fin,

Is it still under attack?

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted,
@EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Modern corporations are a damned plague. Most of these fuckers would destroy our whole cultural heritage in a heartbeat if it meant making a profit.

Yes, corporations exist to make profit, but come on, there are limits.

grue,

Yes, corporations exist to make profit

Maybe now they do, but that itself is a cancerous perversion of their original purpose.

original_reader, (edited )

there are limits

I am glad you have a moral centre.

But that is the capitalist way. A Redditor once wrote: “*Corporations have no morals, no ethics, no code of conduct, no feelings, no empathy, and zero accountability. They have one goal and one goal only: to increase profits at all costs.”

Case in point: the climate crisis. Corporations are literally destroying their own home for a symbol of success that, like their products, is man-made: money. It is the ultimate pursuit of vanity.

Crazy, if you think about it for a moment.

Scolding0513,

i guess it doesnt matter to the execs, they will always have their little islands to live on while they destroy the rest of the world

Weslee,

Who’s gonna tell them that the small islands are the first thing to go in the climate crisis

ulterno,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Billionaires remember! Yacht first, island second.

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted,
@EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

True, but they’ll be the only ones able to afford to buy a boat. Lol.

jherazob,
@jherazob@beehaw.org avatar

The AI techbros wanna scare you with tales of AI becoming sentient and going rogue to destroy us all, when corporations, mindless machines made out of people to maximize profits at all cost, are already doing all that

z00s,

And yet by law in some places (the US being one, I believe) they are treated as people, with certain rights.

absentbird,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

Like people, but with a feduciary responsibility to gain wealth at every opportunity. Corporations are almost like vampires: they don’t need food or water, they don’t age, they have inhuman power, yet they wear the guise of people; they pass as human to make it easier to drain us of our blood, an endless thirst they feel compelled to heed.

z00s,

Well said

xilona,

Agreed, now what do we do about it?

I quit a very very well paid IT job in a very big corp because I did not want to participate to their anti-human, anti-planet shit…

What are you doing about it?

Asafum,

I decided not to pursue my interest in geology because I didn’t want to be stuck with the only employment options being oil companies.

It sucks that we need to give up so much even though they keep destroying and pillaging.

xilona,

Respect! Hope you will find your way following your passion and working for the Good!

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted,
@EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

What am I doing about it? For the most part, nothing at the moment besides actively refusing to purchase from a small number of companies—Nestlé, Walmart, Amazon, etc—mostly out of principal as I’m not illusioned enough to think one person will make a difference in this sense). Primarily because at the moment I live in a dead-end job making barely enough money to buy food and trying to keep my car from disintegrating long enough for me to get to work and back.

Frankly, I’d love to do more, but there’s really not much I can do. Doesn’t mean I have to like it though. Just because you don’t have an alternative ready doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to dislike the current situation.

xilona,

Thank you for your reply! You are doing what you can and that is important!

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted,
@EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I appreciate you understanding. It really sucks our world has come to just having to deal with it most of the time.

MonkderDritte,

Yeah. The monsters gnawing away at nature, public infrastructure, your friends? They are called corporations.
Btw, megacorps have multiple faces and are especially hungry.

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted,
@EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

your friends?

I do not understand. Could you explain what you mean please?

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted,
@EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I agree that that is the capitalist way, which is one of the reasons I hate capitalism. I’m no tankie, but I believe there are other ways, even ways that still use personal property as well as currency, beyond capitalism, which is just the use of personal property and currency to obtain more personal property and currency at all costs in an endless cycle.

pkill,

come and destroy the IPFS, then!

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted,
@EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

What is the IPFS?

Onihikage,
@Onihikage@beehaw.org avatar

The InterPlanetary File System (IPFS) is a protocol, hypermedia, and file sharing peer-to-peer network for storing and sharing data in a distributed file system. It allows users to host and receive content in a manner similar to BitTorrent.

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted,
@EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That’s pretty cool. :)

pkill,

a decentralized file hosting/sharing protocol that powers library genesis, for example

96VXb9ktTjFnRi,

Europe is voting this weekend. If you care about copyright reform, you should consider voting for the European Pirate Party. IA is probably in the wrong here, legally. But many would argue it’s morally right to have free access to information. Sure, shadow libraries are popping up everywhere and we have access to more information than ever before, but if we really want access for everyone, we need different copyright laws, and for that we need politicians.

dko1905,
@dko1905@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Sadly in countries without a pirate party, like Denmark, you can’t (as far as I know) vote for the EP pirate party.

TachyonTele,

Does voting for a party like that even help anything? I’m asking because my voting experience is US, and everyone knows how many parties matter here. So I’m curious.

viking,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

It does a bit, since every party will be represented in the European council based on the number of votes they have. It’s not an election where the winner takes all.

