Israelis rally to demand ceasefire and Netanyahu's resignation

“We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel,” said one protester.

Israelis protested on Saturday night, calling for a ceasefire and the resignation of hardline Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Tens of thousands took to the streets in Tel Aviv to demand that the government reach a deal with Hamas to secure the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza.

They also called for new elections, accusing Netanyahu of prolonging the conflict to keep himself in power.

Jafoo,

Taken them long enough

blazeknave,

A lot of motherfuckers, ignoring the article as usual to grandstand, whining they were called out for antisemitism, instead of acknowledging anything in the article. Priorities noted, lemmy.

moitoi,
@moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Any other sources about this? Euronews is linked to Victor Orban.

I would rather read a source outside of the two sides.

VoilaChihuahua,

I am curious to witness the mental gymnatics necessary to call these Israelis antisemitic…what absolute nonsense will need to be implemented this round?

bolexforsoup, (edited )

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VoilaChihuahua,

So you’re saying Israelis protesting the genocide won’t be called antisemitic while non Israelis still may and those doing the name calling don’t realize their hypocrisy? Just trying to understand.

bolexforsoup, (edited )

sadfsdfasfasf

Tinidril,

They don’t get called antisemitic, they get called “self hating Jews”.

blazeknave,

I logged on after reading about the ceasefire, just to look for articles here, where the comments will inevitably say it’s not enough and they’re electing Trump bc they’re so far left.

Tinidril,

What does “left” have to do with it? Is it only leftists who object to genocide?

The number of voters dumb enough to switch from Biden to Trump is insignificant. What’s going to happen is a whole lot of voters are just going to give up and stay home, and it won’t have anything to do with how far left they are.

Just like every damn election, the left is telling the establishment how to attract voters, the establishment is ignoring the left, then the establishment will blame the left. The vast majority of those engaged enough to call themselves leftists are going to vote for Biden. It’s the barely engaged working Americans who are going to check out.

blazeknave,

Ummm… staying home not voting against Trump, is welcoming his election. You flip flopped on this comment from acknowledging the difference but in the end throw your hands up offering, “but that won’t happen anyway, they’ll vote Biden” … I don’t think they will, and staying home to do so is a .5 vote for red team. It’s just the math of elections. Staying home with your vote is still not casting it for the not evil orange dictator

Tinidril,

Gawd, it’s exhausting how many people just lock into the bullshit frame of mainstream news.

Try to understand this please. Most Americans don’t give a shit about left vs right politics. They give a shit about their kids, or the mortgage, or figuring out that issue that has there boss turning weird shades of purple.

The tiny sliver of Americans that are politically astuit enough to even realize that they are leftists are not what swings elections. This is exactly as dumb as the Republican delusion that it’s poor brown people fucking them over.

It’s the same tired bullshit every single damn election. Leftists tell the establishment how to rouse working Americans. The establishment ignores the left and loses. The establishment blames the left. Rince and repeat.

McDropout,
@McDropout@lemmy.world avatar

Most of these people take/haven taken part in the IDF and have been actively participating in Apartheid. These people have been actively been on check points, raided Palestinian houses and killed and kidnapped (yes, kidnapped, because some are in prison without being proven guilty of anything).

This was done by Israelis.

Israelis are actively living in houses that aren’t theirs. In houses where the owners left due to their terrorism.

“We are not our government” but you are.

Spare me the crocodile tears and the fake democracy. We all saw your true colors. Genocidal maniacs.****

FrowingFostek,

True but, isn’t it also true that a ceasefire is desirable? Isn’t it also true that the current prime minister should not hold power?

These people protesting could be fairly judged as guilty of all the things you said. Would that make the things they are asking for invalid?

Is perfection the realistic result? I dont think so.

Can we be happy fewer Palestinians die as a result of this? I like to think so.

Laser,

Most of these people take/haven taken part in the IDF

Most likely? I mean Israel has a draft for women and men with the only exception being Orthodox Jews - which, ironically, might be the ones most in favor of the current government. How does that make their point irrelevant?

have been actively participating in Apartheid.

