Keeponstalin

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Keeponstalin, (edited )

Partition and later the Two-State Solution have been wielded by Israel to covet and annex as much Palestinian land as possible with the least amount of Palestinians.

Before 1948, Palestinian Leadership repeatedly advocated for a Unitary Binational State for decades.

The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948

Palestinian Arab Congress advocating for Unified State 1928

Arab Higher Committee advocating for Unified State 1937

Arab League advocating for Unified Binational State 1948

After the founding of Israel, the Two-State Solutions were utilized to further annex the Palestinian Occupied Territories and enact military control over Palestinians while denying them human and civil rights. Despite this, both Fatah and later Hamas have accepted a Two-State Solution on the 1967 borders, with the two most important factors being the Right of Return of Palestinian refugees and an end to the permanent occupation.

Oslo Accords MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ

History of peace process

Keeponstalin,

First of all, I’m talking about Israel, not all Jewish people. Israel has never and will never represent all Jewish people, regardless of how much they try to claim they do.

Now, the expulsions from the 1948 ethnic cleansing campaign Plan Dalet are directly responsible for concentrating the Palestinian populations into Gaza and the West Bank as well as the largest unresolved refugee crisis through denial of Right of Return. In 1967 Israel deliberately decided to occupy the West Bank and Gaza in order to begin settlements to de facto annex more palestinian population while denying Palestinians any human and civil rights. This occupation has only grown and has continued for decades to the present day.

You’re mistaken about the ‘peace talks’ post occupation. Israel has never had intentions for Palestinians to have an independent state. Additionally, they’ve never even let Palestinian leadership take part in the negotiations in any meaningful way. They’ve also continually rejected one of the most fundamental goals that all Palestinian leaders have advocated for, the Right of Return for the Palestinian refugees of 1948. Instead, Israel used these talks to create a De Juro justification for their annexation of the West Bank via settlements that began the moment they controlled the Occupued Palestinian Territories.

“We do not accept the Palestinian goal of an independent Palestinian state between Israel and Jordan. We believe there is a separate Palestinian entity short of a state.”

  • Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, 1993

The last link and the sources about the Oslo Accords go over this well. Israel has been the one to prevent any real Two-State Solution, so extensively that many prominent New Historians have said and discussed such in their works. It’s been a One-state reality for decades, which is why I advocate for a Binational One-state solution. Here is a bunch of articles about what a Two-State or a One-State solution would look like, plus some articles about what New Historians say on the subject.

I also want to say, I appreciate you being civil and taking a look into the sources I provided.

Keeponstalin, (edited )

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Hunger is most acute in northern Gaza, which has been isolated by Israeli forces and has suffered long cutoffs of food supplies. At least 20 people have died from malnutrition and dehydration at the north’s Kamal Adwan and Shifa hospitals, according to the Health Ministry. At the Emirati Hospital in Rafah, 16 premature babies have died of malnutrition-related causes over the past five weeks, one of the senior doctors told The Associated Press.

According to the Health Ministry in Gaza, at least 23 children and four adults have died of malnutrition and dehydration at hospitals in northern Gaza. The World Health Organization has warned of an “explosion” in child deaths if aid doesn’t reach people immediately.

For two million hungry Gazans, most days bring a difficult search for something to eat. The war, including Israel’s bombardment and siege, has choked food imports and destroyed agriculture, and nearly the entire population of Gaza relies on scant humanitarian aid to eat.

Over 64% of people in Gaza were food insecure before this latest Massacre due to the Blockade.

Keeponstalin, (edited )

Totally, it’s not like Israel has been deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure. Including ‘safe zones,’ many times without any warning.

According to the sources who spoke to +972 and Local Call, the targets in Gaza that have been struck by Israeli aircraft can be divided roughly into four categories. The first is “tactical targets,” which include standard military targets such as armed militant cells, weapon warehouses, rocket launchers, anti-tank missile launchers, launch pits, mortar bombs, military headquarters, observation posts, and so on.

The second is “underground targets” — mainly tunnels that Hamas has dug under Gaza’s neighborhoods, including under civilian homes. Aerial strikes on these targets could lead to the collapse of the homes above or near the tunnels.

The third is “power targets,” which includes high-rises and residential towers in the heart of cities, and public buildings such as universities, banks, and government offices. The idea behind hitting such targets, say three intelligence sources who were involved in planning or conducting strikes on power targets in the past, is that a deliberate attack on Palestinian society will exert “civil pressure” on Hamas.

