paultimate14,

In this entire article, not even a single attempt to quantity the number of complaints.

This sounds to me like an extremely small minority. It appears as though Fallout 4 has sold over 25 million copies, and there’s… Maybe a couple dozen people on the Internet complaining?

RizzRustbolt,

The updates will continue until the free modications stop getting updated.

arefx,

Bethesda, EA, Ubisoft, Activision Blizzard. All companies I no longer spend my money on.

frauddogg,

ITT: techbros white-knighting for M$FT and BGS so hard that I genuinely believe their fathers might be Xbox Ones

Cowbee,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

How dare you complain about the Treat Providers?!

deeves,

Reason on why Fallout New Vegas is the best Fallout:

Bethesda despises it so much that it’ll never get an update, remaster, or get repacked into an anniversary edition.

No Todds, No Masters

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

Given that it was made by a different company, doing anything with it may actually be legally complicated.

VaultBoyNewVegas, (edited )

Yet Bethesda are/were the publishers when it released and Beth owned the fallout IP then and continues to own the IP.

ExfilBravo,

Different company but the same dev tools and game engine.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Isn’t Obsidian also owned by Microsoft? Pretty sure it’s just a matter of Satya Nadella giving the greenlight

JakJak98,

Yes. Which is why there’s so much speculation about the fallout rights being given back to Obsidian for more.

I wouldn’t mind west coast to be taken by obsidian and east coast by beth tbh.

cmbabul,

Naw fuck that, Bethesda gets from Virginia up through New England, I want obsidian to get a crack at the southeast and Midwest

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

based obsidian dying to save new vegas, modern day jesus christ

theonyltruemupf,

Such a weird narrative that Bethesda hates New Vegas. Fallout 3 also doesn’t have a remaster or anniversary edition.

With Bethesda’s blessing, season two of the show likely revolves around New Vegas.

deeves,

Personal conspiracy theory time:

The only reason they are going to New Vegas for season 2, is to lay down a whole bunch of Bethesda-fied revisionist history about the whole Nevada area.

They would want to torch the playing field, and make creating a New Vegas 2 that is worth a damn impossible, in anticipation of the possibility Microsoft might put Obsidian on Fallout too, after Outer Worlds 2.

After the studio closures Microsoft just did? Todd is probably, and absolutely justifiably, scared shitless with Obsidian and MGM Amazon’s ‘friendly’ competition.

rustyfish,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I know, the show came out and everyone is hyped because of that. But maybe put those resources into fixing shit in Starfield?

Caligvla,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Starfield was so forgettable even Bethesda already forgot about it.

deeves,

And you know what? That would be fine.

If they market it as a side experiment, a AA game, priced at $40.

But no, they marketed it as Star Citizen 2.

GoodEye8,

Don’t you know Bethesda? They won’t even fix bugs that are thoroughly documented by the community and take 5 minutes to fix. They’re not going to fix a game that is missing entire features.

Prox,

Starfield can’t be fixed. The game’s issues are rooted in its core - procedurally generated maps, zero-consequence writing, forgettable gunplay. They could fix stuff like base building, giving it an actual purpose, for example. But in order to make exploration and role playing interesting/fun they’d have to effective make a whole new game.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

I’m still optimistic. No Man’s Sky, Cyberpunk, and Fallout 76 took their heaping trash and glued things until it became fun. And Starfield has a lot of really good working pieces that can be salvaged.

But you might also be right. I can’t imagine Bethesda fixing quests or narrative elements.

arefx, (edited )

Cyberpunk had a good story and characters, and basis for a game it just was rushed lut the door unfinished. They actually care about making No Man’s Sky better and delivering on their initial promise, then surpassing it when they initially failed and let everyone down. Bethesda doesn’t care. They just want money. They aren’t going to even consider making starfield a good game unless They add an atom shop first and stuff to spend the money on

RizzRustbolt,

I think you’re wrong about that.

They’d use a seperate currency for a Starfield shop.

TheObviousSolution,

Shouldn’t they just beg Bethesda to incorporate the script extenders directly into the new releases or the script extender devs to update?

BleatingZombie,

I’m far from an expert with mod development, but this seems like the best way out of the mess they’ve put themselves in. I think modders would come in droves if they made it really easy

Lizardking27,

No, they’re not.

CloutAtlas,

Todd Howard: we hear you fans, we are currently working on updates for Morrowind, Starfield and Elder Scrolls Online which will break add-on/mod support and ruin the frame rate for those games instead of just FO4!

VulKendov,
@VulKendov@reddthat.com avatar

Elder Scrolls Online isn’t a Bethesda (BGS) game.

jsomae,

I’d be thrilled to get another Morrowind expansion.

Paradoxvoid,
@Paradoxvoid@aussie.zone avatar

Too bad, you get a battlepass instead!

zeerphling,
@zeerphling@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Are you familiar with Tamriel Rebuilt? The team has been adding content to the mainland of Morrowind for 20 years. They’re technically not finished, but there’s plenty to do.

