Biden administration is sending $1 billion more in weapons, ammo to Israel, congressional aides say

The Biden administration has told key lawmakers it is sending a new package of more than $1 billion in arms and ammunition to Israel, three congressional aides said Tuesday.

It’s the first arms shipment to Israel to be announced by the administration since it put another arms transfer — consisting of 3,500 bombs — on hold this month. The administration has said it paused that earlier transfer to keep Israel from using the bombs in its growing offensive in the crowded southern Gaza city of Rafah.

gravitas_deficiency,

Jesus tapdancing christ he just can’t fucking help scoring an own-goal. What the actual fuck.

I’ve been trying to be as magnanimous and politically pragmatic as I can, but this is straight up idiotic. Come the fuck on, Biden. You are going to throw the whole fucking election if you keep this up.

IamAnonymous,

This is what I don’t understand. He might lose Michigan this time without the support of the Arab-Americans. Last time he won by a narrow margin.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

It’s still months away. He’s probably waiting.

IamAnonymous,

Yeah, probably. But this is not like student loans. How many more lives will be lost in the next few months if he waits to order a ceasefire.

shikitohno,

When you think he might finally be correcting course, he just immediately goes and undoes it.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think he cares

gravitas_deficiency, (edited )

I think he kinda does, but at the same time he’s too fucking old and set in his boomer ways. I’m beginning to suspect that he may be incapable of understanding why the youths can’t just sEe tHinGs hiS WaY.

WarmApplePieShrek,

he doesn’t care as long as progressives lose, he doesn’t care whether biden or trump wins

gravitas_deficiency,

wtf are you talking about

WarmApplePieShrek,

Biden and his donors want to block someone like AOC or Bernie from getting in power. They’re fine with Trump getting in power.

FuglyDuck,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

So. do you think Netanyahu pinched his nose or something. you know. while biden was sucking his dick off? “withhold weapons, are you…?”

it’d be nice if one of the most powerful men in the world actually had a fucking spine.

MxM111,
@MxM111@kbin.social avatar

Biden withhold and still withholding bombs. I am actually not sure if it is wise decision in terms of civilian casualties - I am not sure where more civilians will die - with precision bombing and ground attack or just ground attack (supported by tanks and artillery).

FuglyDuck,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Yes because we really need to give them something…. It’s awfully unfair otherwise…

distantsounds,

It’s the first arms shipment to Israel to be revealed since the administration put another arms transfer, consisting of 3,500 bombs of up to 2,000 pounds each, on hold this month.

With bombs that size, they want the casualties.

MxM111,
@MxM111@kbin.social avatar

It is up to, not just 2000 pounds.

Tryptaminev,

“precision bombing” You toss 2,000 pounds of explosive onto an area. That has a lethal radius of about 380m, or a lethal area of 0.45km². Rafah has 1.5 million people sheltered in an area of 64km² So 23,400 people / km²

So each of that bomb puts on average 10,500 people at risk of death or serious injury.

This is not to excuse sending other weapons. Anyone who still sends weapons or any form of military equipment or money to Israel now is willfully complicit in war crimes, massacres and genocide.

MxM111,
@MxM111@kbin.social avatar

It is not 2000 pounds, it is “up to 2000”.

Tryptaminev,

So we are only talking 5,000 people at risk with every bomb? Or maybe only 2,000? Well that is a steal!

MxM111,
@MxM111@kbin.social avatar

I understand that lemmy behaves as if Israel is completely reckless and even has as his goal to kill as many civilians as possible. This is not the case if you look at the numbers. If you look here: https://civiliansinconflict.org/our-work/conflict-trends/urban-warfare/ then you see that typical ratio of civilians killed in urban conflicts is 90% or 1:9 (military:civilian).

If you go with 14000 Hamas fighters killed and 35,000 total killed, that means that 21, 000 civilians killed (this number, by the way includes natural deaths and death from Hamas rockets malfunctioning and falling inside Gaza). This is ratio 1:1.4. If you go with Israeli civilian casualties estimations, then the ratio will be close 1:1. But even with Hamas reported numbers, the ratio of civilian deaths is 6 times better than in typical urban warfare. Far from general perception that Israel being reckless.

It is quite possible that it is partly due to precision bombing and that removing this resource from Israel arsenal will have negative effect on civilian to military death ratio.

Tryptaminev,

Israel declares anyone who is male and at least teenage as killed Hamas fighter. There is dozens of videos of clearly unarmed civilians being executed by the IDF. Their numbers of alleged Hamas fighters are highly unreliable.

MxM111,
@MxM111@kbin.social avatar

I have not seen anyone with reputation claiming that. Hamas itself does not object against these claims. And at this point even if they are inflated by factor of two, it would be still good ratios.