The final category consists of “family homes” or “operatives’ homes.” The stated purpose of these attacks is to destroy private residences in order to assassinate a single resident suspected of being a Hamas or Islamic Jihad operative. However, in the current war, Palestinian testimonies assert that some of the families that were killed did not include any operatives from these organizations.

In the early stages of the current war, the Israeli army appears to have given particular attention to the third and fourth categories of targets. According to statements on Oct. 11 by the IDF Spokesperson, during the first five days of fighting, half of the targets bombed — 1,329 out of a total 2,687 — were deemed power targets.

“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly"

  • Yoav Gallant Minister of Defense
Keeponstalin,

Hamas = every international organization, independent news source, and every human rights org who is critical of Israel and Israeli propaganda. Gottem lol

Keeponstalin,

Palestinians live under Israeli Occupation and 50 years of dispossession. Palestinians are denied civil rights and subject to Military Court

At the mercy of Settler Violence, Torture and Abuse in Interrogations, have No freedom of movement, and also denied Water stolen and extorted by the occupying forces.

Palestinian Labor is also heavily exploited as they have no workers rights either: Haaretz, MEE, 972, CMEC

Gaza is under control by Israel’s Blockade which is still internationally recognized as Occupation.

Keeponstalin,

Let’s take a look at the history of Arab Israelis within Israel proper. First, after the 1948 ethnic cleansing, the remaining Palestinian population within the new Israel were subject to Israel Martial Law and Defence (Emergency) Regulations, later practiced in the occupied territories after 1967.

Even today Arab Israelis are discriminated against as second class citizens including Education (2001 report).

Not nearly as brutal as Palestinians living in East Jerusalem, the West Bank, or Gaza, but they all live under Israeli Military Control. This is Apartheid, by international definitions.

Three main international treaties prohibit and/or explicitly criminalize apartheid: the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD), the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (Apartheid Convention) and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (Rome Statute).

Amnesty lays this out very well in the first chapter of its report.

Amnesty International Report

Human Rights Watch Report

B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer

Keeponstalin,

Yes, that’s the point of the apartheid. Glad we agree.

Here’s a small fraction of just the summary of the Amnesty report. If you want details you will have to read it. Otherwise I do know of some videos that lay it out too.

Building on a growing body of work, Amnesty International has documented and analysed Israel’s institutionalized and systematic discrimination against Palestinians within the framework of the definition of apartheid under international law. This has aimed to determine whether discriminatory and exclusionary Israeli laws, policies and practices against Palestinians amount to apartheid as a violation of public international law, a serious human rights violation and a crime against humanity. It has done so by firstly determining Israel’s intent to oppress and dominate all Palestinians by establishing its hegemony across Israel and the OPT, including through means of demography, and maximizing resources for the benefit of its Jewish population at the expense of Palestinians. It has then analysed the laws, policies and practices which have, over time, come to constitute the main tools for establishing and maintaining this system, and which discriminate against and segregate Palestinians in Israel and the OPT today, as well as controlling Palestinian refugees’ right to return. It has conducted this analysis by examining the key components of this system of oppression and domination: territorial fragmentation; segregation and control through the denial of equal nationality and status, restrictions on movement, discriminatory family reunification laws, the use of military rule and restrictions on the right to political participation and popular resistance; dispossession of land and property; and the suppression of Palestinians’ human development and denial of their economic and social rights. Furthermore, it has documented specific inhuman and inhumane acts, serious human rights violations and crimes under international law, committed against the Palestinian population with the intent to maintain this system of oppression and domination.

Keeponstalin,

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Keeponstalin,

Under Israeli Occupation and 50 years of dispossession Palestinians are denied civil rights and subject to Military Court

At the mercy of Settler Violence, Torture and Abuse in Interrogations, have No freedom of movement, and also denied Water stolen and extorted by the occupying forces.

Palestinian Labor is also heavily exploited as they have no workers rights either: Haaretz, MEE, 972, CMEC

Keeponstalin,

Here’s a few, it’s detailed within the Apartheid reports from Multiple Human Rights Organizations. They use the international definitions, of which there are multiple. Three main international treaties prohibit and/or explicitly criminalize apartheid: the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD), the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (Apartheid Convention) and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (Rome Statute).

Amnesty lays this out very well in the first chapter of it’s report.

Amnesty International Report

Human Rights Watch Report

B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer

Keeponstalin,

The summaries of the reports themselves are pages long…

Here’s a small fraction of just the summary of the Amnesty report. If you want details you will have to read it. Otherwise I do know of some videos that lay it out too.