I think the pirates had one or two representatives in the council, which is enough to start debates and make proposals. They obviously can’t push anything through by themselves.

TachyonTele,

Nice. That sounds like more than we have available. Thank you

IdleSheep,
@IdleSheep@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yes. In most European countries even small parties can get seats. In my country there are 8 parties in parliament, for example, and 2 of them didn’t use to be there 2 election cycles ago (they were too small/new 8 years ago but eventually grew in popularity and got enough votes for representation).

Of course if they only have 1 or 2 members in parliament they typcily tend to form coalitions with other like-minded parties so they can get more voting power.

TachyonTele,

I wonder how many people that aren’t from the US running around telling people to vote third party their are, because of what you just described.

EmilieEvans,

For Germean voters there is the WahloMat to help with the voting choice (a dozen of questions and in the end shows how much overlap there is with all the parties): www.wahl-o-mat.de/europawahl2024/…/main_app.html

The major issue is that if you care about CopyRight: Party A. Easier to comply with regulation: Party B. Migration: Party C. Environment: Party D.

And all of the choices (A-D) have some very removed, prominent positions that you strongly oppose and in the end, have no clue what to elect and choose the least worst option and hope for the best.

simple,

Everyone that wants context should read this: …substack.com/…/the-internet-archives-last-ditch

Listen, I love the IA and everything they stand for, but they’re not winning this. They fucked up and gave away copyrighted content, for free, in unlimited amounts during covid. They then proceed to melt down in court because they know it’s impossible to win. Now they’re seeking empathy from everyone and not talking about why they got sued - which is giving away potentially millions of copies of other people’s work…

lemmyvore,

And everyone that wants unbiased context should read the wikipedia page:

en.wikipedia.org/…/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive

The judgment basically completely ignored IA’s arguments towards fair use. EFF filed an amicus brief that explains how baseless the judgment was. Assuming the entire US court system isn’t in the corporate pocket yet they will win this on appeal.

It’s ridiculous to assume that an organization whose main purpose is data archival would knowingly and blatantly ignore copyright law. IA didn’t ignore it, they did they homework and saw that their use qualified as fair use. Then they met a judge who doesn’t give a shit about that. Nobody can prepare for that in advance.

orangeboats,

Assuming the entire US court system isn’t in the corporate pocket

I love your optimism

chiliedogg,

In this case, they absolutely did. They had a CDL in place specifically to comply with copyright law, and they willfully and intentionally disabled it.

The publishers also had arrangements with local libraries to expand their ebook selections. Most libraries have ebook and audiobook deals worked out with the publishers, and those were expanded during the lockdowns. Many of the partner libraries preferred those systems to the CDL because they served their citizens directly. A small town in Nebraska didn’t have to worry about having a wait list of 3000 people ahead of the local citizen whose taxes had actually bought the license the Internet Archive wanted to borrow.

The Internet Archive held a press conference right before the ruling comparing the National Emergency Library to winter-library lands, but that’s simply not accurate. The CDL they had in place before and after was inter-library loaning. The CDL was like setting up printing presses in the library and copying books for free and handing them out to anyone.

Under the existing CDL, they could have verified that partner libraries had stopped lending their phycical copies of the books and made more copies of the ebooks available for checkout instead of just making it unlimited and they’d have legally been fine, but they did not, and the publishers had every right to sue.

The publishes also waited until June to file suit: well-after most places had been re-opened for weeks.

IA does important work, but they absolutely broke the law here, and since they did it by intentionally removing the systems designed to ensure legitimate archival status and fair-use of copywritten works, they have pretty much zero defense. It wasn’t a mistake or an oversight. And after reopening they kept doing it for weeks until they were sued and were able to magically restore the legal system the same day the lawsuit was filed.

lemmyvore,

You’re using the publisher’s arguments in your comment. If anybody’s interested, here’s the IA’s counter-argument. It boils down to the fact publishers are challenging practices that used to be considered fair use… just because they can.

This decision has wide-reaching implications that will affect all libraries, not just the IA.

Ultimately we’ll just have to see what the appeal decision will be.

Ferk, (edited )
@Ferk@lemmy.ml avatar

In that counter argument they are essentially admitting that 99% of their content was distributed without the copyright holder’s consent.

In the CDL lawsuit, they have admitted that of the millions of books we have digitized, they themselves have only made about 33,000 available to libraries; only about 1% of what we have done, and only under restrictive and expensive license agreements. This is, they claim, the essence of their copyright rights: the ability to restrict access to information as they see fit, to further their theoretical economic interests, without regard to libraries traditional functions and the greater public good.

Was it fair use in the past to redistribute reprints/format-conversions of works without the copyright holders consent?