Also, the ratio of civilians killed versus military fighters killed was good for Israel in the past. And nobody objected that either.

As for clearly civilians being killed - of course they are. But IDF is not Hamas - they do not target civilians on purpose, and as numbers show, they are quite accurate in killing fighters. Are there IDF fuck ups who actually want and kill some civilians? Most likely. In any large scale military such things exist, but they are exceptions which are investigated. IDF is no different than any other military in that respect, including US.

I understand that echo chamber exist here on fediverse, but the more I study the actual facts more I come to conclusion that the citiation is quite different as most here trying to paint. People react on videos that a) difficult to understand without context b) in terms of statistics are exceptions, not a rule. The overall situation is different and you can’t make conclusions by couple videos.

Viking_Hippie,

I know that it’s beside the point, but just FYI: in most cases, pinching the nose of someone blowing you does nothing since the vast majority (all?) of humans can’t breathe in through their nose while their mouth is full and vigorously sucking.

All it does is expose you as an ignorant jerk 🤷

FuglyDuck,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

All it does is expose you as an ignorant jerk 🤷

If one does it, yes. I suspect Netanyahu is the type.

Viking_Hippie, (edited )

True. Didn’t mean to imply that YOU specifically do it, in case that’s how it came off btw, I intended it as the generalized you 😁

FuglyDuck,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

No worries!

livus,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

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    girlfreddy,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    They said ‘vast majority’, not ‘all’.

    index,

    They have the spine to laugh at all the peasants below them, i think it’s someone else lacking spine

    nobleshift,
    @nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

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    venusaur,
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    Tell your politicians to support RCV legislation:

    Fair Representation Act p2a.co/ZraNU5n

    Voter Choice Act p2a.co/9OZd4JL

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Please do not respond to multiple comments with the same post. That is essentially spamming, no matter how well-intentioned you are.

    venusaur,
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    U got it

    beardown,

    Why should we believe that a more equitable voting system would solve this issue? Or any similar issues?

    To be sure, ranked choice voting would result in some improvements to the United States, and should be supported on that basis. But it would do nothing to modify the current structure wherein oligarchs rule the United States with impunity. It’s just that this would empower the neoliberal Democratic oligarchs rather than the fascist Republican oligarchs. Which is harm reduction and is therefore preferable, but is not a meaningful solution - especially to something as entrenched as Zionism

    venusaur,
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    We would have to dismantle capitalism entirely and a huge cultural shift to fix that. Huge spending caps on campaigns would be a good start.

    RCV allows people to vote for candidates of a third party without wasting a vote like they would now. The problem is that much of society is brainwashed with red vs. blue politics and it would take a long time for everybody to get on the same page about a third party candidate.

    beardown,

    I agree.

    And, again, RCV and campaign finance reform would certainly be an improvement.

    But the root issue would remain untouched. And eventually, the ruling class would find ways to grossly manipulate that system to their own ends as well - or would gradually chip away at it through the judiciary that they control

    These proposals should be adopted nevertheless. But we should be clear-eyed about what they will and will not accomplish

    gravitas_deficiency,

    Because the electoral and voting systems in the US are, respectively, intentionally undemocratic and extremely inconsistent depending on the state.

    RCV for national elections would materially address the former, and enforcing RCV as the system to use for all elections at all levels would materially address the latter.

    I am not claiming RCV (or any other similar/related system) would be a panacea, but it would be a damn sight better than the intentionally flawed shitshow we have to use now.

    flames5123,

    STAR voting is so much better than RCV. RCV is only marginally better than first past the post.

    venusaur,
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    is it just RCV with 5 rankings, or you rank every candidate?

    flames5123,

    You can rank every candidate, so you can give multiple people 5’s. If you can’t decide between them. In RCV, if 51% vote #1 for candidate A, 49% vote #1 for candidate B, but 100% vote #2 for candidate C, the winner is still candidate A even though everyone voted for C. Everyone would’ve been a little satisfied. In STAR, if everyone put 4’s for C, they would win.

    venusaur,
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    Most people would still give A and B 5’s or 4’s, so C still loses even if they get all 4’s, no?

    flames5123,

    You total all of the points. So say 100 people with the 51/49 doing A/B at 5, and all 100 do C at 4. A would have 255 points, B would have 245 points, and C would have 400. C wins by a landslide.

    venusaur, (edited )
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    Ah right assuming A and B are opposing candidates. Kind of a way to eliminate the most popular opposing candidates in a runoff assuming there is a middle of the road candidate that everybody likes.

    In RCV this might be translated differently tho. Maybe 26% vote C #1, 49% A #1, 25% B #1 with C #2, then in runoff, C would win.