Building on a growing body of work, Amnesty International has documented and analysed Israel’s institutionalized and systematic discrimination against Palestinians within the framework of the definition of apartheid under international law. This has aimed to determine whether discriminatory and exclusionary Israeli laws, policies and practices against Palestinians amount to apartheid as a violation of public international law, a serious human rights violation and a crime against humanity. It has done so by firstly determining Israel’s intent to oppress and dominate all Palestinians by establishing its hegemony across Israel and the OPT, including through means of demography, and maximizing resources for the benef i t of its Jewish population at the expense of Palestinians. It has then analysed the laws, policies and practices which have, over time, come to constitute the main tools for establishing and maintaining this system, and which discriminate against and segregate Palestinians in Israel and the OPT today, as well as controlling Palestinian refugees’ right to return. It has conducted this analysis by examining the key components of this system of oppression and domination: territorial fragmentation; segregation and control through the denial of equal nationality and status, restrictions on movement, discriminatory family reunification laws, the use of military rule and restrictions on the right to political participation and popular resistance; dispossession of land and property; and the suppression of Palestinians’ human development and denial of their economic and social rights. Furthermore, it has documented specific inhuman and inhumane acts, serious human rights violations and crimes under international law, committed against the Palestinian population with the intent to maintain this system of oppression and domination.

Keeponstalin,

Yeah, here are the main three reports. That paragraph is from this one.

Amnesty International Report

Human Rights Watch Report

B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer

Keeponstalin, (edited )

That’s literally a transcript of Netanyahu speaking at the UN… Interesting how you consider him a credible source.

Both their official reasons and expert analysis show otherwise. Something about liberation from a violent apartheid regime.

Keeponstalin, (edited )

It’s a complicated history but even the Hamas Founding charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. The 2017 Revised charter accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised version. Hamas has committed atrocious acts, there’s no need to make things up about Hamas to show they’ve done terrible things.

Ending the occupation and having a Palestinian election for the Palestinian people to choose their own leadership is the way to diminish support for Hamas and other Armed resistance groups. Further terrorizing the West Bank and Gaza will only increase their support, which has been shown historically not only within the Occupied Palestinian Territories but throughout history.

The Blockade, described by the Israeli Defense Minister as a ‘total siege’ long before 2023, was a strategic decision in 2005.

History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012

Gaza Blockade is still Occupation

Dahiya Doctrine

Gaza March for Return Protest

AWRAD Gaza War Poll

PCPSR Public Opinion Poll Dec 2023

Keeponstalin,

Permanent occupation is an endless war, not a One or Two-State Solution.

Both their official reasons and expert analysis show otherwise.

Keeponstalin,

When it comes to human shields, the only independent verification back in 2014 (Amnesty link) is of Weapons (not rockets) hidden at a vacant school, situated btwn 2 UNRWA schools housing displaced people, by a Palestinian armed group.

The Guardian journalists had encountered a couple individuals in 2014 too.

HRW on Laws-of-War Violations 2009

Amnesty on Hamas War Crimes 2023

Yet none of those come remotely close to making hospitals and schools bombing targets. Even if all the IDF claims were true, that does not exempt those hospitals and schools as protected under international law.

Additionally, let’s look at how the IDF uses Human Shieldsincluding Children (2013 Report)

Keeponstalin, (edited )

I did try a drip pour coffee with dried red pepper, cardamom, Cinnamon, and nutmeg. Honestly was pretty good, plenty of kick. Much more honorable than plain coffee.

Spices online recipes use: Cinnamon, Nutmeg, Cloves, Allspice, Cardamom, Black Pepper, Cocoa, Vanilla Extract

Keeponstalin, (edited )

One of the multiple bombing operations used for collective punishment of the people in Gaza.

On the evening of 12 June 2014, three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped in the West Bank. Israeli leadership has placed the responsibility for their abduction on Hamas. On 30 June, corpses of the teenagers were found. Other commentators, such as Israeli historian, Ilan Pappe, and NBC reporter Ayman Mohyeldin, queried the abduction and murder of the Israeli teenagers as being the real start of the chain of events leading to the major conflict. They saw parallels in the earlier killing of two Palestinian teenagers in the Beitunia killings. The autopsy report confirming that live IDF fire had been the cause of death of one of the Palestinian teenagers had become public knowledge the day before the kidnapping of the Israeli teenagers. The operation was also preceded by the jailing of hundreds of Palestinians, by air strikes on Gaza in which 3 Palestinians were killed and more than a dozen injured, by the killing of at least 6 Palestinians, injuring of dozens, house demolitions and lootings in the West Bank, by the kidnapping and killing of a Palestinian youth, and by massive rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip to southern Israel.