Dude, that word has a different meaning from what you’re implying. Call the atrocities in Gaza a genocide, that’s fair. But it’s not apartheid and neither is Israel an apartheid state, nor an ethnostate. Source: been to Israel, talked to people, there are no Jewish / non-Jewish toilets or fountains or anything, non-Jewish stores next to Jewish ones etc.

The rest of your blathering is just generalization. The same applied to people living in Gaza would make a lot of unjust actions look much better - after all, most of the people in Gaza have kidnapped and slaughtered civilians, no? Yeah, probably not.

Maggoty,

So what do you call it when Israel controls the West Bank and Gaza, corrals and oppresses those populations and denies them representation? Sure as fuck seems like Apartheid from here, and this Genocide is just a brutal response to a violent resistance movement.

DragonTypeWyvern,

news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702

TokenBoomer,

Thank you for your service

perdvert,

I bet you have a final solution to the problem.

blazeknave,

You’re an imbecile. I know a lot of people in the US military that didn’t rape anyone in Iraq or Afghanistan.

DragonTypeWyvern,

Do you think they would tell you?

blazeknave,

How provocative. Enjoy your echo chamber big dog.

DragonTypeWyvern,

If you want to leave yours, you might want consider finding out what the yearly sexual assault rate is in the military from other military members alone.

And then the total percentage of Americans that have been assaulted.

You know rapists. You just do.

How many of them have told you what they are? What do you think the rate was during a military occupation?

Sam_Bass,

The man is powermad and powerblind. May need to be forcibly removed

casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer,

CIA needs to clean up the mess they created.

in4aPenny,

Why? Everything’s going according to plan.

Tinidril,

It’s really not. US long term strategy is to disengage from the Middle East to focus on bringing freedom™ to Africa. The plan is to leave Israel and Saudi Arabia to babysit, which is what the ill-fated Abraham Accords were for from a US perspective. The US doesn’t give a rats ass about the Palestinians, but being implicated in a genocide is inconvenient.

phoenixz,

And this shows that those opposed to Israel’s actions in Gaza are not antisemitic (ignoring the eventual neonazi assholes), they are opposed to a government that is committing genocide. Especially a government that governs a people THAT SHOULD KNOE BETTER.

I have no problems at all with Jews and I’m sure that, given people who really want peace, a good treaty can be made where both the Palestinians and the Israelites can peacefully coexist, that would be awesome.

However, right now saying even something like that is somehow antisemitic. If anything, I find that sort of behavior antisemitic, because it is so transparent that it pushes more people to the far right and into the hands of neo Nazis.

Stop the genocide, stop the war, withdraw ALL Israeli forces immediately and unconditionally. Then put in a peace keeping force comprised of multiple countries in that same area, and make sure they all work towards peace.

joneskind,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

I was about to say that I hoped we could make protests against Israel’s government without being called antisemitic here in France too…

Pilferjinx,

Israel jews are a different breed than the holocaust survivors. Germany paid reparations to Israel and barely, if any, actually made it to the actual survivors. They’re generally not a good people. But I have seen protests and legit compassion from them to know that it’s always the loudest voices that are most often heard.

nifty,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

People like me get no love from anyone because I want the Jewish people to have Israel as their country, and I want to help protect the rights of Israelis. I also want the same for Palestinians.

People who perpetuate genocide against anyone shouldn’t be tolerated by civilized societies. The fact that mass killings exist in any form in human history is not a role model for the future.

andrewrgross,

I find it helps to name check the position you’re describing, which is “a one-state solution”.

nifty,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

How is what I am describing one-state? The reasonable path forward, which limits bloodshed and violence, is supporting both Israel’s and Palestine’s right to exist.

andrewrgross,

Sorry, I think I had a different comment open in a different tab and got confused before I had to run off to do something.

I’ll leave it up, because I don’t like to delete comments that have been replied to.

nifty,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

No probs!

DaBabyAteMaDingo,

Palestine will reject any treaty. Like they always have. All they want is for Jews to be the minority or to leave entirely.

davepleasebehave,

it’s difficult to choose your colonizer.

DaBabyAteMaDingo,

True. I say we give back the land to the people that were there first. Egypt and Jordan.

sagrotan,
@sagrotan@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah. Before that there were a Greek guy named Alexander, before that there assyrians. Let’s give it back to them. Oh wait, there were since guys from deeper Africa before them… The concept of countries or nations is utterly stupid.