    I don’t see everybody liking the same candidate for #2.

    flames5123,

    It’s more of an example how a more popular candidate can lose because RCV still depends on first past the post and isn’t that much better. It’s not translated by points. Everyone gets #1 first. If anyone has 51%, they win and we’re done. If no one has 51%, then we eliminate the least popular candidate, transferring the votes. This continues until one is at 51%. RCV is a bandaid.

    Check out this CGP Grey video about RCV: youtu.be/3Y3jE3B8HsE

    venusaur,
    @venusaur@lemmy.world avatar

    Is anybody using Star voting now? I just feel like it can be gamed. If you want your major candidate to win, you wouldn’t rank anybody else highly.

    Thanks for the video. I totally agree that there are other voting systems like approval voting that may be better, but lots of traction with RCV already. Can be a stepping stone to other voting systems. Perfect is the enemy of good enough. Gotta take baby steps.

    Mango,

    Well, so far as the decision makers are concerned, the lesson is that we always win. It’s just unfortunate that what’s important doesn’t matter to them and they do not represent us.

    andrew,
    @andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun avatar

    Nonsense! We will write that history so that we’re clearly the good guys!

    Unless you’re saying it’s possible we’ve not always been the good guys but surely that’s not it.

    retrospectology,
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    Which is why so many people simply cannot put their name in support of Biden and AIPAC democrats.

    There’s pragmatic politics and then there’s supporting actual genocide. For many people that line is something they just won’t ever compromise on because it’s so unequivocally immoral, there’s no justification to actively support it.

    Personally if he doesn’t reverse course there’s no way I’m voting for this. I’ve lived through one Trump presidency, I’ll do it again if I have to and find other ways to resist.

    If Democrats can’t do better than genocide they can’t demand my vote.

    nobleshift,
    @nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

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    retrospectology,
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    No, who said that? Voting uncommitted is a valid third option when Democrats don’t give you someone you can morally vote for.

    Ellecram,

    Not a genocide. It’s war.

    retrospectology,
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    No. It is a genocide.

    Even Netanyahu admitted it was analagous to the genocide of the Amakelites in the Torah fairy tale.

    There is no debate here, it is a genocide and you are a supporter.

    jumjummy,

    What a completely foolish take. “I won’t vote for Biden, I’ll just vote for the guy who wants to be a dictator and who cares even less about Palestine”

    Russian troll or a completely deluded and/or privileged person who “lived through one Trump presidency”.

    I can’t begin to stress how completely, off the rails, crayon eating levels of stupidity this approach is.

    retrospectology,
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    Who said I was voting for Trump?

    Biden can easily get my vote, there’s literally only one thing he has to do; stop supporting genocide. It’s not rocket science. Don’t like the idea of him losing? Then you need to be doing everything in your power to communicate to him that he needs to do a 180 on this issue. People aren’t going to vote for him because you try to badger and shame them, didn’t work in 2016, won’t work now.

    jumjummy,

    Sadly with how the US general election works, if your not voting for Biden, it just helps Trump. You know his supporters don’t care about Israel, the Middle East, women, LGBT people, etc., so they’re not holding back.

    If Trump wins, none of your rhetoric will excuse where we end up, and yes Biden and the current lobbying groups so entrenched with Israel have their share of the blame, but absolutely so do the voters who let it happen.

    Viking_Hippie,

    Are these motherfuckers TRYING to lose the election and thus democracy to a fascist conman?! 🤦

    Tryptaminev,

    Yes they are. They rather want Trump to win, than to end a genocide. And people are gaslighting themselves happily to suck up to the Dems instead of saying: “We will vote for you, but only, when you end this genocide and bring justice and peace to the people.”

    And the Reps are having a blast over it, because they know that the DNCs are their buddies in exploiting the normal Americans and murdering people outside the US.

    shikitohno,

    And people are gaslighting themselves happily to suck up to the Dems instead of saying: “We will vote for you, but only, when you end this genocide and bring justice and peace to the people.”

    Not just that, but they’re twisting themselves into knots to try and convince people that unconditionally supporting Biden is the better option than continuing to pressure him to stop this and calling out his terrible stance here. Sure, everyone can vote as they please come election day, but we’re a touch under 6 months out and people are all over this site browbeating anyone who doesn’t toe the line and going “Don’t you dare criticize our savior, Biden! If you say he needs to stop enabling Israel’s genocide, you’re just a Russian disinformation agent trying to keep people from voting so that fascists take over and murder all the minorities in the US. They’ll probably double murder Palestinians, even!”

    jumjummy,

    There’s a difference between criticizing, protesting, etc. but that’s not what people are advocating for here. It’s either “don’t vote” or “don’t vote for Biden in the General Election”.