During the previous 50 days of armed conflict 2,104 Palestinians were killed, including 253 women (12 per cent) and 495 children (24 per cent). During the same period, 69 Israelis were killed including four civilians (6 per cent). According to the UN, at least 69 per cent of Palestinians killed were civilians. It is relevant to note that during Israel’s last major ground operation into Gaza in 2008 (“Operation Cast Lead”), the proportion of Palestinian civilians killed was 55 per cent.

It is estimated that 10,224 Palestinians, including 3,106 children (30 per cent) and 1,970 women (19 per cent) were injured. Preliminary estimates indicate that up to 1,000 of the children injured will have a permanent disability and up to 1,500 orphaned children will need sustained support from the child protection and welfare sectors.

Wiki and Reliefweb sources

Keeponstalin,

It wasn’t even the first time, not only had Israel shelled hospitals prior (both during this war and in previous wars) they also shelled Al-Shifa days prior. It was simply the one instance where it wasn’t obvious what was responsible for the explosion. The investigation for that hospital is still ongoing, meanwhile Israel has targeted nearly every other hospital still in operation.

Keeponstalin,

“A ceasefire is on the table today, for six weeks to be built on into something more enduring if Hamas would simply release women, wounded and elderly,” White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan told reporters

Hamas says it will only accept a deal based on a permanent ceasefire that ends the war and includes an Israeli troop withdrawal from Gaza, rather than another temporary truce.

“We’re determined to try to generate a ceasefire where at least six weeks with the hostages coming out and then try to build on that into something more enduring, but I can’t make any predictions about where this will lie,” Sullivan said.

Keeponstalin, (edited )

UNRWA is part of the UN, same as UNHCR. It’s development and continuation separate to UNHCR has to do with denying Palestinians Right of Return. The most recent false accusations are used by Israel to futher destroy and cripple any aid infrastructure for Gaza. To intentionally force millions to suffer from famine, disease, and dehydration.

academic.oup.com/rsq/article/28/2-3/229/1584825

unrwa.org/…/exploding-myths-unrwa-unhcr-and-pales…

books.google.com/books?id=80j612aFo_4C&q=UNRWA+"j…

Keeponstalin,

Considering the extent of the Settlements in the west bank, I agree. The West Bank is in bantustans, re-creating the 67 borders isn’t possible with the decades of annexation. But it absolutely needs a lot of international pressure for it to work, and it would be quite complicated to put into practice.

The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.

So a two-state solution is no longer a viable option and that is why I have become a supporter of the one-state solution, a single state with equal rights for all its citizens. Ideologically, I don’t have any problem with a one-state solution. Ideologically, it is very attractive, it is a noble vision of two communities living in harmony in one space with equal rights for all its members. But, I am not naïve enough to think that the one-state solution is a realistic prospect because there is no support for a one-state solution in Israel. And if pushed really hard I think Israel would withdraw to the wall on the West Bank and annex whatever bits it wants of the West Bank. It would annex the main settlement blocks in Ma’ale Adumim, and the whole area around Jerusalem, and it would do so unilaterally rather than have a one-state so I am not in the least bit optimistic that the one-state solution is a viable proposition. But this is where I stand and I blame Israel for eliminating the alternative of a two-state solution.

- Avi Shlaim 2017

Additional Links to One and Two State Solutions

Keeponstalin,

Gaza is under control by Israel’s Blockade

Since 2007, Hamas has been the de facto administration in Gaza and has ruled with an iron fist. However, Israel has never relinquished its overall control of the territory, and the UN considers Gaza still occupied. Israeli forces, in coordination with Egypt, which signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1979, have kept Gaza enclosed by land, air and sea.

People, food, fuel, internet, power and water cannot leave or enter Gaza without permission from Israel. Egypt has a land crossing in the south, Rafah, but in practice, the military regime in Cairo – an enemy of Hamas and ally with Israel’s most powerful backer, the US – acts as an enforcer of the blockade.

Israel says the blockade is for its own security, citing repeated Hamas rocket attacks and incursions. But UN experts say the blockade, and intense bombing during five wars on Gaza, amounts to collective punishment on civilians, a war crime under international law.

Keeponstalin,

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Keeponstalin, (edited )

If you stopped constantly dehumanizing palestinians for a second, maybe you’d recognize Hamas began due to the terrible material conditions of Occupation, and has the goal of ending the occupation. Maybe you’d even recognize collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Hamas is very different from ISIS, but they both were born out of Terrorism from Israel and the US respectively. Hamas wants an end to the Apartheid, not genocide. That claim is both untrue, and holds no weight when Israel is currently engaging in genocide. This is about the state of Israel being founded on ethnic cleansing and it’s most recent ethnic cleansing campaign. Not Jewish people, stop being antisemitic by thinking they’re the same.

