JustZ

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“Complete Dehumanization”: Israel Killed Over 800 Palestinians in 11 Days (truthout.org)

From June 1 to June 11, Israeli forces killed over 800 Palestinians and wounded over 2,400 as they carried out bombardments and raids across Gaza, Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) reported. This is an average of over 72 Palestinians killed each day at the hands of Israeli forces....

JustZ,

It’s easy. Hamas can be destroyed and the surviving 99% of Gaza can move on with their lives.

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Since November we’ve been hearing every day how “famine is imminent.”

Still haven’t seen it.

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Nah it’s because Israel has been letting the aid in through their border and steadily ramping up capacity.

In your imagined scenario, why does Israel let any food in at all?

JustZ, (edited )

Hamas expert or Hamas synoathizer? Ridiculous take. It’s a criminal organization and can and will be eliminated. Israel is going to do it or it’s going to continue to blockade and force Gaza to do it itself. Surely the people living there are getting tired of how it’s going under Hamas’s leadership.

JustZ,

Oh my mistake, 98.4%, not 99%.

Give me a break with the hysterics.

JustZ,

Rounding difference aside, yes, the stunting and lifelong effects of malnutrition especially in a population as adolescent as Gaza, which existed prior to the present state of war, too, right?

Also, yes, sometimes when a state actor, or even a quasi state actor, as it is, starts a war, it exacerbates existing problems with food security. The singular reason that Gaza didn’t have famine rival to that of Darfur prior to the current state of War is the generosity of the West enabled Hamas to plunder Gaza for generations such that Gaza’s primary export became international terror.

Hamas caused and continuez to cause the present state of war by starting it and then refusing to surrender or follow any international law whatsoever. Criminal enterprises have no legitimate right to statehood, or to make demands for diplomacy. It’s almost as if the present state of things is exactly what Hamas hoped for on October 6.

Gaza should have people in charge that will not take billions of dollars from Iran and other “Group of Friends” countries and use every penny to build the most elaborate tunnel system the world has ever known while it’s people grow up malnourished as you’ve described, and instead spend some of it on food infrastructure. This is what people mean when they talk about UNRWA and certain NGOs being an obstruction to peace in Gaza; the people of Gaza wouldn’t tolerate, let alone aid and abet Hamas, if they had to bear the actual consequences of Hamas, such as the food insecurity invited by Hamas by having turning not just its air, water, and land ports of entry into instruments of a criminal enterprise, but every school, hospital, and apartment building along 450 miles of tunnels, too, decade after decade.

How many more millions of Gazan’s should live and die malnourished anyway under an actual far right fascist regime?

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Always has been.

JustZ,

Yup.

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It would be a good idea if we could do it without the Russians knowing who did it…

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This is theater for the Russian and American public. Neither act is actually militarily provocative at all. The US knew when the Russians left port, followed them the whole way to Cuba, and knew there was nothing significant on board. The US waited a day to reveal its nearby attack sub and described its port call as routine, no provocation.

It’s politically provocative only because Russia should stay the f out of America’s curtilage. It’s a third rate shithole country that gets respect only because it represents a culture that would have no quams about nuking a frew western cities in retaliation for hurt feelings, no quams about sending tens of millions of their kids to go die in war. They are respected the same way you respect a guy walking around in public yelling angrily to himself.

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They still mostly all vote for Republicans. The NRA doesn’t need to radicalize them if they are already going to vote for the NRA’s candidate (Republican).

JustZ,

Trump support is equivalent to stupidity.

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“A majority of voters backing Biden are mostly motivated by the greatest threat America and the western world has ever faced.”

JustZ,

Cancelled out? I remember when I was 14 and everything seemed simple.

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Wtf are you talking about, 99% of Gaza is alive and well.

JustZ,

Can you do basic math?

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She is directly employed by Putin, as is Trump.

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Australia and France. That’s about it.

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Israel should run Gaza. Who else would even want to do it?

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Notice how the manufacturer’s writing on the bomb is in Hebrew.

See, Israel has their own bombs to drop on Gaza. And when they do drop American bombs and Gaza, it’s the old shit that they already have, which they have to either use or decommission, before long.

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Nobody wants to see those kids die more than Hamas. It is pan-Islamism’s strongest weapon against the world’s western democracies. These kids are victims of a religious cult that put them in harm’s way on purpose. The bomb is actually for Hamas, not the kids.

JustZ,

That’s very funny.

I wonder what the earliest example is of someone writing messages on outbound projectile weapons, or if there are any examples of messages being received, in other words, like if a bomb with a message on it turn out to be a dud and landed in the general’s kitchen or something.

Probsbly some good material would come to you. You ever write jokes?

JustZ,

“Engagement.”

Which is true and fair. I can abide.

JustZ, (edited )

Yeah well terrorists don’t get to dictate the terms of the engagement. Hamas has to go and the tunnels has to go too.

And if the people of Gaza want to put their kids on top of the tunnels and in the room with a bunch of Hamas members, that’s on the people of Gaza. They could and they should surrender tomorrow and this war would be over.