    You see the difference right? Once that general election comes, Trump winning would be absolutely catastrophic for the US, so unless you’re a Russian plant, or one of those “let it all burn down” people, there isn’t much choice.

    shikitohno,

    Damn, you got me, I missed the part where I said not to vote for Biden under any circumstances.

    Way to prove the point. Elections are not today, there is no reason not to continue to criticize Biden and pressure him to change his position in a meaningful way in order to make him more electable for those who won’t support him if he continues his current policy, and along you come with the same tired shtick to say “If you don’t bend over backwards to sing his praises, you’re a Russian plant!”

    If Biden actually changed his stance in a meaningful way, there’s still plenty of time for him to win back those voters, but you folks come along running to shout out “But Trump!!!” once anyone suggests that maybe giving him unconditional support no matter how shitty his stances are isn’t the best way to convince him to not be just as awful while he still has time to do so.

    jumjummy,

    Ok, so vote for the guy who will literally make all of this worse. You won’t have to worry about a genocide in another part of the world because there would be some starting up right at home.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Genocide Joe is a fascist con-man. Anyone defending this is a hardcore tankie.

    Amoxtli,

    Correct, Joe Biden is the fascist here.

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    In a democracy, you can vote for whichever fascist party you like

    Amoxtli,

    They only want your loyalty.

    Viking_Hippie,

    And by that, you mean obedience.

    zerog_bandit,

    Lol, go ahead and vote for Trump. If you think what’s going on now is “genocide”, just wait and see…

    Viking_Hippie,

    What part of correctly identifying him as a fascist conman did you think looked like an endorsement? 🤦

    And yes, Israel is by the official definition committing genocide.

    mightyfoolish,

    Read the room.

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Trump’s the best thing to happen to Biden. He has a blank check to do whatever he likes, knowing full well the only response is “Trump will be worse”

    Viking_Hippie,

    Yeah, he’d never had become president in the first place if not for a horrible alternative.

    Now that he’s been for a few years of him mostly being the same conservative he was as a senator, it’s even more obvious that there’s going to be many times more votes AGAINST Trump than FOR Biden.

    I just hope he doesn’t alienate so many people with his steadfast support of, even participation in, the genocide bring peroetrated by a fascist apartheid regime that he actually loses the second most winnable presidential election in US history (the most easily winnable being 2020) to someone who’s objectively much worse for the country and thus the world…

    WarmApplePieShrek,

    Biden’s the best thing to happen to Trump. Trump’s going to win.

    3volver,

    Another step closer to getting an orange criminal as president from 2025 to 2029. What an absurd joke. Don’t make the majority feel like their voice isn’t being heard for too long, it’s never a good idea to do that.

    seanziepples,

    More like 2025 to indefinitely. Say goodbye to the 2-term limit if the tangerine becomes president.

    3volver,

    Nah. There’s no way the orange man would get more than 4 years. If he tried, we would see a nation wide shut down, the riots would be beyond anything we’ve ever seen in this country. The people with money know they wouldn’t make more money trying that, so it won’t happen. Biden is already helping them enough.

    WarmApplePieShrek,

    He will become president, but he’s too stupid to override the term limit.

    Epicmulch,

    I’m so very confused by this situation. For those who are against supporting Israel. Can you explain to me rationally why you think Hamas doesn’t deserve to be wiped out after Oct 7th? I’m not denying the civilian casualties I agree it is unacceptably high But that doesn’t caragotize what’s happening as a genocide. But Hamas has said they want a high casualty rate they are using their civilians as human shields. Would you really suggest Hamas should just be able to get away with Oct 7th because they are hiding behind their people. Like what is your answer if you were the one making the choice here? Please I know this is an inflammatory topic but I promise I’m only trying to understand your opinion on the matter.

    givesomefucks,

    Can you explain to me rationally why you think Hamas doesn’t deserve to be wiped out after Oct 7th?

    …

    You want me to explain why a foreign government shouldn’t be “wiped out” for a war crime?

    By that logic, why shouldn’t Israel’s government be “wiped out” for the attacks on civilians leading up to it?

    Or at least for their actions after it where they killed 10x more civilians and destroyed billions in infrastructure?

    And that’s not even getting into how Israels government draws no distinction from someone who lives and Gaza and belongs to Hamas.