Hamas in its early days, according to former Israeli officials, was seen by the government of Israel as a counterweight to the PLO. Israel supported Hamas as a way to break the PLO’s hold on the region. Retired official Avner Cohen, who worked in Gaza in the 1990s and oversaw religious affairs in the region, told the WSJ in 2009, “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation."

In the 2006 election, Ismail Haniyeh led Hamas as the head of Hamas’ parliamentary bloc, while the president of the Palestinian Authority (PA), Mahmoud Abbas, led Fatah, as well as the PLO and Palestinian National Authority (PNA). (Haniyeh is now chairman of Hamas’ political bureau, and Abbas remains in his positions, as of this writing.) With Haniyeh at the helm, Hamas won around 44% of the votes across the region, according to a 2006 ABC News report, a total that secured a majority of seats in the legislature under election rules.

And in the backdrop of the 2006 election were geographic and political divides between Gaza and the West Bank. Contrary to what Bennett claimed, Israel restricted Palestinians from moving in and out of Gaza, as well as between the strip and the West Bank, since at least the 1990s, after the first Palestinian Intifada, or uprising, according to Al Jazeera. In addition to Gaza’s borders, the Israeli government controlled its coastline and airspace, allowing for military incursions into the territory, and, in 2007, established the blockade on goods and people that still exists as of this writing.

People Claim a Majority of Palestinians in Gaza Elected Hamas — Here’s Why It Isn’t That Simple

Hamas founding charter and Revised charter 2017

Keeponstalin,

Pan-Islamism and Pan-Arabism were both movements born out of anti-colonialism and opposed western political involvement, but they are not the same and have different history. There is no monolith in the middle east. Neither a Muslim nor an Arab Monolith. If you think all Muslims or all Arab people think the same you’re just being racist.

Hamas, while associated with the Muslim Brotherhood in the past, is not the same as the Muslim Brotherhood.

When Israel occupied the Palestinian territories in 1967, the Muslim Brotherhood members there did not take active part in the resistance, preferring to focus on social-religious reform and on restoring Islamic values. This outlook changed in the early 1980s, and Islamic organizations became more involved in Palestinian politics. The driving force behind this transformation was Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, a Palestinian refugee from Al-Jura. Of humble origins and quadriplegic, he became one of the Muslim Brotherhood’s leaders in Gaza. His charisma and conviction brought him a loyal group of followers, upon whom he depended for everything from feeding him and transporting him to and from events to communicating his strategy to the public. In 1973, Yassin founded the social-religious charity Mujama al-Islamiya (“Islamic center”) in Gaza as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The idea of Hamas began to take form on December 10, 1987, when several members of the Brotherhood convened the day after an incident in which an Israeli army truck crashed into a car at a Gaza checkpoint, killing four Palestinian day-workers, the impetus of the First Intifada. The group met at Yassin’s house to strategize on how to maximize the incident’s impact in spreading nationalist sentiments and sparking public demonstrations. A leaflet issued on December 14 calling for resistance is considered its first public intervention, though the name Hamas itself was not used until January 1988

To many Palestinians, Hamas represented a more authentic engagement with their national aspirations. This perception arose because Hamas offered an Islamic interpretation of the original goals of the secular PLO, focusing on armed struggle to liberate all of Palestine. This approach contrasted with the PLO’s eventual acceptance of territorial compromise, which involved settling for a smaller portion of Mandatory Palestine. Hamas’s formal establishment came a month after the PLO and other intifada leaders issued a 14-point declaration in January 1988 advocating for the coexistence of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.

Keeponstalin,

That’s the thing, the links I provide are to show exactly what you’re getting wrong.

Keeponstalin,

Advocating for a One-State or Two-State Solution is not “wiping a Democracy off the map,” it’s advocating for Palestinian people to have basic human and civil rights. If you think that Israel committing Apartheid or ethnic cleansing are ‘shallow and poorly reasoned conclusions’ then you haven’t taken a look at the facts. This has nothing to do with instincts, it has to do with media literacy. That’s why as a serious source to learn more about the conflict, I point to Ilan Pappe or Avi Shlaim or Nur Masalha. They are magnitudes more knowledgeable about the history of Israel-Palestine.

We can find quickly in the wiki:

Hamas officials said shortly following the attack that it was a response to the Israeli occupation, blockade of the Gaza Strip, Israeli settler violence against Palestinians, restrictions on the movement of Palestinians, and imprisonment of thousands of Palestinians.