I agree that copyright law sucks… but that’s why it needs to change so it actually serves “the greater public good”. The judiciary system is not the right place to advocate for that (they don’t make the law, just interpret it), so I don’t really think there’s much hope in them winning this. Sadly.

chiliedogg,

Their counter-argument isn’t a legal argument. They’re saying they did it because they think the publishers aren’t being fair.

And they’re talking mostly about format-conversion, which isn’t the problem here.

You can absolutely make format conversions to digital for archival purposes. What you cannot do is them make a bunch of copies and give them away for free simultaneous use. That is not fair use. That’s 100% piracy.

The CDL was built specifically to ensure that only one digital copy was on loan for each owned copy of the material because the IA absolutely knew that was the law.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please, (edited )

Their argument towards fair use wasn’t ignored. It was inapplicable.

It’s ridiculous to assume that an organization whose main purpose is data archival would knowingly and blatantly ignore copyright law

Except that’s exactly what they did. They knowingly and blatantly violated copyright law. They had a system in place to ensure fair use compliance. They intentionally disabled that system, in violation of fair use, to allow unlimited free downloads of the books they had archived.

IA’s entire argument was basically “but we’re a library” and totally missed the part where even public libraries need to comply with copyright law. Even with ebooks, they can’t simply distribute an unlimited number of copies; They have licensing agreements in place, for a specific number of specific ebooks to be checked out at any one time. And they have to use time-locked DRM to ensure compliance, by automatically revoking users’ reading ability when their check-out time is up. IA did precisely none of that.

lunarul,

Huh. TIL. I always wondered why libraries treat ebooks like physical books.

stormeuh,

I don’t know what happend the last few years with Lunduke, but it seems like he went down the conservative/conspiracy rabbit hole and now I don’t trust anything he writes anymore. Please see for yourself, this article is a good starting point: https://lunduke.substack.com/p/the-tech-industry-hates-you?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

Gsus4, (edited )
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

I think this explains his stance a bit piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=rRDEkMAcwrQ I agree with some bits (because code quality does matter more than being nice when it is your profession), disagree with some (because being a grumpy idiot will harm your ability to build on collaborative projects).

PS: but yea, then there is also the video about the tech industry where he cherrypicks outrage and contradicts himself and agrees that Linus is rude and divisive…which sort of discredits him, because he only seems to like angry but competent people when they agree with him.

CrabAndBroom,

Assuming they don’t win, is there any contingency in place to preserve all their data? I don’t know how exactly because I assume there’s an absolute fuckton of it, but it would be such a shame if all of that was lost forever.

I’d love to see it become like the Pirate Bay, where they squish one and ten more pop up to replace it, but I don’t know if that’s even possible.

Cracks_InTheWalls,
@Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works avatar

@textfiles Thoughts?

textfiles,
@textfiles@mastodon.archive.org avatar

@Cracks_InTheWalls @CrabAndBroom I think there are tons and tons of yummy little square boxes that will take all of the letters you type into a keyboard and then put them somewhere for everybody to see.

Cracks_InTheWalls,
@Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lol, fair. I’m still not well versed in inter-service ActivityPub stuff. I don’t know if you’ll see this or see any of the parent comments here on Lemmy.

Contingency plans if IA loses the appeal about the library stuff, or in general has something happen that puts IA’s collections at risk of being lost. Any thoughts on the matter? Also cool if it’s not something you want to talk about, I know you don’t speak for the whole org.

How do we archive the archive?

textfiles,
@textfiles@mastodon.archive.org avatar

@Cracks_InTheWalls I'm quite aware of the thread you are connecting me to. My answer stays the same.

Cracks_InTheWalls,
@Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works avatar

Ah, understood. Thanks!

bionicjoey,

That worked for pirate bay because they were storing a miniscule amount of actual data. Torrents are really small. The actual data is stored in the peer to peer network. The torrents are just tracking where in the p2p stuff is.

IA isn’t like that. They probably store exabytes of data.

ReveredOxygen,
@ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works avatar
PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

Yeah, pretty much everyone who understands copyright agreed that this was the dumbest idea imaginable. But IA stupidly proceeded anyways, and now they’re finding out that the long studded dildo of justice rarely arrives lubed.

I love IA. I use it all the time. But this was just a blatantly stupid move. No amount of crying about it is going to change the fact that they seriously fucked up and angered the most well-established copyright holders in the world.

Emmie, (edited )

Fuck.

I really hope someone gets hold of the data and shares it on p2p or otherwise. If all this data is deleted it would be equivalent to nuking pyramids or burning Picasso paintings.

menemen, (edited )

Honestly, I’d say it would be much much worse than your examples. It would be erasing parts of history itself.

Emmie, (edited )

Fuck yes, we need to get our hands on this stuff for fucks sake. I have shit there I don’t even know I need yet

Can someone fucking near get their ass there and do a legendary copy paste operation on a massive scale

TachyonTele,

Exactly. Losing Internet and digital history would create another dark ages for future historians. Everything we’ve done would just be gone.

