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Fizz, to games in The Feds Are Coming for “Extremist” Gamers
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Its times like this I wish I used matrix instead of discord. Even though my friends and I are not extremists you can definitely make us look like extremists if you took jokes out of context.

rockerface,

If your jokes look that bad out of context, you might need better jokes

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

There are plenty of jokes that look bad if you strip away the intention and context. They aren’t bad or offensive jokes they just seem offensive if you take them out of context and present them in a different way.

For example this shane gills joke looks bad “That’s the thing about these countries, England, Scotland, Ireland, Australia. No Black people.” but when you add the next part it makes it funny.

“And I know what you’re thinking. No, you need Black people to keep the whites in check. The last thing you want is a whole island of whites that think they’re the coolest people on earth. A disaster. That’s how you end up with Conor McGregors walking around.The foreign whites are out of control.”

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

That doesn’t seem funny at all to me, maybe it’s in the delivery.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

The clip of him saying it funnier but its not everyones cup of tea

rockerface,

…you do need to get better jokes

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

How would you know you have never heard a joke from me.

mister_monster,

Humorless people telling you to joke within the confines of their neurotic sensibilities. Best ignore them and carry on.

ClockworkOtter,

That’s a shit joke. Racial essentialism just ain’t funny, and the context is kinda irrelevant.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

There are plenty of jokes that look bad if you strip away the intention and context. They aren’t bad or offensive jokes they just seem offensive if you take them out of context and present them in a different way.

Yes, and as humans we are quite able to understand that we should not immediately suspect anybody who says something without any context, assuming in the situation we know we are lacking the content.

Tell me, what makes you look more suspect to a federal agency:

  • The odd (frankly pretty bad, but then it’s by Shane Gills so that was expected) joke that lacking context could in theory be interpreted as a racial diss?
  • Encrypting and hiding all your chat traffic?
Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

This is exactly the problem. The fbi shouldn’t be able to snoop on you based off suspicion. I can encrypt every thing and be as edgy as I want and they still shouldn’t pull my discord message history because they have no reason to suspect I’ve committed a crime or am going to commit a crime.

GBU_28,

What the fuck

mods_are_assholes,

It’s telling how you think that the context somehow makes this ‘better’.

It doesn’t, at all.

Jokes that are the product of a bigoted mind always carry the stink with it but people who align with said bigotry never notice because they are STEEPED in it constantly.

Just like when people grow up and leave 4chan and the realize in horror that what they thought is normal there, is VERY much not normal.

Which is why when edgelads try to repeat jokes they got off of forums in real life, it always comes off as creepy and flat.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Outside of extremely lefty places like lemmy jokes like that are acceptable and if you called that joke out as bigoted then people would consider you odd. It’s not even an edgy joke it just has a racial punchline.

mods_are_assholes,

I get the feeling that your only experiences outside of lemmy are 4chan and new.reddit if you think bigotry is that normalized.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Please never join the fbi. There won’t be a single gamer who isn’t an extremist in your eyes.

Also you’re delusional to assume my only internet experience is new reddit and 4chan. There is no one on this site who’s internet experience is new reddit and 4chan. That person doesn’t end up on the fediverse.

mods_are_assholes,

Shit son I’ve been a gamer so long my first controller only had one button.

You got zero induction going on in your thinkmeat but you assume you know everyone.

That person doesn’t end up on the fediverse.

As if they weren’t here day one. You’re blind if you don’t smell the reek of underbed cumsock in the bottom of most popular threads.

Or just hiding your power level.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

I don’t care how long you’ve been a gamer its obvious you’re old and out of touch.

How could this new reddit/4chan user have been here day 1 if the fediverse dates back much longer than new reddit.

mods_are_assholes,

The interesting thing about insulting people for being old is that barring horrible accident, you’ll be there some day too being told by arrogant idiots how ‘out of touch’ you are.

Sure the fediverse may be ancient but Lemmy’s popularity hasn’t been until relatively recently, and there were already hard right lemmy users before the subreddit protests, which is what kicked off the biggest migration so far.

The more I read your words, the more they remind me of places on the internet that no one should visit. Your grammar and even thought processes are shaped by the places you socialize.