Mohammad Deif, the head of Hamas’s military wing, the Qassam Brigades, said in a recorded message on 7 October that it was in response to what he called the “desecration” of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, and Israel killing and wounding hundreds of Palestinians in 2023. He called on Palestinians and Arab Israelis to “expel the occupiers and demolish the walls”. Deif also called on “Muslims everywhere to launch an attack” against Israel and to urged supporters to “kill them [the enemy] wherever you may find them”. He continued, “in light of the continuing crimes against our people, in light of the orgy of occupation and its denial of international laws and resolutions, and in light of American and western [sic] support, we’ve decided to put an end to all this, so that the enemy understands that he can no longer revel without being held to account.”

Keeponstalin,

The answers? No, the context is. That context being setter colonialism, occupation, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid. This isn’t a chicken and egg scenario. No ancestral claim to any land justifies ethnic cleansing of the native population living on that land.

The ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1947-49 was deliberate, the concept of Transfer is fundamental to zionism. It didn’t matter that the Palestinian leadership repeatedly advocated for a Unitary Binational State.

The Israeli occupation of the rest of historical Palestine in 1967 was deliberate. For half a century, Israel’s occupation of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip has resulted in systematic human rights violations against Palestinians living there. with the goal of further annexation while excluding Palestinians.

Gaza has been under occupation, Hamas has been internally governing Gaza since 2007, under the Blockade occupation of Israel. Hamas is a resistance movement that has done acts of terrorism, yes. That doesn’t change the fact that Hamas and other Armed resistance groups are the only ones fighting back against the Israeli occupation, a right which they have under international law. That doesn’t exempt them from war crimes, which is why you see Human Rights Orgs report on them when committed.

Resistance movements only get bigger as the oppression worsens, like it is now in both the West Bank and much more so in Gaza.

What do you know about what it’s like to live under Israeli occupation? If you don’t understand that, you’ll never understand why people choose to violently resist the occupation.

Keeponstalin,

Ok dude, at this point you must be being intentionally obtuse. I don’t know if you’re in denial or you just like making up your own definitions, either way maybe you should try proving yourself wrong for a change.

Military occupation, also known as belligerent occupation or simply occupation, is the temporary military control by a ruling power over a territory that is outside of that power’s sovereign territory. The territory is then known as the occupied territory and the ruling power the occupant. Occupation is distinguished from annexation and colonialism by its intended temporary duration.

Straight from the wiki. The rules and definitions of Occupation have been very clearly laid out for a long time. And Israel has repeatedly violated international laws for a very long time.

Again, if you don’t understand the occupation, the setter colonialism, the apartheid. You will never understand the armed resistance against the Israeli occupation.

Seems like you’re not only confidently incorrect, but you also have no interest in learning a comprehensive history about the founding of Israel, the violent occupation, or a potential resolution. Because they are all intertwined. Hopefully I’m wrong, and you’ll choose to learn more. Here I have aggregated events that date back to the early 18th century all the way to present day, with multiple sources when I can. I only made that page as a jumping off point. If you are genuinely serious about learning the truth, you need to read the works of New Historians. Ideally multiple of them. I listed out the three I find the most comprehensive in my previous response. Ilan Pappe even has a few books on Audible so you can listen instead of read his works.

Keeponstalin,

Yet a multitude of international and human rights organizations have considered it occupation because Israel still controls Gaza through military force.

many prominent international institutions, organizations and bodies—including the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), the United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, UN General Assembly (UNGA), European Union (EU), African Union, International Criminal Court (ICC) (both Pre-Trial Chamber I and the Office of the Prosecutor), Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch—as well as international legal experts and other organizations, argue that Israel has occupied Palestinian territories including Gaza since 1967.1 While they acknowledge that Israel no longer had the traditional marker of effective control after the disengagement—a military presence—they hold that with the help of technology, it has maintained the requisite control in other ways.

Specifically, experts from the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory found “noting” positions held by the UN Security Council, UNGA, a 2014 declaration adopted by the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention, the ICRC, and “positions of previous commissions of inquiry,” that Israel has “control exercised over, inter alia, [Gaza’s] airspace and territorial waters, land crossings at the borders, supply of civilian infrastructure, including water and electricity, and key governmental functions such as the management of the Palestinian population registry.” They also point to “other forms of force, such as military incursions and firing missiles.”

But I’ll assume you know more about the conflict than all of them. After all, you did mention that you read some history books. I’m sure they weren’t filled with revisionist history.

A new surge of settler outposts is terrorizing Palestinians off their land (www.972mag.com)

Since late December, Palestinians living in the village of Battir, west of Bethlehem in the occupied West Bank, have been cut off from significant portions of their land. A group of Israeli settlers simply arrived in the area one day — which UNESCO has designated as a world heritage site — and set up a new outpost, with a...