    Your logic just doesn’t seem to be consistent, and you’re focusing on the one time Hamas did anything comparable to how Israel has treated Palestinian civilians over 70 years…

    Epicmulch,

    Yes I want you to explain how the extreme brutality of what Hamas soldiers did on Oct 7th compares to Israel relating. Have you watched the videos? I’m not denying the treatment of Palestine citizens by Israel but that does not give Hamas the right to do what they did on Oct 7th. Again watch the videos Hamas themselves recorded during the attack. They killed those people because their religion told them to. Hamas themselves said they will keep doing it again and again. I understand the death toll is high. But again what would you rather do? I’m just trying to understand your logic. I don’t know how to wage war but I can take an educated guess that it’s pretty difficult to tell the difference between a Gaza citizen and a Hamas solders as they don’t wear any kind of uniform and purposely hide amongst civilians. I’m not defending killing civilians in asking what your alternative strategy would be. Or how you think Israel and us should respond. Because zero response is an unacceptable answer.

    givesomefucks,

    …

    So why aren’t you calling for Israel’s government to be wiped out when they’ve spent decades killing way more civilians?

    I don’t think you understand that part.

    If you think that should happen to Hamas, but not Israel’s government.

    Then you’re just saying Palestinians have no human rights but Israelis do.

    Like, you’re mad at someone punching back, but not the person who spent decades punching first.

    Epicmulch,

    Well if I’m being honest from what I know it sure doesn’t seem like Israel punched first. Can you educate me in what you mean by killing more civilians? Like are you talking about similar retaliatory attacks killing civilians more civilians. Because currently I understand why is Israel is killing more civilians. I’m not arguing it’s right. I don’t think there is a right answer here. I do think the context of the attacks matters. Hamas has stated very clearly they intend on perpetrating Oct 7th again and again. Jews being in their holy land is literally against their religion they have said this repeatedly. You can ask a Hamas solder why he’s fighting and he will tell you this. Can you provide an alternative to what Israel is doing? I’ve asked several times. I wish I had an answer.

    givesomefucks,

    Here’s an example from 2021

    abcnews.go.com/International/…/story?id=77685310

    But you keep saying you have no knowledge on this subject at all…

    You shouldn’t be asking for random social media accounts to explain shit like this.

    Like, is this really how you think it’s best to learn about geopolitics?

    Asking strangers online?

    It’s not like this is some crazy niche.

    It’s just hard for me to believe you’re sincerely asking these questions and are so opinionated that Israel is in the right. I’m not responding anymore.

    Epicmulch,

    I didn’t say I have no knowledge of the subject or did I ask you to teach me geopolitics. I asked you to explain your opinion on the matter. When it comes to understanding someone’s opinion I find it best to ask the person directly. But you haven’t really responded to any of my questions so I’m still pretty confused about it for the most part. I’ll read the article you posted. But it seems you think the civilian casualties give Hamas the right to do what they did and Israel just should take it and not respond. If this is what you think definitely disagree. It’s ok if you don’t believe me. All I can do is say what I’m doing and you take it however you want.

    Womble,

    But it seems you think the civilian casualties give Hamas Israel the right to do what they did and Israel Gazans just should take it and not respond. If this is what you think definitely disagree. It’s ok if you don’t believe me. All I can do is say what I’m doing and you take it however you want.

    Why is that not equally valid?

    Epicmulch, (edited )

    Be more specific about what you’re talking about and I can respond. Different people and circumstances matters. Context is important.

    small44,

    Many example in history of resistance groups killed innocent people like in algeria and the Mau Mau. Does that made britain and france good guys?

    zerog_bandit,

    Burning babies in their cribs and slaughtering mothers in front of daughters is not a valid form of protest.

    givesomefucks,

    So why didn’t we do anything when Israel is doing even worse?

    Literally, right now they’re doing worse to a lot more people…

    And before 10/7, they were still doing worse to even more people…

    So why focus on that one day and ignore literally everything else?

    Like, you realize the people from Hamas on 10/7 are the families of Israels prior victims?

    If Israel is justified in what they’re doing because of 10/7, why wasn’t 10/7 justified?

    If none of it is acceptable, why are you only focusing on the one day Israel’s were the victim over every other day they were the attackers?

    zerog_bandit, (edited )

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    givesomefucks,

    Sure, so you want to treat this conflict like it didn’t start on 10/7. Ok.

    I don’t know why a logical peraon wouldn’t…

    Or why I should continue conversations with people who do

    zerog_bandit,

    Lol, literally left speechless by the truth. I win 😀

    T00l_shed,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/cf25389e-64c4-4251-9221-3110bd4d5185.jpeg

    mightyfoolish,

    Only the desperate do suicide attacks. It’s sad that they even have to resort to such things. They weren’t militants. I heard some of them were young adults who had nothing else to live for.

    They couldn’t attack anyone if their land wasn’t stolen.

    Jews still exist in Iraq. Israel pretended to be Arab terrorists and tried to trick them into becoming Israelis. It didn’t work. Israelis allies made Yemen HELL for everyone. That’s when Israel capitalized and took in Yemeni Jews. Israel absorbed the Levantine Jews.