TokenBoomer, (edited )

Really

Report: Hamas Accepts Gaza Cease-fire Deal; Israeli Officials Reject Prospect of War Ending

Archive link for posterity.

DaBabyAteMaDingo,

A headline from an article I need to pay to read that was sourced by hamas themselves? I’m sold! 🤣

No wonder the whole world doesn’t take you far lefties seriously 😂

TokenBoomer,

Sorry, reality doesn’t agree with your assertion. Also, your mask is slipping.

Hamas announced its acceptance Monday of an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire proposal, but Israel said the deal did not meet its “core demands” and that it was pushing ahead with an assault on the southern Gaza city of Rafah. source

DaBabyAteMaDingo,

Do you think written an article is the same as sourced? 😂🤣😘😂

TokenBoomer,

I’m not sure any source will mete your discernment.

Hamas publishes the cease-fire proposal it agreed to

What would be a better source, tea leaves?

phoenixz,

They agreed to treaties before that Israel rejected. But sure, blame the Palestinians

InformalTrifle,

There’s just one small flaw in your plan. Hamas has widespread support in Palestine and is not interested in peace, only in the destruction of Israel.

If you end the war you just go back to the previous situation where Hamas will continue to persistently launch rockets at Israel and execute more terror attacks, not peace.

prole,

Hamas has widespread support in Palestine

No

InformalTrifle,

Wishing it to be untrue doesn’t work unfortunately

danekrae,

Aaah, like how similar the israeli and the nazi government is? Like the genocide against innocent Palestinians? Like IDF’s human right violations?

Wishing it to be untrue doesn’t work unfortunately

theotherverion,

Yes, even in the west bank.

danekrae,

“Now we’ve justified, that 70% of the murdered people are women and children, right? RIGHT?! REICH?!”

InformalTrifle,

No, I’m not commenting on Israels methods which clearly could be better, to put it mildly. That doesn’t mean it’s logical to dream there can ever be peace with jihadists

Emmie, (edited )

Maybe it has such support because of Israel actions. I bet after the Netanjahu war crimes it will have 99%. Hell survivors probably will KoS anyone who even remotely resembles someone from Israel and will pass this tradition on generations to come.

InformalTrifle,

I can understand why you’d think that coming from a position of logic, but no, it’s Islam.

You’re right, it’ll probably go from >50% to 99%. And probably few of them will ever acknowledge that their religion and support of Hamas is what led to this tragedy.

Emmie, (edited )

So what you want to just murder them all? Clean up the place? There are certain historical figures from ww2 Germany and Russia that figured out all the methods, bells and whistles.

InformalTrifle,

Where did I say I wanted to murder anyone?

Where do you live? Was it always the country it is now? How would your government react to constant bombardment from a fanatical religious neighbour that wanted to wipe your country off the map to get into paradise?

Emmie, (edited )

Probably not digging mass graves everywhere. It would be lots of foundational work. Cultural assimilation. Economic warfare. Coca Cola. Replacing the leaders.

Violence is easiest and quickest but is also stupid and has opposite effect, unless of course we go all the way to a complete wipe out. Stalin way.

At this point there is no half measures. You have to go all the way, total wipeout. Those people will not forgive Israel in hundred years. It makes no sense to start genocide but not finish it. That would be pure madness and random convulsions of some blind, shortsighted idiot.

Hell, I would grab a grenade launcher myself at this point if I was in their shoes. This stuff is the worst possible way to handle it.

They could throw a nuke there and it wouldn’t be far off from the mess it is now.

Result is everyone hates them, people are all radicalised against them. Bombings inside Israel will probably continue nevertheless. Nothing is solved but there is a gargantuan pile of problems added.

I suspect the goal was populism all along. And this guy is a psychopath.

Maggoty,

If they aren’t interested in peace then why was it Netanyahu who just torpedoed the current cease fire proposal and not Hamas?

InformalTrifle,

Clearly because he wants to eliminate the jihadist terrorist organisation. I’m not claiming that’s the right decision but I understand it. But it seems a lot of Israelis don’t support him.