If I had more money than humanly usable I would create a project that transcribes wikipedia or whatever onto stone/metal plates so it’s not forgotten.

refalo,

Good luck, every day more than 1PB is uploaded to IA.

drwho,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

That’s one of the reasons why uploads to the Archive have torrents.

Now if they’d just fix the damn tracker…

Murdoc,

…library… Alexandria…

nifty, (edited )
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Can they sink the IA name and just set up as another entity? I mean, declare bankruptcy etc. What happens to the archived data in this scenario? I am not a lawyer so I have no idea

Edit perhaps they can setup up an entity, sell the data to it, and bankrupt IA?

refalo,

Surely not or else companies would be doing this every day to avoid litigation.

nifty,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Again, I have no idea what I am talking about but you can have provisions to protect assets in bankruptcy. But besides that, I am not sure if distributing the assets to another nonprofit entity prior would help save the archived data

wolterskluwer.com/…/dissolving-a-nonprofit-when-a…

TachyonTele,

The mercenary company Blackgate(?) has done it a dozen times.

irreticent,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar
recklessengagement,

I mean, companies with a lot of employees, sure. But companies that are mostly just data, like movie watching sites, do it all the time

pkill,

not enough AI features! /s

umbrella, (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

ill mention this in every thread about them:

run the archive team warrior if you can. it helps them archive black boxes like telegram, discord, reddit…

smiletolerantly,

Didn’t know about this, but sounds like a good cause.

Is there any legal risk involved with this? Is it recommended to run behind a VPN?

MrRazamataz,
@MrRazamataz@lemmy.razbot.xyz avatar

No, VPNs are not allowed. See here for more info.

Scrubber0777,

Would you care the elaborate more?

Moorshou, (edited )

The nonprofit Internet Archive is appealing a judgment that threatens the future of all libraries. Big publishers are suing to cut off libraries’ ownership and control of digital books, opening new paths for digital book bans and dangerous surveillance.

Join 28,000+ signers on the petition below to show your support for the Internet Archive, libraries’ digital rights, and an open internet with safe, uncensored access to knowledge.

Battleforlibraries

Moorshou,

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  • Moorshou,

    Another excerpt under why from the FAQ section

    **The Internet Archive has been scanning millions of print books that they own, and loaning them out to anyone around the world, for free. Other libraries like the Boston Public Library are using the same process to make digital books too.

    This is happening because major publishers offer no option for libraries to permanently purchase digital books and carry out their traditional role of preservation.

    Instead, libraries are forced to pay high licensing fees to “rent” books from big tech vendors that regard patron privacy as a premium feature and are vulnerable to censorship from book banners. Under this regime, publishers act as malicious gatekeepers, preventing the free flow of information and undermining libraries’ ability to serve their patrons.

    But it looks bad if publishers sue the Boston Public Library. So instead, they’ve launched an attack on a groundbreaking nonprofit, including a lawsuit with clear repercussions for every library in the US. On March 24, 2023, a lower court judge issued a ruling that stated the profits of big media companies are more important than the right of libraries to preserve our history and ensure it’s available to the world. Then, in a copyright troll move for the ages, the same attorney representing Big Publishing filed a second absurd lawsuit against the Internet Archive for it’s research library of old music recordings.

    Nevertheless, the Internet Archive are appealing to a higher court and will keep fighting for the digital rights of libraries.**

    wizardbeard,

    This buries the lede so deep it’s popping out the other side of the globe.

    The entire core of this case is that (in abscence of more lenient agreements with publishers) traditional libraries are allowed to digitize physical books in their posession, as long as they do not lend out more copies than they physically own. The Internet Archive decided that they would lend out infinite copies, because “covid lol”.

    Boston Public Library isn’t being sued because they don’t lend out more than they own! It has precisely zero to do with fucking optics.

    Edit: Don’t get me wrong, I hope they win this case, but them continuing to play stupid helps nobody. Unfortunately, as discussed thoroughly online when they opened the covid19 emergency digital library, they fucked around. Now it seems they may have to find out.

    pearsaltchocolatebar,

    Lol, a petition won’t stop this unless it’s a petition to bribe the judge. The US is owned by corporations.

    cybersin,

    Sure, but it is still better than doing nothing.

    grue,

    Only things that are effective are better than doing nothing. Doing ineffective things only gives a false sense of accomplishment and thus reduces the incentive to try harder to be effective, which means they’re actually worse than doing nothing.

    Online petitions, “free speech zones,” and other easily-ignorable things are like honeypots for activism, designed to neuter it.

    cybersin,

    Sure, but “effectiveness” is usually not a binary and is often difficult to measure. Small, but persistent changes should still add up. Eventually.