    France helped with the Suez Canal thing. They knew they will betray Egypt. Israel’s creation was a giant backstapping. At every step.

    I know you drunk the koolaid as soon as you mentioned Arabs have cleansed the area of Jews. The real truth is the Arab culture absorbed everyone in the region. The Philistines, Judahites, Isrealites, Arameans, Lihyanites, etc. You clearly have been forced fed lies and propaganda your whole life.

    Also, stop crying about down votes when talking about a sensitive issue. Are you really going to break down every time the rain of lies that makes up your upbringing gets challenged?

    zerog_bandit,

    Wow not even trying to hide the Nazi ideology anymore with the “stab in the back” rhetoric? Real mask off moment.

    In 1947 there were 156,000 Jews living in Iraq. Today there are three. Just like , you lie through your teeth.

    You spout this nonsense about false flag attacks yet provide no proof. This is the exact same nonsense as Kristallnacht. Funny enough, the Arab world embraced Nazism whole cloth. “Religion of peace”.

    You say that the land in Israel was stolen. You also say that Yemeni Jews were forced to relocate to Israel. How are both possible? The amount of mental gymnastics to try to rationalize the pro Hamas position is insanity.

    mightyfoolish,

    Wow, I did not reliaze there was an Israeli operation to also move all of the Iraqi Jews to Israel. So, Israeli has now relocated all Arab Jews which lasted till… the formation of Israel. Where is this Arab cleansing? The Israelis cleansed the Arab lands of its Jews.

    You say that the land in Israel was stolen. You also say that Yemeni Jews were forced to relocate to Israel. How are both possible?

    What is the conflict here?

    Did you know Germany had to make an official statement to correct Isreal. Israel tried to blame the Holocaust on the “Sharif of Jerusalem.” Germany said (about a month ago), “No, that was us.”

    zerog_bandit,

    Massive victim blaming. “We didn’t ethnically cleanse them, we just slaughtered them by the thousands, banned their religion and them owning property. They left on their own!”

    I’m not surprised someone defending Hamas is ready to blame the victim. That whole side of the world has a pretty bad track record on women’s rights.

    mightyfoolish,

    I’m not defending Hamas. I’m noting that Arab Jews existed until Israel had operations to absorb them.

    “We didn’t ethnically cleanse them, we just slaughtered them by the thousands, banned their religion and them owning property. They left on their own!”

    Is this an IDF quote from Gaza? Is this about the auctioned land?

    anas,

    you gotta update your manual, these lines don’t work anymore

    Amoxtli, (edited )

    There is no point in trying to understand the situation. This is the usual pointless American foreign policy.

    Epicmulch, (edited )

    I dont even disagree with you. A depressing fact.

    SwingingTheLamp,

    I think Ben-Gvir’s latest comments about a “true solution” put to bed any debate about whether it’s a genocide.

    Delusional,

    God damn it’d be great if we could stop supporting the fascist religious shitheads in charge of Israel.

    TropicalDingdong,

    Biden doesn’t want to win this election.

    Do you get it yet? We have to move on past Biden if we don’t want Trump.

    MxM111,
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    Move where? If not Biden, then Trump this election.

    venusaur,
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    DeadPand,

    Maybe vote all D but abstain from the Pres vote, who knows anymore

    Linkerbaan,
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    If people didn’t PTSD themselves into staying with Biden for the last 7 months we’d have a different candidate by now.

    This election has the worst two candidates ever. If this isn’t the time to jump ship then it will never happen.

    AmbiguousProps,

    For real, Biden should not have been the candidate, and now we’re stuck with him.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    There’s still 6 months. I liked what Cornel West told Mehdi Hasan during his interview. It was along the lines of

    “I’m not likely to win but if all the stars align then I can’t capitalize on it if I wasn’t there”.

    A lot of life comes down to participating and a large part of the result can be luck. Even if there’s a 1/3000 chance that a third party would win, this would be one of the more likely elections in which that could happen if a massive migration wave happens from the Democrats to a third party candidate.

    Most people are voting Democrat because they feel there’s no other option. The second they feel the wind blowing differently they will jump ship.

    mightyfoolish,

    At this point all we can do is pray and hope the ballots get hit with a heatwave and the name checked on them smear into a third party candidate’s name while gamma waves do the same with the digital ballots.

    It really feels like people in this country don’t want a better future. They truely want the best of two awful ones but only for themselves, screw everyone not in your immediate vicinity.