I wonder how far back in your post history I need to go before I find a reference to ‘genocide joe’ or some other basement troll nomenclature.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

Literally these guys in a nutshell and they don’t even realize

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c706db78-6a9c-4d61-9629-a2d14492529f.jpeg

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Thankfully all our jokes are dick jokes

Maeve,

I just watched a doco on Jack Teixera/Luca, last night. Perhaps you should.

gila, to games in The Feds Are Coming for “Extremist” Gamers

Just to add context because this is a somewhat polarising headline, gamergate shit is back on the rise. Gamers generally aren’t being considered potential extremists, only literal extremists that happen to consider their opinions as representative of gamers

RightHandOfIkaros, (edited ) to games in The Feds Are Coming for “Extremist” Gamers

This article quotes Hasan Piker and thats all I needed to see to know everything I need to know about this article. Nobody should be quoting that guy as the authority on anything except for having the evident need to continually hear his own voice, and having some of the most hypocritical, worst takes I have ever heard in my life.

candid,

What makes you view Hasan so negatively?

Outtatime,
@Outtatime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Hasan is a grifting fool who promotes socialism and communism and takes people’s donations but is already rich. His takes are complete garbage.

gila,

Because socialism is when you’re poor

candid, (edited )

Yeah I honestly expected more nuanced takes from decentralized Reddit but I guess I expected too much. Nobody has provided any examples of his “bad takes” except that he makes money off his work, as he fucking should. So I’ll just move on with my day. Been watching the guy on and off for years, haven’t donated to him once so not sure where I’m being grifted lmao.

Also is this place being brigaded by incels/right wingers? Some of the comments on this post are concerning.

Edit: nice username and profile pic, I’m a big fan of King Gizzard myself, Infest The Rat’s Nest gets a spin weekly!!!

gila,

This place has a lot of lib/leftist infighting, it’s generally the most left social network in my experience though

gila,

He’s grifting them into not listening when he says “I’m a socialist propagandist”, I guess

gila,

Hasan was quoted by this article because he was notably outspoken about the original gamergate, had the correct take on it, and the current trend is literally just an attempt at relitigating those same issues.

Here’s an exercise for you: can you name a single person on the planet that would more appropriate to quote on this issue than Hasan, and why?

Even if I accept and agree with the position in your comment, there isn’t.

Gullible,

Anita Sarkeesian. Ja Rule might also have some deep personal insight into the video game bigotry pipeline. He’s a face and personality I respect.

gila,

I think in your rush to namedrop someone else involved you maybe neglected to consider whether that’s actually the case. Anita went into hiding and gamers don’t know who she is anymore

Gullible,

I get the not so vague feeling of contrarianism and I honestly dig it. Lemmy’s inability to keep sticks away from posteriors is exhausting.

gila, (edited )

Hasan was the biggest driving force behind anti-gamergate sentiment originally and that deserves to not be disrespected in the comments because of some unrelated gripe you have with him that is founded on a logical farce, that’s it

Gullible,

I’m not the person you originally responded to so hold your assumptions. The journalist who still actively works in this specific field a decade later, after becoming the subject of its ire is an objectively better choice. Don’t blame me for having the capacity to answer your question.

gila,

Sorry for assuming, I’d encourage you to check Anita’s own opinion about speaking on gamergate though. She doesn’t want to.

Gullible,

Wait, what? I was at an event where she spoke about it and she seemed comfortable enough speaking about it in that context. I guess feelings can change over the years, my mistake. Sincerely.

gila,

For sure, she is still a media critic in public (following intially going into hiding), and has talked about it numerous times. Her historic stance hasn’t really changed though, I’d imagine at a certain point you’d just want to move on to something else, in her case to pivot toward speaking on female empowerment etc indirectly related topics. Pretty sure she’s not done any gaming-specific media work for a number of years now.

I was wrong to make the proposed exercise such a zero-sum game though, I just mean to highlight how ridiculous the opposing position (that any article quoting Hasan for any reason is auto trash) is, in this particular case.

Linkerbaan, (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

People can choose to not donate to him. Also he does plenty of fundraisers.

Grifting is a strong word for someone that is very well educated and doesn’t just pick the mainstream position in every subject because it’s easy.

The man does good work let him earn some money from it.

thebardingreen, to games in The Feds Are Coming for “Extremist” Gamers
@thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz avatar

Scratch under the surface of this, you find angry, noisy white boys who think the woke and feminism are coming for them…

Blizzard,

Why so racist?