    So long as people recognize that these things are in fact quite toothless, I’m not sure they are entirely detrimental. There’s no reason this couldn’t be used as a starting point for more effective action, now that signatories are in greater contact with the campaign.

    Moorshou,

    C’mon it’s at least worth a shot. To me at least.

    Animoscity,
    @Animoscity@lemmy.world avatar

    With the current judges we could probably buy one fairly cheap. Crowd source lobbying I guess

    FaceDeer,
    @FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

    It's not even a question of being "owned by corporations". Judges don't care about petitions. They're not politicians, their job is to adjudicate the law.

    EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted,
    @EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    In theory. In the US, at least (I don’t know about other countries), some judge positions are voted in, In that sense, they most certainly are politicians.

    On top of that, HAVE YOU SEEN OUR SUPREME COURT. THAT SHIT’S THE HALLMARK CHANNEL OF “OWNED BY OTHER ENTITIES”, be it actual politicians (Trump) or CEOs (also Trump), many of whom ARE both executives and politicans (again, not only Trump, but also a number of other reps & senators).

    FaceDeer,
    @FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

    Except it's not a threat to the future of all libraries, it's a threat to the future of "libraries" that decide to completely ignore copyright and give out an unlimited number of copies of ebooks. Basically turning themselves into book-focused piracy sites.

    I'm incredibly frustrated with Internet Archive for bringing this on themselves. It is not their mandate to fight copyright, that's something better left in the hands of activist organizations like the EFF. The Internet Archive's mandate is to archive the Internet, to store and preserve knowledge. Distributing it is secondary to that goal. And picking unnecessary fights with big publishing houses like this is directly contrary to that goal, since now the Internet Archive is in danger.

    It's like they're carrying around a precious baby and they decided it was a good idea to start whacking a bear with a stick. Now the bear is eating their leg and they're screaming "oh my god help me, the bear is threatening this baby!" Well yeah, but you shouldn't have brought a baby with you when you went on a bear-whacking expedition. You should have known exactly what that bear was going to do.

    possiblylinux127,

    You summed it up exactly. As one politician put it, the Internet Archive does not decide copyright. They have became to big for there own shoes.

    FaceDeer,
    @FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

    The thing that drives me nuts is that I really do value that baby they're carrying around. It is precious. But I don't want to give the Internet Archive money just to funnel into the pockets of their lawyers and settlement payments to big publishers due to these unrelated quixotic battles.

    I was hoping that the IA would have learned a lesson from losing this court case, they should have settled as soon as they could. I'm sure the publishers don't want the bad publicity of "destroying" the Internet Archive, they just want them to stop blatantly violating their copyrights. But this appeal suggests that they haven't learned that lesson yet.

    In an ideal world there'd either be some kind of leadership shakeup at the IA to get rid of whoever was behind this stunt, or some kind of alternative IA-like organization appears to pick up the archive before the IA goes broke and its collection ends up being sold off to the highest bidder. Or simply destroyed.

    grue,

    I’m sure the publishers don’t want the bad publicity of “destroying” the Internet Archive

    LOL. LMAO, even.

    I have little doubt that publishers detest the Internet Archive and the deepest desire of their shriveled, blackened heart is to (figuratively) mount its stuffed corpse as a trophy over their fireplace mantel.

    JubilantJaguar,

    Cynicism like this is completely unfalsifiable not to mention unproductive.

    jjlinux,

    True, but that doesn’t make him wrong. While generalizing is inherently wrong, the chances of ANY corporation giving a fuck about their image for destroying something that could spell them not earning a couple of bucks is low to null.

    Look around. The amount of complains about privacy breaches from all the tech giants, and some midgets, is at its highest ever, and do you see any of them pedaling back?

    I am part of an executive suite myself, and while I’m trying to make a difference, you should see the ridiculous amount of pushback I get on ANYTHING that could spell improving user and staff experience, sometimes even when it has absolutely no negative financial impact. It’s like they’re programmed to destroy.

    You will find a few good men and women in the Corp world, but this few can’t do much against the majority, which happens to be full of bloodsucking pricks.

    JubilantJaguar,

    Sure. I personally find cynicism intensely irritating. It’s infectious so it inevitably ends up poisoning everything. Nobody ever solved any problem with cynicism. In fact I’d go further: all the world’s backward societies (i.e. most of them) are characterized by all-pervasive cynicism (“they’re in it for themselves”, “they’re all crooks”, “nothing will ever change”), whereas the successful countries (few in number) are the ones where people have a more optimistic view of others’ motives. Cynicism is so obviously a self-fulfilling prophesy that I struggle to understand why so many choose to indulge it. I’ve heard a theory that it makes people feel better about their own helplessness. Perhaps I’m too logical but I wish people would choose not to wallow in pessimism - after all, nobody can prove anything one way or the other when it comes to the motivations of others. And oddly, most humans tend to trust others that they know personally. Personally don’t see why strangers would somehow be a different variety of human. Rant over.

    jjlinux,

    I’ve heard a theory that it makes people feel better about their own helplessness.