    Amoxtli,

    The Deep State is more than just Joe Biden.

    nondescripthandle,

    If people wont break the duopoly when the lesser of two evils turns into the lesser of two genocides then they will never break away. Nothing will convince these people to actually support other parties and Im tired of hearing them pretend that’s not true.

    NegativeInf,

    Past Biden? No one else is even on all the ballots in all the necessary states to even come close to 270.

    I’m just happy we don’t have an idiot saying “Nuke 'em all to glass” like my conservative father.

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    HuntressHimbo,

    In semi convinced the way forward would be to remove biden from office on January 1st after voting him in. Deny Trump and then tell the dems absolutely not try fucking harder.

    TropicalDingdong,

    He can pass along his delegates at the convention.

    Still time to switch it up.

    mightyfoolish,

    Usually I say something bad about Biden. How about I try to defend him this time? He can’t help himself. It’s kind of like a tick. Some of us are alcoholics while others need to complete a genocide in order to start an end of world event… None of us are perfect.

    Amoxtli,

    Biden loyalists still believe they are the good guys. I am pretty sure, when Julius Caesar marched into Gaul, that the Roman army thought of themselves as bad guys… We know where Biden supporters stand. Did the Nazis believe they were the bad guys? Government psy-ops a success on a huge segment of the population.

    SkyezOpen,

    Got it, voting trump instead. He’ll stop the genocide.

    Amoxtli,

    I will give the benefit of the doubt to Trump, since never-Trumpers rather be complicit in genocide just to keep the evil Orange Man away. I am voting for Trump just to spite Biden. That is democracy baby.

    SkyezOpen,

    Lol. Lmao even.

    givesomefucks,
    1. Why are you so sure no amount of pressure from voters will ever make Biden stop funding a genocide?
    2. Do you believe he’s like this about everything or just the genocide of brown people?
    3. Why do you support a candidate for the Dem nomination who doesn’t listen to the people he needs votes from?
    SkyezOpen,
    1. It might but it better happen fast if he wants to gain back any protest votes.
    2. Fuck if I know. It’s tradition at this point. How far in us president history do we have to go to find a president that didn’t kill a bunch of brown people?
    3. I don’t support biden. I’ll give him credit for the good shit he did but I’m voting for him to avoid the US becoming a theocratic fascist state… Faster than it already is at least.
    givesomefucks,

    but I’m voting for him to avoid the US becoming a theocratic fascist state…

    It’s not avoiding it, it’s making it happen slower.

    I think you’ve forgotten how religious Biden is and how much he’s talked about that influencing his positions.

    Why do you think he’s essentially ignored Roe V Wade being overturned? He doesn’t want abortion to be legal due to his religious views.

    He did an executive order, but it accomplished nothing. And that was just because midterms were coming.

    And the way he’s encouraging cops to go after peaceful protesters?

    He’s saying the same bullshit about protesters trump said about BLM protesters.

    Biden isn’t against fascism, he’s against the other team being in charge of it.

    That’s what happens when one side turns the fascism up to 11, and the only other option is obsessed with meeting them half way.

    The best result is slightly more than half fascist.

    And that hurts turnout, and low turnout is when the fascists win.

    The best way to stop the fascists, is to fight them, not compromise with them. That shit doesn’t work.

    SkyezOpen,

    It’s making it happen slower

    Yeah, I literally acknowledged that.

    I’m voting for him to avoid the US becoming a theocratic fascist state… Faster than it already is at least.

    The best way to stop the fascists, is to fight them, not compromise with them. That shit doesn’t work.

    So what, don’t vote and do direct action instead?

    archomrade,

    Withholding support is direct action.

    SkyezOpen,

    Direct action to support a fascist takeover of America. Fuck’s sake have we learned nothing from his first 4 years? Hillary was a flaming piece of shit but if she won we would still have reproductive rights in America.

    archomrade,

    It’s the same as threatening a union strike to force concessions for collective bargaining.

    The strike isn’t the goal, but being willing to do it gives you power to negotiate.

    SkyezOpen,

    Again, Hillary was such a huge piece of shit that the voter turnout wasn’t there. Trump was the result of that protest. Dems responded by giving us biden. They won’t learn. Biden also barely changed course from the primary protest vote.

    archomrade,

    Hilary lost because she chose to alienate her progressive caucus and run a campaign focused on her opponent instead of her own policies.

    Now that you mention it that does sound familiar. Biden should have the benefit of hindsight.

    SkyezOpen,

    Like I said. They won’t learn 🤷

    Soggy,

    A strike means things stop. A protest vote means things go backwards, as if there was an entire workforce of scabs waiting to swoop in when the strike starts. There’s no leverage.

    archomrade,

    A strike means things stop. A protest vote means things go backwards

    Think of everything leading up to the election as the strike, and the company going bankrupt from the strike as the result of the election.