PerogiBoi,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

That’s a good question we should ask these white boys.

lolcatnip,

White supremacists trend to be white for some reason.

Outtatime,
@Outtatime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Oooo! So scary! Angry white boys… hahahahaha!! You can’t be serious

jaemo,

Careful! You’re gonna rustle their jimmies… Oops looks like ya did, all these howler monkey replies lol.

bazus1, to games in The Feds Are Coming for “Extremist” Gamers

First they came for extremist gamers and I did nothing because… fuck those guys.

hal_5700X, to games in The Feds Are Coming for “Extremist” Gamers
@hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

Go away, glowies.

TheBat, to games in The Feds Are Coming for “Extremist” Gamers
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Extremist gamers as in? Playing Call of Duty while strapped to an aeroplane wing?

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lmao getting a 360 noscope while base jumping from the Burj Khalifa

dylanTheDeveloper,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

The people who say the n word through their mics

state_electrician,

Extreme =/= Extremist

EssentialNPC,

Those would be X-tremeists. It’s an easy mistake to make.

neidu2, to politics in The Feds Are Coming for “Extremist” Gamers

I remember feeling like a webdesign master when I figured out frames. I was always more of a backend guy (perl + CGI = ❤️), but frames enabled me to produce pretty decent looking websites.no

Carrolade,

I’m afraid that’s not a very strong legal defense.

vaultdweller013,

Its not a legal defense, its a warning. We all like our fingers, be a shame is some of us lost em.

Carrolade,

Warning of what? Gamergate-types not supporting Biden?

vaultdweller013,

Not necessarily gamer gate types, I dont trust the FBI to keep it to just them. Wouldnt put it past em to go after anarchists for example. But if they can keep it to gamer gate types they can keep their fingers.

jordanlund, to politics in The Feds Are Coming for “Extremist” Gamers
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Roblox? Are there that many radicalized 8 year olds?

Diplomjodler,

Gotta catch them early if you want to have nice obedient corporate drones.

Plague_Doctor,

Robocop?

TragicNotCute,
@TragicNotCute@lemmy.world avatar

Have you met many 8 year olds? They are all fucking radicals. I’d say at least half are terrorists.

Diplomjodler,

Letting them out from the mines was a mistake

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

Can't even fit their plump little bodies down chimneys anymore.

cmbabul,

That’s a preexisting condition though, 8 year olds have always been menaces to the rest of us

Semi-Hemi-Demigod, to politics in The Feds Are Coming for “Extremist” Gamers
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

An internal FBI threat advisory obtained by The Intercept defines Anarchist Violent Extremists as individuals “who consider capitalism and centralized government to be unnecessary and oppressive,” and “oppose economic globalization; political, economic, and social hierarchies based on class, religion, race, gender, or private ownership of capital; and external forms of authority represented by centralized government, the military, and law enforcement.”

Guess I’m on another list because I agree with all of that.

BossDj, (edited )

The result of none of that is the same as anarchy, violence, nor extremism

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

Anarchy has stood for those things since its inception.

Who taught you that it means violence and lawlessness? Maybe they have an agenda?

BossDj,

I don’t know what you’re trying to say.

I said the FBI definition of “violent anarchist extremists” doesn’t properly define violent, anarchist, or extremists.

Viking_Hippie,

And Semi-Hemi-Demigod is trying to explain to you that, while you’re of course right that none of those things are symptoms of violent extremism, a lot of them are aspects of peaceful anti-authoritarian political beliefs such as those of anarchism.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

Thanks for the assist

Viking_Hippie,

No worries 🙂

BossDj,

But I never said it was about violence and lawlessness

xmunk,

Are they honestly okay with putting “Social hierarchies based on […] race or gender” in writing?

alilbee,

I would read this as "Of the types of violent extremists, the ‘Anarchist’ type are those who… ". As a really dumb metaphor, if I have a pokedex, I don’t need to restate that they’re all Pokémon in there each time.

nickwitha_k,

I’m not sure that your interpretation gels with the FBI’s historical behavior. The organization literally tried to get MLK Jr. to kill himself.

alilbee,

Not arguing that the FBI hasn’t suppressed completely valid movements in the past, because that’s well-documented for anyone to see. I just think that if I was a professional writing a handbook in this situation, I wouldn’t go to the trouble of redefining the context each time either. Because of that, I’m not sure that this is demonstrative of their stance.

