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eva_sieve,

“Captain, it’s just a model…”

Who would win: Borg Cube or Death Star? (aussie.zone)

TranscriptionTumblr post by arctic-hands: > When I was a teenager and still on Neopets I was part of a pretty big Star Trek guild and eventually became part of its council, with the solemn duty of creating weekly polls. Well one day I created the poll “Which would win in a fight? Borg Cube or Death Star?”. Naturally, since...

eva_sieve,

Vader at the peak of his power is pretty crazy. IMO it’d take a lot of drones to overwhelm him in a direct confrontation, but a cube has drones in the tens of thousands, so that’s at least in the realm of plausbility.

Most interesting cross-universe interaction is if the Force can be used to resist transporters, because spacing Vader is probably the best way to get rid of the threat. I think that’s a moot point though since the borg can (and do) blow up their own ships to eliminate even minor threats (see: the Borg Queen blowing up a cube of 64k drones for a couple deviants in Unimatrix Zero). So, their best chance is to transwarp to the middle of nowhere and self destruct the cube he’s on. If the ship’s detonation doesn’t take him out, just count on the cold equations of space to do the rest.

Conclusion: Darth Vader would pose a grave threat to any Borg facility he should choose to board, but the Collective is resilient enough to not really care about any damage he could do.

eva_sieve,

Definitely fair, the Borg are on the low end of scary as far as space zombies go and I’d say at that point we’re kind of running up against the fact that the Force does what the plot needs.

eva_sieve,

I did think of one specific thing that the Borg are significantly better than the Empire at: time travel. Everyone and their mother in Trek does it, and the Borg do it while on the run in First Contact. Meanwhile, (spoilers for a show that ended 6 years ago) the Emperor’s desire+inability to control a force-based time nexus is a subplot in Rebels to the point where he decides his best option is to try parleying with the heroes. So, if Vader became a persistent threat the Collective’s best chance would be to zip into the past and kill/assimilate child Anakin./

All that said, any ideas as to how this might work really falls apart when you look at temporal mechanics across universes. Trek canonically has a fluid (though resilient) timeline, this was stated onscreen in SNW. What little we see in Rebels indicates that Star Wars has a single stable timeline (one character survives a duel in Season 2 this way), and you can argue that this squares with Force precognition (including most notably the clear and unambiguous visions courtesy of the Mortis Gods in TCW).

eva_sieve,

“Neither are the true Picard. Both are the true Picard.”

eva_sieve,

Prodigy memes? Neat.

eva_sieve,

“One must imagine Ensign Kim happy…”

eva_sieve,

My mental justification is that the Tardigrades were either extinct at that point (which is stated to have happened at some point prior to the end of DISCO S3), or what few post-Message in a Bottle admirals might know about the classified project couldn’t justify making them suffer-- because, y’know, that is a thing that happens with the spore drive.

Hell, even if it was an option, would Janeway go for it? We saw her get rightly pissed at the equinox crew for running their ship off space aliens’ suffering. and I feel like the next-closest alternative known at the time (genemodding someone with Tardigrade DNA and also making them suffer through the jump) might also fly in the face of her highly principled stance.

eva_sieve,

This is incredibly stupid.

I laughed.

eva_sieve,

The defining characteristic of US classified documents is that their release would cause some degree of damage to US national security, ranging from harmful to gravely harmful. here’s a Cornell Law writeup that squares with what I know here.

Regardless of any opinions one might have as to the use and application of classification, in the eyes of the US government taking these documents without authorization is harmful by definition.

eva_sieve,

In fairness, they did that on Voyager first.

eva_sieve,

Neelix is killed while participating in a survey mission of a protomatter nebula. Using a technique devised by Seven of Nine, however, the Doctor is able to revive Neelix after being dead for nearly 19 hours.

…wikipedia.org/…/Mortal_Coil_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)

You get wikipedia because memory alpha is unnecessarily verbose here.

eva_sieve,

Loath as I am to defend Into Darkness, this is arbitrary skepticism and Voyager is by far a worse offender.

It’s not explicitly said but the circumstances are much tighter: I’m pretty sure McCoy stuffs Kirk’s corpse into a cryo tube almost immediately after he dies and the gang also needs to capture, not kill a raging genetically enhanced warlord to have a shot at it. The two subsequent references to the Kelvin timeline after this offers no circumstance under which this technology could reasonably be used but wasn’t. If they somehow did manage to repurpose Khan’s magic panacea blood there’s no indication it would be more than an immediate revival drug–like something we see used in Lower Decks as a joke.

eva_sieve,

“Though our enemies crowd around us, we tread the blessed path!”

~ A Star Trek character, probably.

eva_sieve,

Disco S3+

memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Cleveland_Booker

eva_sieve,

it has been said that they’re all from SNW so here’s a list of names for looking them up, left to right, top to bottom:

  1. Lt. Cmdr. Una “Number One” Chin-Riley & Lt. Spock
  2. Ens. Nyota Uhura
  3. Lt. Erica Ortegas
  4. Dr./Cmdr. Joseph M’benga
  5. Lt. Hemmer
  6. Lt. La’an Noonien-Singh
  7. Cpt. Angel (non-Starfleet)
  8. F Cpt. Christopher Pike
  9. Nurse/Lt. Cmdr Christine Chapel

(edit for minor pedantry, both Pike and Uhura got promoted over the course of the current show so it’s entirely possible that the ranks I listed don’t quite line up with the pictures at the time but that’s too much damn work for me so you’re getting current ranks as of SNW ep 20)

eva_sieve,

Time Amok is the eighth episode, it has a few minor spoilers but it’s otherwise a standalone and classic Trek “ship hit by science nonsense” episode. If you want a barometer of what the show can be that’d be my recommendation to watch ahead.

eva_sieve,

The rules of the death notes generally have time limits in the tens of days. They can only control+kill a person for 23 days, and the pre-filled death methods (such as how Light killed Raye Pember) are said in supplementary text to only work for 19 days.

I imagine that first clause would prevent any significant life altering shenanigans.

eva_sieve,

jokes on you, youtube ads spoiled the gag long ago.

eva_sieve,

I recognize the tail but I’m gonna click it on my PC with adblock, just because I respect your hustle.

This is only a low quality post if you would pick Stonn over Spock.

Forgive me, I can’t post any images directly from Firefox/Android version of Lemmy and don’t know htf to use image hosting yet. I want all of the Best Brains to come together for a moment of reflection. I just saw the episode of TOS in which Kirk, Spock and McCoy put their lives on the line against T’Pring the Spicy...

eva_sieve,

There’s a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it cameo of Stonn in Strange New Worlds IIRC. He was one of T’Pring’s coworkers. Maybe she just got closer to him there.

eva_sieve,

I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that you have two pairs of the same person and that more than half of these examples (Solkar, Spock, Sarek) are sourced from a single family.

eva_sieve,

Look, I’m just sayin’, if you know there’s a particular haircut that looks good on your family’s skull shape, it might be logical to stick with it.

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