    Amoxtli,

    Joe Biden isn’t religious. He is a progressive activist. He is the clown, and you are in his circus. Furthermore, he and Nancy Pelosi are globalist first, progressives first, nationalist last, Christians last.

    Amoxtli, (edited )

    Oh yes, because Christianity is so evil, it proliferated compassion across the world. It ended slavery, created Just War Theory (a moral approach to war), proliferated the concept of human rights It culturally ingrained into its followers the concept of secularism, and egalitarianism. How far the democrat party has fallen. They fear the Bible and Orange Man so much, genocide is an acceptable trade-off. You must really hate Jesus.

    givesomefucks,

    Oh yes, because Christianity is so evil,

    It is…

    it proliferated compassion across the world

    It didn’t…

    It ended slavery

    The Bible is pro slavery…

    created Just War Theory (a moral approach to war),

    Lol

    proliferated the concept of human rights

    It supports fucking slavery and says a wife is a husband property, and sexual acts unless for reproduction is a sin and should be illegal…

    I’m not going to keep going, because I haven’t hit a truthful thing you’ve said yet.

    Amoxtli,

    Are you aware that Western culture is Christian culture? Was Jesus a poor man or a rich man? Was he submissive or a conquering hero? The greatness of a man is his accomplishments… is it not?

    The Bible is pro slavery…

    You must think that atheist ended slavery, that the Civil Rights Movement was atheist. Martin Luther King Jr was an atheist???

    It didn’t…

    Right, because creating the first welfare system was an act of inhumanity. Feeding and clothing the poor was an egregious act.

    The humble, meek, Christian fundamentalist who devotes his life to poverty is absolutely disgusting. For some people, poverty is disgusting.

    I had to chuckle at a left-winger the other day when he told me “communist are anti-religion,” then I prepare for it, a link that shows that Christian Communism existed long before the Bolshevik Revolution. Communism comes from the Bible. Read the Book of Acts, Acts of the Apostles, read your Bible, and learn the scripts of your program

    SkyezOpen,

    The humble, meek, Christian fundamentalist who devotes his life to poverty is absolutely disgusting. For some people, poverty is disgusting.

    The staggering irony. Find me a self proclaimed fundie Christian in government who has actually tried to help poor people.

    Amoxtli,

    Find me this, find me that. Who are you, my mother?

    SkyezOpen,

    My dude, your religion got hijacked.

    BlackNo1,

    fuck this goddam fucking system thats going to force me to vote for this old cunt

    ChillPenguin,

    Also fuck this system that makes us pay for this with our taxes.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Weekly Biden gaslighting complete, quick ship some $700m in tank shells they ran out shooting at tent camps in Rafah!

    The package disclosed Tuesday includes about $700 million for tank ammunition, $500 million in tactical vehicles and $60 million in mortar rounds, the congressional aides said. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an arms transfer that has not yet been made public.

    So that’s 1.36 Billion.

    Viking_Hippie,

    What’s an extra $360m between friends and war criminals?

    TokenBoomer,

    Tents are Hamas.

    rez_doggie,

    I hate warmongering amerikkka

    AmbiguousProps,

    What a shocker. God, I wish I could afford to leave this country so that my tax dollars weren’t funneled directly to this genocide.

    SlopppyEngineer,

    You still have to pay USA income tax abroad unless you renounce your citizenship.

    Emma_Gold_Man,

    Not necessarily. There is a foreign earned income exclusion, so if you pay income taxes on it in the country where you’re living you don’t pay taxes to the US.

    Professorozone,

    Up to a max. So paying a little in the foreign country will not invalidate ALL taxes owed in the US. You might still owe some. Just FYI.

    Emma_Gold_Man,

    $126,500 per person, plus another $20,240 in housing expenses. Plus your $13,850 standard deduction (though if you’re making that much you’re probably itemizing for more). So $160,590 for an individual or $321,180 for married filing jointly. That’s assuming no kids and no other deductions or credits - which is pretty unlikely at that income level.

    $160,590 is the 93rd percentile for US income distribution. So yeah, if you (AND your partner, if any) are both in the top 7% income bracket, bad at tax preparation, and don’t hire an accountant, you might still pay tax on the income over that amount. Of course, making that much while keeping the kind of ethics that let you care about anyone other than yourself is a nontrivial endeavor.

    Don’t forget that your foreign employer won’t be reporting to the IRS. So if your protest extends to not voluntarily reporting that excess income …

    Epicmulch,

    They literally are not.

    Daft_ish,

    I really hate doing this but where is that “protests work” guy?

    I’m, like, not against you but everytime you celebrate when a politician does their lip service gag I lose more respect for you.

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