Keeponstalin,

“Canada is resuming its funding to UNRWA so more can be done to respond to the urgent needs of Palestinian civilians,” Hussen said. “Canada will continue to take the allegations against some of UNRWA’s staff extremely seriously and we will remain closely engaged with UNRWA and the UN to pursue accountability and reforms.”

Sweden made its announcement Saturday and said a $20 million disbursement would be made to help UNRWA regain its financial footing.

Finally some good news, despite Israel still targeting and blocking aid from entering Gaza. Hopefully this will build momentum internationally.

Keeponstalin,

You mean the zero evidence Israel has presented to back up any of their UNRWA helping Hamas claims?

Diplomats who saw the OIOS preliminary report said it contained no new evidence from Israel since the initial presentation of the claims in January – which were not backed by any proof. In summarising the findings, the UN spokesperson, Stéphane Dujarric, confirmed that the investigation had yet to receive corroborating material from Israel.

Keeponstalin,

It’s a complicated history but even the Hamas Founding charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. That’s a lie, and also intentionally ignores the 2017 Revised charter. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised version too. Hamas has committed atrocious acts, there’s no need to make things up about Hamas to show they’ve done terrible things. Ending the occupation and having a Palestinian election for the Palestinian people to choose their own leadership is the way to diminish support for Hamas and other Armed resistance groups. Further terrorizing the West Bank and Gaza will only increase their support, which has been shown historically not only within the Occupied Palestinian Territories but throughout history.

The Blockade, described by the Israeli Defense Minister as a ‘total siege’ long before 2023, was a strategic decision in 2005. What do you think of the ethnic cleansing campaign of 1947?

History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012

Gaza Blockade is still Occupation

Dahiya Doctrine

Gaza March for Return Protest

AWRAD Gaza War Poll

PCPSR Public Opinion Poll Dec 2023

Keeponstalin,

Not a bot, just not a fan of misinformation. Especially when it’s misinformation used to justify an Apartheid and ethnic cleansing

Keeponstalin,

You mean the permanent ceasefire talks that Israel has repeatedly rejected for months because they prioritize the continued ethnic cleansing campaign in Gaza over the release of the Hostages?

Keeponstalin, (edited )

I hope they also raise awareness for the Palestinians held in Israeli Prisons undergoing sexual abuse (men, women, and children. Hopefully the IDF doesn’t obstruct the UN investigation going forward too.

Support a Permanent ceasefire to bring the hostages home.

Keeponstalin,

Because the path to change course can only come from the democratic party in this duopoly. The Republican party will only ever get more fascist, and voting Republican will only accelerate towards fascism. There is at least a chance for change within the democratic party. At the national, voting for the least worse option (Biden), is harm reduction. And that is still important, regardless how broken this joke of a democracy is.

Organization and civil unrest can still push Biden to the left on issues even after the election, that’s not possible under trump. It’s important to vote in the national, but remember voting in your local elections for candidates is also super important and your vote goes a lot further.

Keeponstalin,

I agree that more than voting is necessary and voting is the bare minimum. But it’s still important to vote nonetheless. Do you know of any resources to help people to organize?

Keeponstalin,

I’m talking about the National, not the Primary. Third party doesn’t work in a duopoly created by a FPTP voting system, that’s the unfortunate reality. Voting Democrat is absolutely harm reduction.

Keeponstalin, (edited )

In America, we have a duopoly of the Republican party and Democratic party. Our FPTP voting system creates a two-party system and prevents any challenge to the two parties due to the spoiler effect. This is by design, both parties serve the capitalist class.

A Republican presidency is significantly more harmful to everyone (other than capitalists) than a Democratic presidency. The Republican party continues to and will only get more fascist. The Democratic party inches towards fascism due to the ratchet effect. Voting Democrat is harm reduction as it delays more fascist policies. This is because Democratic administrations are less harmful than Republican ones.

This is to reduce future harm, not reverse current harmful policies and systemic injustices. That kind of harm reduction requires Organization. Which is why it’s important to do more than just vote. That’s why it’s critical to participate in awareness, organization, and action. Especially in local politics. All of which is easier to do under democratic presidency, because their policies are less fascist.

If you think I support or like the democratic party, you’re absolutely wrong. I just recognize it’s better to have them in power than to have Republicans in Power. Voter apathy only helps Republicans and the ruling class.

