yarr,

Before starting a war, ask yourself what victory would look like. It appears here that the goal is wiping Gaza entirely and anything short of that will be construed as a loss.

JustZ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the goal?

They are at 1.5% of the population of Gaza and daily death tolls have fallen month after month. If that’s the goal shouldn’t the killing apparatus become more effective and not 20% less so each month?

Hmm, perhaps your reasoning is flawed.

yarr,

They are at 1.5% of the population of Gaza and daily death tolls have fallen month after month. If that’s the goal shouldn’t the killing apparatus become more effective and not 20% less so each month?

I’m sorry not enough people are getting killed efficiently enough for you. What do you think ‘Total Victory’ means for Israel here?

JustZ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

What the fuck? Where you get that idea from? I point out an obvious flaw in your reasoning and somehow that means I want more people to die? What’s wrong with you?

juicy,

They’ve forced most of the population to Rafah on the southern border and are preparing an assault on the city while Egypt is preparing a walled camp just across the border to contain refugees. Sounds like they’re well on track.

JustZ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah and Hamas leadership continues to use most of Gaza as a human shield. Hamas should have stayed in the north and met their fate, they’re cowards, hiring behind women and kids, but they traveled with the refugees.

SattaRIP,

Your argument is that there are so many dead that the IDF is killing people more slowly…

JustZ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Nope you’ve misread.

SulaymanF,

Monthly death tolls are rising, what are you talking about?

JustZ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Check your figures.

SulaymanF,

You’re the one claiming they’re falling, the burden of proof is on you.

JustZ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t care if you believe me or not, I’m unburdened. The daily death tally is and has been trending downward since this second or third week.

Keeponstalin,

With only 12 out of the 35 hospitals partially functioning, since the rest have been bombed relentlessly and are no longer operational, the death numbers are certainly a conservative estimate And most likely higher. Weird thing to say when millions are on the brink of starvation and dozens have already died of starvation.

snek,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

So fucking what? 20 less people die each day and that makes it okay for you? Starvation snd disease orchestrated by Israel will kill many more soon but I’m sure you’ll find an excuse.

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah remember how when Hitler first shoved all the jews into concentration camps

Then he let them suffer and die in those camps for a while

Then he made dedicated death camps to kill them all

So I guess we should wait until the death toll reaches at least 25% before we start to do anything just like how the allies definitely waited for Hitler to make death camps before fighting with his army.

JustZ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a stupid comparison.

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Then explain why excessive civilian casualties are acceptable lmao

JustZ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Because that’s Hamas’s strategy, to put people in harms way and then prey on your sympathy. It’s called lawfare.

Keeponstalin,

It’s called Israeli propaganda that has no independent verification and is used by Israel to justify intentionally targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure.

JustZ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Can see it and verify it for yourself if you’re not blinded by your wildly out of control emotional reactions to everything you see.

Keeponstalin,

You got me, empathy makes me anti-Genocide. Funny that you don’t see human rights organizations and independent news outlets as credible despite their reports being verifiable. Meanwhile, you promote IDF rhetoric used to justify ethnic cleansing, despite their verifiable track record of falsified information. You’ve made Islamophobic comments, which come from fear and hate; emotions IDF propaganda exploits.

snek,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Lawfare is a word Israel likes to use when Palestinians appeal to international law.

When we do it, it’s lawfare. When Israel genocides Gaza, it’s just defending itself. And hell has frozen over btw

OccamsTeapot,

They are at 1.5% of the population of Gaza and daily death tolls have fallen month after month. If that’s the goal shouldn’t the killing apparatus become more effective and not 20% less so each month?

If Israel was stupid then yeah they’d ramp up the killing after the ICJ ruled that it was a plausible case of genocide. If they were not stupid maybe they would slow down.

So the question is: do you think Israel is stupid?

turkishdelight,

Israel lost it’s way decades ago whenbit decides genocide over peace.

