an omelette, you don’t have a time problem you have a psychological problem.

beebarfbadger,

Related: Sam Vimes ‘Boots’ Theory of Socio-Economic Unfairness

terrypratchett.com/…/sam-vimes-boots-theory-of-so…

paholg,

You can get a rice cooker for $20. Then, you can make rice and beans (with beans from a can) with virtually no effort.

You can also go from there if you have more time/money. Add cheese, hot sauce, salsa, avocado, make tacos, etc.

But I’ve survived many a meal with just rice from a rice cooker and a can of beans, and it’s far more nutritious and has left me feeling far better than eating cereal would.

DessertStorms,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

You can get a rice cooker for $20

If you need $20 dollars spare as the first step, and to continue to use electricity to power the thing as the second - it isn't accessible. Also - did it even cross your mind that if they could afford it, they would get one? It's not like rice cookers are this secret tool only a select few know about..

Seriously, I get that it can be hard to imagine conditions we haven't personally experienced, but it can't be that hard to understand what "dirt poor" actually means, nor to accept that poor people aren't poor by choice, nor are they surviving on cereals because they have better options they're just not utilising as well as you think you would in their shoes, which you are not, and clearly have never been, in.

fidodo,

That’s $20 brand new. If you get it used you can find some either for free or next to nothing. I don’t think it’s a cost thing, I think it’s an accessibility thing.

Also, Kellogg isn’t a budget cereal brand. If you’re so poor you can’t afford a few dollars for a ride cooker then you shouldn’t be buying Kellogg. Actually, nobody should be buying Kellogg because it’s all the same cereal except for marketing.

paholg,

Thanks for assuming a ton there, asshole.

I have been there. I have scraped together coins I could find to buy a single pound of dry pasta, to eat it plain. Repeatedly.

Money is not such an issue for me these days, but depression is. I know how hard it can be to do the minimal steps to make food.

I understand how precious time, money, and energy can be. I have eaten cereal and the like for plenty of meals I shouldn’t have, and have always regretted it.

There are better options.

A $20 rice cooker is the same as like 5 boxes of cereal. If you are too money pressed, but have some time, one can likely be found nearly free at a thrift store or yard sale, or you can cook rice or pasta in a pot instead.

If you don’t have access to a cooking surface, we’re getting to houselessness territory, which is a huge problem and is affecting far too many people, but is beyond just being poor or not having time.

Edit: And if all that is too much, you can eat cold beans from a can. I have done this as well. It’s not great, but it’s a better option than cereal still.

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT,

I’m happy that no matter how bad things were for you that you had the wherewithal to feed yourself properly. It doesn’t sound like you’ve experienced a lot of privilege, but that is one area where you can count yourself fortunate.

Similarly, I’ve been homeless but I always made sure that I could get some food into me somewhere. Usually shelters, soup kitchens, food banks

Crazypartypony,

A box of cereal is like $6 and all sugar. It will provide 3-4 bowls of cereal for that price, with no actual nutrition. If you can afford a box of cereal a day, you can live on instant noodles instead for like 3 days and have the 20 for a brand new rice cooker. Or just go to the thrift store.

Cereal is not a poor person food. It is not nutritious, cheap, or filling. It is an expensive box of sugar. I get that it can be hard to imagine conditions we haven’t personally experienced, but it can’t be THAT hard to do basic math and put yourself in that situation for one second to understand that eating cereal for every meal is not cheap or sustainable.

frostysauce,

Is there a word for mansplaining to poor people? Because that’s how that came off.

naevaTheRat,

nah I’ve been eating from bins poor and you can also just eat beans from the can cold. I’m not saying you’ll love life but you can survive around a year before serious deficiencies and it’s much much much cheaper per calorie than cereal.

Importantly it also has proteins so you can actually keep working/moving around etc. You can basically only sell your body (begging, stealing, sex work, or labor) at that point so you need it to work.

Rice is bulk and calories but stale bread from supermarket bins is free and can be eaten cold. Steal bolt cutters from the back of a car at a job site and you’re golden for getting into supermarket bins.

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT,

I didn’t even grow to that poor, but knew people who ate worse just because the battle of everyday life took every last ounce of gumption they had.

Luckily my ma knew about food and cooking, so we did alright, but I had a lot of little friends who were totally totally lost when it came to feeding themselves.

Hell right now I know middle aged men pulling six figures who are hurting nutritionally, and it’s like impossible to educate them to a better way to take care of themselves, despite money not actually being an issue

naevaTheRat,

Yeah, I guess I was lucky in some ways because my family coming from Polish invasion survivors meant that I was raised with a strong emphasis on healthy peasant food. My grandparents in particularly always made sure we ate heartily, so when I was on my own for a bit and had to survive I knew that I needed crap like veggie stews and not instant noodles.

When I went to uni it was baffling sneaking in to the student accomodation to visit my girlfriend and seeing rich kids with literal fucking scurvy and shopping carts full of pasta and mince + instant noodles. Like friends, please eat a carrot.

Riven,

That’s a great last sentence, I might start using.

Friend please eat a carrot.

Jakeroxs,

Nah it’s like $4 max or you go with generic, and it sure as shit is more then 3-4 bowls lmfao

Riven,

Even generics are more expensive than that now a days. It’s like 5 plus taxes for the small box or generics.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

Cereals and milk, 20 seconds

Rice and beans, 20 minutes

Yearly1845,

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  • naevaTheRat,

    so does milk, unless you’re talking cereal with water. If you go that way within about a month you’ll have started eating your muscles.

    Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,
    UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT,

    My wife has been telling me this and I find it really upsetting. Like what am I supposed to use for stir-fry? Good, damn… fresh? steaming rice?? 🤢

    Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

    Yeah. You need rice that has lost all it’s steam vapour.

    Good news. You can freeze rice for up to 6 months. Just portion it and let the water escape before freezing.

    Yearly1845,

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  • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

    no food spoils that fast.

    It’s not about food spoiling. It’s about multiplying bacterial spores that have survived the cooking process.

    That link doesn’t focus on rice specifically. And the FDA doesn’t have a great reputation. I’d rather trust a source with an active interest in illness prevention.

    Riven,

    Mine was a slow cooker with lentils and I would just refill as needed. Lentils, salt, pepper, tomatoes, onions, garlic, cilantro and if I’m feeling fancy/rich cook up some bacon to chuck in there. Minus the bacon it took like 5 minutes to chuck everything in there and leave it to cook. This was my poor college days where I just rented a room and had a part time job. Shit sucked.

    Blackout,
    @Blackout@kbin.social avatar

    People are broke and broken. They don't care anymore and settle for sugar frosted cardboard for dinner. This guy is up there smiling and thinking "all this misery is great for business!"

    owen,

    Lol. We should just skip straight to calorie pellets at this point

    frostysauce,

    They would be even more expensive than cereal because they would upcharge for the convenience of not having to pour cereal into a bowl.

    germanatlas,
    @germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    How long until French Revolution 2: Electric Boogaloo?

    FakeGreekGirl,

    I’ll ask Madame Guillotine if she is up for another round.

    TimewornTraveler,

    I ain’t playing. too many morons. I don’t want a bunch of fucking morons deciding how the next constitution looks. now if it was just you and me messing with it? meh we’d probably fuck up tooooo, my lil portabello

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