Tlaib, Bush Raise 'Stop Sending Bombs' Signs as Biden Pledges More Aid for Gaza (www.commondreams.org)

Progressive Reps. Rashida Tlaib and Cori Bush raised signs calling on President Joe Biden to “stop sending bombs” to the Israeli military as he pledged during his State of the Union address Thursday night to provide more humanitarian aid to Gazans and decried the war’s grisly death toll....

Keeponstalin,

Do you mean the one-state solution where it’s a binational state with equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians or the One-state solution Israel prefers where there are no Palestinians?

Keeponstalin, (edited )

Considering the extent of the Settlements in the west bank, I don’t see how any other option would be realistic. But it absolutely needs a lot of international pressure for it to work, and it would be quite complicated to put into practice.

The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.

So a two-state solution is no longer a viable option and that is why I have become a supporter of the one-state solution, a single state with equal rights for all its citizens. Ideologically, I don’t have any problem with a one-state solution. Ideologically, it is very attractive, it is a noble vision of two communities living in harmony in one space with equal rights for all its members. But, I am not naïve enough to think that the one-state solution is a realistic prospect because there is no support for a one-state solution in Israel. And if pushed really hard I think Israel would withdraw to the wall on the West Bank and annex whatever bits it wants of the West Bank. It would annex the main settlement blocks in Ma’ale Adumim, and the whole area around Jerusalem, and it would do so unilaterally rather than have a one-state so I am not in the least bit optimistic that the one-state solution is a viable proposition. But this is where I stand and I blame Israel for eliminating the alternative of a two-state solution.

- Avi Shlaim 2017

Israeli settlers cross into Gaza, build 'symbolic' outpost (www.972mag.com)

From the first moments of the war, it was clear that right-wing Israeli politicians and settler leaders sensed an opportunity to radically shift the status quo in Israel-Palestine. For months, calls to resettle Gaza — often in the same breath as calling to expel the Strip’s 2.3 million Palestinian residents — have been...

Keeponstalin,

Almost as good a job as they’ve done preventing Israeli protesters from stopping aid trucks entering Gaza

Keeponstalin, (edited )

I’m not sure what they can do when peaceful protests are responded to with live ammo and the Two State Solution has been wielded by Israel only as far as further annexation and denial of human rights for Palestinians. Hamas has been for a permanent ceasefire for months. It’s kind of like asking what the Jewish people in the Warsaw Ghettos could do to end the bloodshed when Nazi Germany was cracking down after the uprising.

Israel does hold all the power as the occupying force. This is a genocide. To Israel, Palestinians are subhuman animals. We need a lot of international pressure, and hopefully more internal pressure from Israelis, to get Israel to stop its ethnic cleansing campaigns.

Keeponstalin,

“We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly,” “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza,” “There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything will be closed.”

  • Defense Minister Yoav Gallant

"They are not human beings and not even human animals, they are subhuman and that is how they should be treated,"

  • Jerusalem Deputy Mayor

If you look at that link you’ll find documentation encompassing over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, and journalists.

You think Hamas would be the one to attack humanitarian aid and food for the Palestinians in Gaza? Israel has been the one responsible for the conditions in Gaza due to the blockade that it internationally recognized as an occupation.

Do you know what peace looks like under Israel as your occupier?

Over 4500 new settlements, dozens of Palestinian towns attacked in pogroms, thousands of Palestinian homes demolished, over a hundred Palestinian children held in Israeli Prisons.

In Gaza, thousands of homes hit by Israeli bombs, over half of Palestinians live under the poverty line, hundreds of buildings hit by rocket fire, 45% unemployment, no electricity 12 hours a day, 70% of requested medical goods denied, over 800 palestinians died by being denied travel for medical care, 80% of children suffer from PTSD, over 80% rely on international aid. 2023 was the deadliest year for children in Palestine, over 47 children were killed (over 2,280 children since 2000) by Israel, before Oct 7th.

Year before Oct 7 - Jewish Voice for Peace

2023 is ‘deadliest year’ for Palestinian children say human rights groups

HRW Events of 2022

HRW Events of 2023

Over the last five months we’ve witnessed more than 30,600 Palestinians killed, more than 12,300 children and 6,300 women killed by Israel. With more than 70,000 injured and 99 Journalists killed.

We’ve seen over 360,000 homes destroyed. Nearly 400 schools, 267 Places of Worship, over 130 water wells bombed and destroyed. 23 out of 35 Hospitals don’t function anymore since they’ve gotten shelled. With the other 12 only partially functioning. Over 85% of everyone, millions of people, in Gaza has been displaced.

Millions are at extreme risk of starvation and disease brought by a deliberate famine and water crisis. Dozens of children have already died from malnutrition.

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