But just because Netanyahu is no longer interested in peace doesn’t automatically make Hamas a peaceful group. The group that performs suicide bombings, uses human shields, beheads civilians, would stone you to death for drawing a picture of the prophet. They are not looking for peace no matter how much you downvote

Maggoty,

okay, I’ve since read your other posts and it turn out you’re just racist. Have a nice life.

InformalTrifle,

If calling out problems with a religion is your idea of racism you need to check the dictionary

ieatpillowtags,

You’re right, the correct term is bigot. You’re a bigot.

InformalTrifle,

I apologise. Religion is of course beyond criticism. What are your thoughts on Scientology out of curiosity?

phoenixz,

Yeah, and who’s to blame for that, literally by funding Hamas? The Israeli government.

If they could fund hamas then they can also fund schools, hospitals, help rebuild Gaza.

None of what you say should stand in the way of a peace treaty

rottingleaf,

First of all if Israel, having such a strong military and industrial base, were not a piece of rotten evil, it could make a huge difference in the Middle-East.

But instead of actually working toward that end Israelis decided to put a kinda similar image and exploit it. Simultaneously having a narrative of “we tried, but they just don’t want to live happily” in their propaganda and even believing that themselves.

werty,

First of all if Israel, having such a strong military and industrial base, were not a piece of rotten evil, it could make a huge difference in the Middle-East.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM

rottingleaf,

Well, then they are getting closer to losing that toy.

blazeknave,

Then they wouldn’t be the US and EU’s middle East military base. Why do you think they have the money and weapons? To fight proxy wars and keep opec in check.

lazynooblet,
@lazynooblet@lazysoci.al avatar

Netanyahu’s government - seen as the most right-wight in Israel’s history

Right wing? Or am I lost

flying_sheep,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

Judging from how I completely missed that and read it as “right-wing” I just assume it’s autocorrect gone wrong with no editor spotting it either

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

it’s a type of evil undead, so… close enough.

ocassionallyaduck,

How anti-semetic of them. Don’t they know you can’t do that?

postmateDumbass,

You aren"t saying the protesters are sterotypically self hating are you?

That would be a foul.

TropicalDingdong,

maybe go like, skim the news headlines of the previous three weeks

prole,

This exchange is so wildly ironic lol… I find it hard to believe it’s even real.

Phegan,

They, clearly, are not.

Viking_Hippie,

Do you work for Postmates? Because if so, username checks out 🤦

postmateDumbass,

Is this that reknowned sense of humor?

Stunning wit here.

Stunning ability to take a joke in the other replys.

Viking_Hippie,

🥱🤫

PriorityMotif,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

Obviously they are Hamas

riodoro1,

Make him resign so they can reelect him again.

unreasonabro,

Good shit guys, and good luck, what’s the point of democracy if they don’t fucking listen. We should all be doing this, all of the time

nonailsleft,

what’s the point of democracy

It’s a 2 party system

TheFonz,

It is not. Israel is a multi-party coalition based system.

Karyoplasma,

Guess why France has a some pro-consumer laws that wouldn’t fly in other countries. It’s because if the government pisses the people off, they instantly respond with rioting. It works.

Daft_ish,

Weird, shouldn’t they be rallying to stop biden?

NoIWontPickAName,

No that’s our job in America, they are doing their part against their government.

Daft_ish, (edited )

Don’t you think isrealis might want Americans to fight hard to resist the installment of an authoritarian government so we don’t suffer in the same way they are right now?

explodicle,

“Install”? The USA wrote the book on genocide. It’s a lot more practical to protest your own government.

Daft_ish, (edited )

So is it Biden or is it the entire government?

Once I get you to accept that it isn’t just Joe Biden riding this country into the ground maybe you will see there is a whole party of right wing fanatics that want to see Gaza in rubbles and handing them back the government is the worst possible thing that could happen.

explodicle,

That doesn’t imply that it’s practical for Israelis to protest the American goverment. We aren’t going to bomb Gaza if they choose to stop. And we’re not going to stop funding the bombs if they weigh in on our election. This isn’t about us.

Daft_ish,

It’s not practical to campaign against Biden even here in the states. For the same reasons.