RatBin,

Large parts of the Israeli public want a deal, fearing that hostages are held in poor conditions and time is running out to bring them home alive.

Are they even thinking at their own people themselves? It seems to me they want the total destruction of gaza, including the hostages cought in these massive operations.

mods_are_assholes,

History will show that this man is a disturbed and bloodthirsty autocrat, but for now we have to pretend he is a sane and normal person.

Harbinger01173430,

Disgusting savage

theotherverion,

He should define “total victory”

Randomgal,

He has defined it, he means: “Total destruction of the Palestinian people and their land.”

theotherverion,

Then I hope he is unsuccessful

nutsack,

He is well on his way to achieving this goal

theotherverion,

He is extremely unsuccessful at destroying palestinian people considering the fact their population consistently rises.

However, he is quite successful at making sure Palestinian state won’t exist.

SulaymanF,

Over at least 30,000 dead and famine about to double or triple that wipes out any demographic gains for many years. “Their population rises” is also what Nazis claim about Jews to downplay the holocaust and it isn’t an actual argument.

theotherverion,

The thing is that during WW2, Jewish population dropped roughly by 30%. Do we have 30% less palestinians? Also, famine and dead civilians are part of every war. Unfortunately.

in4aPenny,

What’s your point? That we should just accept that as “business as usual”?

theotherverion,

Definitely not but at the same time let’s not compare it to incomparable.

JustZ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Based on your feelings.

It means total destruction of Hamas’s ability to carry out more attacks.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

as the Romans found out when trying to crush Spartacus, that's not achievable without total destruction.

Randomgal,

For Netanyahu and his fanatics, Hamas = Palestine. But you knew this already, you little troll.

Keeponstalin,

Ah feelings, that explains the over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, journalists, and other influential personalities.

Genocide

Year before Oct 7 - Jewish Voice for Peace

Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel) and Summery by the International Court of Justice

Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated

AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC

holdthecheese,

A final solution of sorts

Cuttlefish1111,

BDS

ThatFembyWho,

Do you want the total war?

Do you want it, if necessary, more total and radical than anything that we can yet today even conceive?

-Bibi Goebels, basically

werefreeatlast,

I was against this from the beginning after the first day of asswopping. That’s when the aggression should have stopped. Now I’m growing totally against this shit. I mean the civilians who have not much input are literally dying from hunger. What else do the Israeli government want? Can they do that without spending more American resources? I don’t want to end up having to watch NOVA 20 years from now explaining how the US became involved in the yet another worse human castretosfe of the century. I’ll be older and would probably fall asleep.

Maybe we just stop helping the Israeli government now?

in4aPenny,

How?

The only two candidates available want to help Israel, Biden and even more so Trump. If you’re hoping that some sort of legislation, protest, or representative will push for removing aid to Israel then I want what you’re smoking. The world will scream and shout while Israel/US does the genocide anyway, and we’ll add it to the long list of war crimes committed that we do nothing about except whine and complain.

In a democracy you have to be a player, crying into the void of the internet isn’t going to do anything. I would give my suggestions about what needs to be done, but then my comment will surely be removed by a mod. The problem is I don’t see any other solution, except hang on and let time itself deal with them.

xc2215x,

Very disappointing to see from him. It is time to not support Israel.

Rapidcreek,

64% of Israelis support early elections.

spiderplant,

The opposition is just as genocidal and 90% of Jewish Israelis(80% of the population) believe appropriate or not enough force is being used.

Elections won’t change a thing.

SpiceDealer, (edited )
@SpiceDealer@lemmy.world avatar

Bibi over here testing the limits of Godwin’s Law. Keep it up you fucking genocidal scum!

PanArab,

Israel will never know peace.

Harbinger01173430,

A perfect punishment for their sins

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

“WOLLEN SIE DEN TOTALEN KRIEG?!?”

ToAllPointsWest,

Okay “Adolph”

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