CharlesDarwin, to politics in The Feds Are Coming for “Extremist” Gamers
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Huh, I wonder how much they’ll focus on the right wing aspect of that. Or are they both-sidesing the animal activists, giving that equal weight to alt-right fascists?

Ensign_Crab,

Huh, I wonder how much they’ll focus on the right wing aspect of that.

Just enough to say they did and no more.

njm1314, to politics in The Feds Are Coming for “Extremist” Gamers

Surely this will be an article about the FBI finally cutting down on Nazis and right-wing extremists in The Gaming Community right? Right? Oh…

Freuks, to privacy in Signal’s New Usernames Help Keep the Cops Out of Your Data
@Freuks@lemmy.ml avatar

Articles contains 1894 words, hmm 😏

cyd, to world in Honduras Ratchets Up Battle With Crypto-Libertarian Investors, Rejects World Bank Court

I haven’t seen any explanation of why the current Honduras is so dead set on shutting down Prospera. At worst, the development is not an economic success, and the cost is borne by the investors. At best, it creates an economic boon to Honduras. Seems like a no-lose proposition, the same reasoning behind many other special economic zones around the world. The only explanation I can think of for the Honduras government continuing to chase this issue is ideological/political hostility. It feels like their energy would be much better spent elsewhere.

Rekonok,
@Rekonok@sh.itjust.works avatar

This is an organized crime scheme to wash drug money and fuel right wing paramilitary so yes hondurans will pay.

This is the shit RICO act protect US citizens from. And the law is a shit now used in union busting still better than a corrupt arbitration court.

cyd,

Prospera is still subject to Honduras criminal law, so if there’s any real concern about organized crime they can go after them using the criminal justice system. They wouldn’t need these legal shenanigans.

Rekonok,
@Rekonok@sh.itjust.works avatar

If there were reals investors they dit not need those crypto scaming shenanigans

Viking_Hippie,

I haven’t seen any explanation of why the current Honduras is so dead set on shutting down Prospera

Then you clearly haven’t read and understood the article you’re replying to.

At worst, the development is not an economic success, and the cost is borne by the investors. At best, it creates an economic boon to Honduras.

You can’t possibly believe that bullshit yourself. Do you work for Prospera or are you shilling for free?

Seems like a no-lose proposition, the same reasoning behind many other special economic zones around the world

“Special economic zones” are specifically made to circumvent regulations meant to protect and otherwise benefit workers and consumers to maximize corporate profits while minimizing corporate risk. Their very existence is harmful to regular people.

The only explanation I can think of for the Honduras government continuing to chase this issue is ideological/political hostility

Yeah, some of us have ideologies that put the interests of the majority of people over the interests of the ultra-rich and their corporations. Baffling to a corporate shill like yourself, I’m sure.

It feels like their energy would be much better spent elsewhere.

Than protecting their people from corporations looting their country? Not really, no.

cyd,

In the real world, sensible governments know that getting companies to make investments is a good thing, not a bad thing. Over in the States, Joe Biden is making the investment incentives of the IRA the centrepiece of his re-election campaign. That’s why it’s remarkable to see a government actively trying to drive away investors.

Viking_Hippie, (edited )

I love it when shills pretend that blindly swallowing pro-corporate propaganda makes them the only adults in the room rather than the perfect marks for con artists. So adorable.

livus,

It’s only “remarkable” if you don’t know anything about the economic and political history of the region.

Anyone in their right mind would reject this thing after seeing the so-called benefits of the United Fruit Company, or the invitation of American plantations into the Kingdom of Hawaii.

In the actual real world, investment is only good if it’s beneficial to the populace and doesn’t undermine its sovereignty. Getting, say, the British East India Company interested in your country was a curse not a blessing, same as having these clowns interested now.

jordanlund, to world in Honduras Ratchets Up Battle With Crypto-Libertarian Investors, Rejects World Bank Court
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Clearly it’s time for me to sleep because I read that as “Crypto-Librarian” and was very confused for a minute…

Rekonok,
@Rekonok@sh.itjust.works avatar
Viking_Hippie,

Whatever you do, don’t call him a monkey or suggest turning him back into a wizard…

Rekonok,
@Rekonok@sh.itjust.works avatar

ook

Viking_Hippie,

Good point.

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