NoIWontPickAName,

Which one? The ones cracking down protestors, or the ones wanting to send more bombs to Israel?

Daft_ish,

The ones proposing project 2025. Would do you good to actually learn what we are up against.

untorquer,

IKR like if America just stopped giving them bombs they wouldn’t have to use them, smh…

Daft_ish,

It’s so weird that we would supply our allies with arms when they are surrounded by hostile nations.

Shyfer,

You should look into why they’re surrounded by hostile nations. Here’s some hints: Look into things Hannah Arendt said about starting a settler colonialist colony in the Middle East that required kicking out the locals into neighboring countries who will then hate them and how that is a bad idea. Einstein even said the same warning, about how Israel will just become militarized, and will start conflating miliarization and Jewishness and nationalism together, as a requirement of keeping this settler colony together (because it requires active occupation and death to maintain, meaning it will always have enemies, until they complete the genocide, I suppose).

Daft_ish, (edited )

Sounds complicated. Sounds like something that deserves nuance and consideration when discussing.

Jk Genocide Joe lolol

nutsack,

fuck yes that’s what im talking about

blazera,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

Netanyahu has been prime minister for 16 years, just won reelection in 2022, and has been a murderous, zionist bastard the entire time.

FiniteBanjo,

Not to mention, he lost power before 2022 because of court battles from 2015 to 2021 after which the courts ruled he could not be held accountable for crimes of corruption, and his reinstatement also meant that the compromise-government that formed on the condition of 2 years of conservative rulership followed by 2 years of progressive/moderate rulership was cut short and it was just back to back Netanyahu-lite to Netanyahu-lager.

Murphy’s law is enforced in Israel.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

the condition of 2 years of conservative rulership followed by 2 years of progressive/moderate rulership was cut short

Well the important thing is that the moderates compromised. How were they to know that the fascists couldn’t be trusted?

This is Charlie-Brown-with-the-football levels of gullible.

FiniteBanjo,

Yeah, probably one of the few cases where it actually would have been better for the government to remain in shutdown.

TwigletSparkle,

But now he’s a genocidal, zionist bastard

NeatNit,

If you think it’s that simple you have no clue how controversial he is, and has been for roughly the entire time (increasing over the years). Israel isn’t (yet?) stuck in a two-party system, so there’s lots of different parties. Needless to say, Likkud (his party) does not get 50% of the votes. It is the largest party most of the time but not a majority.

The previous government formed with parties from opposite sides of the spectrum just to keep the Likkud out. It didn’t last long, but neither did any of Bibi’s governments in the preceding 2 years - we’ve had a political crisis because no one wanted to work with him because he’s so controversial. The only reason he won the last election is that some parties on the left didn’t pass the threshold to be represented (basically throwing away their votes) and he partnered with extremist parties on the far-right, which he previously wouldn’t have lowered himself to but he was desperate to return to power. No one would partner with him but them.

As for the number of votes Likkud does get - yeah, it’s a lot, but so are Trump voters (or pick your least favourite party/politician in your country) and it wouldn’t be fair to generalise and say all Americans support Trump, would it? Not to mention, you only get to pick from the candidates that are available.

FWIW I voted against him, to the party that didn’t pass the threshold :( it was the first time in their history this happened IIRC

blazera,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

Likud doesnt get a majority, but it does get a plurality for a reason. Its also far from the only murderous zionist party, the coalition formed is absolutely a majority. Even if people didnt vote for netanyahu, most of them voted for a murderous zionist party. Netanyahu isnt doing this alone.

anas,

While it’s fair that they’re protesting for their hostages to be returned, this headline puts them in a completely different light. I don’t believe anyone is actually protesting for a ceasefire.

untorquer,

Article specifically quotes about the people being hostages of respective political leadership. Albeit a somewhat moderate take in context, still rather antiauthoritarian which tends to be anti war/genocide.

nonailsleft,

Some of them want their government to go in harder

Lucidlethargy,

This is correct. I can’t find anything at all claiming this protest has anything to do with stopping the Palestinian genocide for the sake of humanity.

They just want their hostages back, according to what I’ve been able to find. Can anyone show significant support for the contrary?

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