They don’t just get to declare themselves immune from attack because as a culture they’ve decided human shields is not just acceptable, but somehow honorable.

JustZ,

I haven’t justified any war crimes.

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Okay? These particular shells are Israeli shells. They make tens of thousands of them in Israel.

JustZ,

That hasn’t happened so no worries there. The bombings are very discriminate, actually.

JustZ,

I’m a pretty left wing person. Two time Bernie alum. Kindly imagine that your opinion is not the only one and that perhaps you’ve been tricked by a sensationalist media that wants to reelect Donald Trump and a foreign media that is funded by actual far right dictators? Or perhaps I am not a troll, but a head of state of virtually any western nation, or a member of Congress from either party, or one of the hundreds of thousands of people who work in the foreign service or intelligence corps and just know more about this.

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Ukraine is a sovereign nation with a fairly and democratically elected government, who was the subject of an unprovoked invasion for territorial conquest. What a joke to compare the two. Russia is defending itself from jack shit. Russia is leveling apartment buildings and killing civilians by the dozen, and they aren’t making any claims that there are terrorists inside the buildings or tunnels dug under them, they are making no attempt to warn anybody. They didn’t ask anyone to evacuate. They’re murdering people without cause.

JustZ,

That isn’t what I said. Do you have just a lizard brain, incapable of nuance or depth? War is always wrong. Letting Hamas have a country is much more wrong.

JustZ, (edited )

Obviously that would be unacceptable. That isn’t what I suggest. 500,000 people won’t be killed. They killed only 28,000 after eight months. What a joke to call that genocide. 99% of Gaza still alive, apparently not so insane as to get tricked into being human shields for terrorists. They knew what the tunnels were for when they put Hamas in charge and let them sink shafts through all their colleges and hospitals and apartment buildings. 450 miles of tunnels in an area only 25 miles wide. Sold out the foundation of the land to kill 1,000 Israelis, nearly all of them Jews. I’m sure the Hamas leaders get paid by Iran per Jew killed

Hey, maybe instead of seeing more dead kids, the people of Gaza could, I don’t know, help defeat Hamas and maybe someday know hope and prosperity, rather than living in abject poverty under a “government” that is happy to see them die to Israeli bombs? Just an idea. Doesn’t seem like the current course has worked well for Gazans. If I were the 99% in Gaza, I’d be looking for change, but hope and free will are other victims of Hamas’s leadership of Gaza.

Nobody is going to miss Hamas when it’s gone and it will be gone. Bet. Will you admit to being wrong about all this when the IDF does finish off Hamas, stops bombing targets, and ~98% of Gaza is still alive, ready to help rebuild?

E: To the utter know nothing that reported me for advocating killing children. Literally eat shit. How dumb could you be to read this and think I would be so disgusting as to suggest children should be killed? Sorry the news made you so sad. Really, though, reporting my post for saying war is necessary *even if *some kids get caught up in it, that’s the same thing as saying children should be killed? No, dumbass, every one of those kids body’s is on Hamas. Everyone of them was an unintentional casualty of Israel defending itself from Hamas’s leadership. 15,000 reasons for Hamas to be destroyed, and maybe then the next generation of Gaza can have a chance in hell at actually living a normal life. Your happy to sentence millions of Gaza to live and die under terrorists because you are too sad about reality.

JustZ,

Or the headline of the article you are commenting on…

JustZ,

Nah you just have poor reading comprehension. Sorry I couldn’t dumb it down enough for you to understand but I’m not your teacher.

The bomb you’re talking about on a refugee camp killed two Hamas leaders. Unfortunately, it started a fire that spread to the camp and burned the flammable tents. Sometimes a bomb starts a fire when it explodes. Do you think that Hamas members do not know this, do you think that the people of Gaza do not know this?

JustZ,

Okay Ivan, you are utterly delusional.

JustZ,

Shallow, wildly speculative take you pulled from thin air. Another candidate. What a joke.

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Yeah, all on the same page, supporting the best hope for democracy in the middle east while also containing Iran, the biggest state threat to global security for the next 100 years, isn’t controversial in Washington. Gasp!

JustZ,

Yes, nuance is hard. Sorry the news made you sad. I hope you feel better soon.

JustZ,

Very confusing.

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So edgy, calling lobbying bribes.

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Absolute dumbass commentary. The jury decided the case, not the judge. Trump literally had no defense to the allegations other than bald denials. The evidence that he did the crimes was written in paper and undeniable.

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I don’t watch “MSM.” I read legal filings.

Maybe you should learn to read.

I am an attorney, a trial lawyer.

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They live in an alternative reality in which the crime rate has been rising since the 70’s.

JustZ,

Well he had a lot of time to plan it. What do you think he dreams about when he’s sleeping all the time?

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Hammer man, at that first riot. Never saw what happened with that guy.

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Maybe it was that guy and I confused his glass breakingntool with his bad weather accessory.

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Who actually backs Netanyahu, though? Not Biden. America should back Israel generally and that idea is uncontroversial in Washington.

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