    That certainly sounds like an accurate theory, and I have been known to be cynical about stuff every so often, and am still trying to remove that from my personality. It may have been a defense mechanism developed to block all the helplessness, as that theory describes, but that does not justify my demeanor in those instances.

    Like you, I believe having an optimistic stand in front of all the adversity, if nothing else, makes things a bit more manageable. And I agree that if more people dropped cynicism, the world would be all the better for it. Having said that, once that’s embedded in a person’s character, removing it is an entire re-learning process which requires one to forcibly unlearn it, because it does turn into a subconscious reaction.

    possiblylinux127,

    It is not a great situation. I wish they would break into smaller organizations

    wizardbeard,

    Exactly. I hate fucking everything about this. I love the internet archive and ^nearly^ all they do.

    In principal I love their “covid-19 emergency library” or whatever they called it. In practice? They absolutely know better than to pull stunts and I’m terrified that this will spell the end for one of the greatest knowledge and media resources of the modern age. For shit that was effectively already available to the public through ebook piracy sites.

    They already operated on shaky ground, hosting downloads for a metric ton of shit that is unquestionably still under copyright (despite their claims to only be archival of things that are not), skating by on technicalities and by not drawing too much attention to themselves.

    Plus, there were so fucking many better ways to do the “free digital library” thing without jeapordizing themselves.

    • Have some volunteers “misuse resources”: load an SSD up with the book files, “borrow” some compute power to decrypt/remove drm, pass batches off to existing ebook “dumping” groups to stagger releases and obsfucate the true source. This would ensure that any material they had which was not already available on the high seas would get there.
    • Make a big red banner on the site to a blog post with the generic “While we would never condone piracy or copyright infringement, we understand that times are extremely hard right now [blah blah] here are some links to community guides on how to access learning literature (pirate ebooks) during these trying times [blah blah] Please abide by your local laws.”
    SzethFriendOfNimi, (edited )

    I love the internet archive but yeah, there was just no way this wasn’t going to backfire. And by handling things the way they did they damaged the reasonable defense of archivist (not only for themselves) because publishers and others often cite that archival and backups are just “pseudonyms” “synonymous” for piracy.

    They aren’t but the way this was handled made it impossible for them to argue otherwise and it also creates a legal precedent for lawsuits and judgments by publishers against others who are doing such work.

    rottingleaf,

    it’s a threat to the future of “libraries” that decide to completely ignore copyright and give out an unlimited number of copies of ebooks

    So do I, so this is very bad.

    lemmyvore,

    They did not ignore copyright. The judge brazenly and incorrectly dismissed all their arguments for fair use. They had no way to foresee they would meet a judge that would go that far.

    ZILtoid1991,

    They should have:

    • Not sell out to AI.
    • Deleted doxxing info (they already removed stuff like Mike Matei’s racist webcomics on behalf of Mike Matei).
    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Mike Matei’s racist webcomics

    What’s this, now?

    Oh. Oh, no! I’d heard he was a shitty person, but I wasn’t expecting that!

    delirious_owl, (edited )
    @delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

    There’s no link. Down voted.

    Update: OP updated the post to include a link. Up voted.

    Emmie,

    Seriously no one cares if you downvote or upvote stuff. Get lost with your inept attempt at manipulation

    Yeah and I was supposed to stay calm and cute this whole week see what you have done with your shitty comment?

    delirious_owl,
    @delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

    I was asking others to downvote low effort content to improve the quality of the content on the platform for others.

    Emmie, (edited )

    Yeah where? You just said down voted like your personal opinion on the post mattered. Then edited to say upvoted like anyone cared or you were deluded into thinking it was thanks to your little tiny point down

    Maybe I am angry but the frikin internet archive is going down, I hate this shit

    Rekorse,

    Why can’t anyone spot a grift anymore? The IA is hugely profitable, and is very clearly crafting PR statements designed to increase donations. Has noone had their trust abused before? If they were trying to make change around this subject they wouldnt be so dishonest in their messaging.

    IA are not Robin Hood.

    moreeni,

    How is IA profitable?

    ulterno,
    @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

    Same question here. How can they be profitable if they are a registered non-profit?

    Is it somehow possible to pay employees exorbitant salaries, similar to Mozilla’s CEO?

    delirious_owl,
    @delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

    Non profit doesn’t mean revenue can’t exceed expenses. It means that the org can’t be owned by investors, and the org can’t pay dividends.

    ulterno,
    @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

    Interesting. And there really is nothing stopping someone in control from getting themselves a huge portion of it, while laying off staff?

    That seems like a huge flaw that someone with the required people skills (read, social engineering) can exploit.

    Anti Commercial-AI license

    Emmie, (edited )

    Of course, it happens all the time with many non profit orgs. They even pest you and call people for donations. You didn’t know?

    My grandma is pestered daily from some organisations that ‚help poor kids’ or whatever. Pretty lucrative business.

    Some even get public money and are connected to politicans that sometimes launder public money through them, seemingly with no consequences.

    Legitimate ones will never whore for cash with spam emails or calls and won’t be connected to government. All the rest are just get rich schemes.

    You have to do proper, thorough research before you donate money to some kids helping org or similar. Else you will just fund someone’s Porsche.

    Emmie, (edited )

    IA my guess is they are mostly legit but it’s puzzling where they ended up

    delirious_owl,
    @delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

    Legitimate nonprofits definitely will ask you for donations.

    Emmie, (edited )

    Yeah well if they call/mail you specifically getting your contact from some leak database you can safely mark them as scam. As great number of them are.

    Similarly you wouldn’t give money to beggars in the street because you know most of them aren’t in need of help but make money like this, scamming ppl while those that really need help are helped by various legit orgs you give money to instead.

    Those scummy orgs are like these beggars manipulating you into pity. It’s very powerful manipulation mechanism and very often works. My grandma was scammed like this many times before we persuaded her to not send money to random people. Instead you should sit down, browse the list of legit orgs and choose one/few to support once a year/month with some amount.

    Or you can just pay taxes if in a country with robust, developed social welfare system and enjoy.

    delirious_owl,
    @delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

    Thats not a violation of being a nonprofit. If someone does work, they should get paid for their work.

    The point of a nonprofit is to prevent folks who don’t work from stealing the org’s cash. Really, this is the baseline for any ethical org. All for-profit companies should just straight-up be illegal to form.

    possiblylinux127,

    Is this suppost to be a link

    Moorshou,

    I was trying to link to Battleforlibraries but I failed, it’s my first lemmy post

    delirious_owl,
    @delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

    Please update the post to include the link. Use the edit button.

    Moorshou,

    Okay I edited the post and changed the link, tell me If I was successful!

    delirious_owl,
    @delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

    It was successful. Thank you.

    parpol,

    Lots of people hate blockchain technology, but you can neither take down nor ddos websites hosted on web3.0. You also cannot threaten with legal actions againts the many nodes that run the blockchain because you don’t know who those are.

    wizardbeard,

    This is the worst kind of misrepresentation of tech. Nothing you said is explicitly false, it sounds true in passing, but it sure is effectively false.

    The amount of data you can actually store in any single node/transaction on a given blockchain is traditionally very small. Even most NFTs are not truly “on the chain” as in the image data fully stored in a node/element, it’s instead a “smart contract” which just says X identity owns Y (with Y itself being stored elsewhere). There have been many many attempts at actually storing data on various chains and there hasn’t been any successes significant enough to come even close to being able to store the classic 90’s Space Jam website, let alone the fucking Internet Archive.

    Beyond that, you absolutely can take down nodes in a chain, so to speak. Numerous major “heists” have been “rolled back” or had their nodes/transactions flagged to be ignored by marketplace admins.

    makeasnek,
    @makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

    You’re right about NFTs. There’s no reason to store the data on chain. Chain stores the metadata and pointers to the files (IPFS, torrent/magnet link whatever). Chain administers how many copies etc should exist and enforces those rules. Filecoin etc have already successfully done this.

    parpol,

    You use IPFS for the website itself, and the blockchain to guarantee donations cannot get frozen or stolen like on patreon, and also to keep track of the files on IPFS. The latter is why you need the blockchain and no alternative work.

    Think magnet links, but you can’t take down hosts who share the links like piratebay.

    makeasnek, (edited )
    @makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

    Downvote this guy all you want, but this is an incredibly true point. For 15 years, Bitcoin has maintained a distributed, uncensorable ledger, the question is, can we use similar ledger tech to store archive.org? Wikipedia is a single point of failure, so is Archive.org. So is the library of congress. We could easily store all the text content of wikipedia on chain that’s under 100GB, along with IPFS pointers to media content. Long-term, humanity needs a resilient censorship-resistant system to store our collective knowledge and history. These systems, when sufficiently large, are uncensorable and incredibly difficult to exercise undue influence against or shut down. Ask anybody whose tried to get a judge to enforce a judgement against the bitcoin blockchain lol. And they can survive quite well major disruptive events like wars, natural disasters, and even widespread network disruptions. Blockchain can also solve the spam problem that plagued early P2P systems like Gnutella/Ed2k/etc. Everybody moved to BitTorrent because we could trust custodians (trackers and indexers) to curate lists of valid torrents. But that can be decentralized now.

    There’s over a dozen different blockchain projects working on the “file storage problem”, some of them have very interesting proposals, at least one of those is going to emerge from the smoke with something that will replicate archive.org’s current role, but it might be a few years before that happens. Already, we have blockchains which offer “decentralized file storage marketplace” that competes pretty well with current file storage providers (AWS etc), and some of them have been running for years.

    smileyhead,

    And guess what? You don’t need blockchain for that.

    Torrents exists, IPFS dropped dependency on block chain. What blockchain do is that if your literal neighbor has the file you want, you must first connect to the global super inefficient network to sync your chain. And if you have censored Internet? Well…

    Layer torrent on top of Yggdrasil on top of I2P and you’ll get faster, more decentralized and more resilient network than any blockchain ever done. Such network would continue to work from friend to friend even if your whole town get cut from global net.

    parpol,

    Yes, torrents exist, and people get fined or go to jail for seeding them, especially ebooks, movies and music, which is what the internet archive hosts.

    Same would apply to yggdrasil.

    But no one is going to jail for running an Ethereum node even if illegal file sharing occurs as a result of it because it is impossible to prevent it by design.

    programmer_belch,
    @programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    You don’t need blockchain to accomplish what the internet archive is, just a network of computers that share a part of their disk space to the other computers. This is just a torrent network at the end of the day

    parpol,

    Except you can take down piratebay and send the founders to jail. You can’t take down Ethereum, or anything hosted on it.

    LiveLM,

    ???
    Taking down PirateBay didn’t kill the torrents it hosted

    parpol,

    No, but it landed the founders in jail. Are you suggesting we just accept jail as an outcome if we want to save the internet archive?

    parpol,

    Piratebay itself was taken down. You need piratebay to distribute the magnet links.

    programmer_belch,
    @programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Well then, just use an anonymus service to distribute magnet links (i2p, tor, blockchain)

    parpol,

    Fully agree. In fact, that’s what I’m suggesting in my original comment.

    Web3 is essentially just indexing links. But since indexing links to pirated data is illegal, that’s why the blockchain is needed. Sure, tor is also viable, but riskier for the people hosting the websites.

    programmer_belch,
    @programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I agree but I find blockchain technology too costly hardwarewise, a simple anonimizing network may be enough

    Scolding0513,

    corporations attack anything that might challenge their ability to make a quick buck: everyone and everything else be damned. sadly the only way to overcome this kind of monster is a decentralized network of information hoarders. appealing lawsuits is just a bandaid.

    the internet archive needs to reorganize. as long as it makes itself into a target as a centralized org, it will also get shot at by soulless corporate husks. im envisioning moving everything onto ipfs, that way anyone can help host as much or little as they like.

    N0x0n,

    Ipfs into I2P would probably be ideal !

    Scolding0513,

    i2p integration would be awesome

    FaceDeer,
    @FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

    They don't need to do anything so drastic. They just need to stop doing things that blatantly provoke legal attacks like this. Their "Emergency Covid Library" was a foolish stunt that is endangering their primary objective of information preservation, they wouldn't have been sued if they'd just kept on carrying on as they were before.

    stoy,

    Yeah, as soon as I read about that I realized that they fucked up.

    It was increadibly irresponsible by them at their current legal status.

    Scolding0513,

    the corporations dont care. why should the archive be under the pressure of the soulless suits at all? any “stunts” are just excuses for doing what they will do anyway: pick on anyone who doesnt bow to their petty whims.

    no, saying that this is the archive’s fault is so gross, and just says that you accept their bullying and blackmail as somehow moral

    archive should decentralize, that’s the only real solution imo

    wizardbeard,

    Archive has been around for well over a decade with no issues outside of sporadic DMCA claims against user uploaded content. For many many years they have been left alone, despite hosting a shit ton of copyrighted material.

    Occasional legal battles that they’ve handled with no problems with the help of the EFF. This is the first “existential threat” to them in quite a long time.

    This is absolutely because they pulled the emergency library stunt, and they were loud as hell about it. They literally broke the law and shouted about it.

    Libraries are allowed to scan/digitize books they own physically. They are only allowed to lend out as many as they physically own though. Archive knew this and allowed infinite “lend outs”. They even openly acknowledged that this was against the law in their announcement post when they did this.

    I can absolutely say this is their own damn fault while disagreeing with the law they broke. There, I just did.

    Scolding0513,

    this is a fair assessment.

    regardless, if they want to do what they’re doing, they need to decentralize.

    WhatAmLemmy,

    They need to decentralize because it was always only a matter of time before they pissed off the wrong capitalist sociopath or piss baby politician.

    possiblylinux127,

    They could just not poke the bear

    pupbiru,

    they tied meat to themselves and ran at the bear screaming

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