There’s also Project: Tamriel with Skyrim: Home of the Nords and Province: Cyrodiil. There’s not as much content as Tamriel Rebuilt, but all are being actively worked on.

jsomae,

Yes! Tamriel rebuilt is really cool.

ethanolparty,
NoSpiritAnimal,
@NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world avatar

Console skyrim mod enjoyers are weeping having to re-download 75 mods because Todd liked the word Creations more.

v4ld1z,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

Or weeping because mod creators pulled their mods in protest :(

StaySquared,

lol perfect.

joyjoy,

I play vanilla. As long as the updates stop my constant crashes on Linux, update away.

trigg,

I play vanilla

constant crashes

Yeah that sounds right.

JokeDeity,

I mean, I get it, I do, I love modding… But can’t they just not upgrade or even downpatch?

Cethin,

They can. The issue is it’d eventually split the community. Mods that no longer have support will be lost, and the ones that do will either decide it isn’t worth updating each time or have to put up two versions. It also creates needless new work for people, especially the F4SE devs.

JokeDeity,

Damn shame. I hope they don’t touch my baby NV.

KuraiWolfGaming,

Just look at the current state of Skyrim modding.

Aside from some still holding to LE. There are the 1.5.97 SE users and the 1.6+ AE users. And there have been at least one or two more updates in the 1.6 line that also caused more issues and require their own dedicated builds of various mods.

Its fucked

biribiri11,

It’s not that they can’t, it’s that people are getting blindsided by updates to a game which supposedly hasn’t received updates for over half a decade, and downgrading on Steam is a surprisingly huge PITA. The Midnight Ride recommends patching, fwiw.

JokeDeity,

I thought TMR was getting discontinued over this?

biribiri11,

No, fortunately enough. A FO5 written by Obsidian could be released as a bug-free superset of FO4, but includes the whole USA and the moddinglinked people would still be trying to mod FO4.

GBU_28,

Why are they accepting automatic updates???

TachyonTele,

Because the game is old and hasn’t been worked on in years. They’re no reason to even think about turning off updates for it unless you happen to know the random years later update is coming.

But I learned the hard way awhile ago with Xcom 2. They “update” that all the time, but don’t do anything to the game, is just the shitty launcher they keep updating every month.

GBU_28,

Manual updates are the way. Pin your versions.

thingsiplay,

Steam doesn’t have a version pinning. Automatic updates are forced.

biribiri11,

In my particular case, I just didn’t know it was enabled (my modding guide mentioned a way to stop it, but I guess I did it incorrectly). The game hadn’t received updates in half a decade, and I don’t really use Steam for anything else. Apparently, I wasn’t the only one in that boat.

away2thestars,
@away2thestars@programming.dev avatar

How can you even downgrade on steam?

a_wild_mimic_appears,

you download the corresponding depots using the console / steamcmd. Here’s the process using the console.

biribiri11,

Most tutorials I can find involve enabling the steam cli, then using steamdb to look up the “depots” of previous versions and downloading the old update in chunks, then unpacking and copying the old game files to your install location. Not exactly convenient.

wiccan2,

This is starting to feel like their way of blocking Fallout London from releasing indefinitely.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

bethesda has historically hated mods and the people who make them. its why their games have such a small modding scene

PolandIsAStateOfMind,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

Well the updates to Skyrim, Fallout and lack of modding tools for Starfield seems to indicate that it is now a reality. I seriously cannot fathom why they would sabotage themselves like that. It’s absolutely obvious since at least Oblivion that mods are lifeline and reason for success of Bethesda rpg games yet here we are.

Phoenix3875,

My gut feeling is that the procedural generation thing in Startfield somehow absorbs some people’s need for mods.

FenrirIII,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, clearing out the exact same building 40 times is much more entertaining than having a different building layout. /s

PolandIsAStateOfMind,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

No, not really. After Starfield released mod scene EXPLODED capital letters, there were hundred new mods every day. However, without proper tools 95% of those mods are very simple reskins and modders got burned out and bored on this fast. Now we are 8 months after release with still no tools and that enthusiasm is largely gone. Part of it will still be back, but the best moment to establish a vibrant mod community has passed.

JackbyDev,

Minecraft has procedural stuff but still has lots of mods.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

the games sold just fine on console, before modding was possible on it. never got this modding saves bethesda narrative. its just a neat addition

yamanii,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

I think for profit companies want to sell more than fine.

ilinamorato,

But the point of Bethesda isn’t to sell their games. It’s to sell GamePass. Nobody has to play Fallout, they just have to want to play Fallout enough to buy GamePass.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

their games did that too

Glytch,

They’ve certainly gotten more hostile to mods since the M$ acquisition. At least mods that don’t want to play ball with the creation club nonsense.

JackbyDev, (edited )

I seriously doubt that. Bethesda’s titles are generally some of the most moddable mainstream titles. I missed sarcasm.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

that was my point yes. in fact bethesda loves mods so much they will straight up hire modders as devs. i think the sim settlement guy got hired

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

I believe you may have missed some sarcasm in that comment.

JackbyDev,

Whoops. Chalking this up to Poe’s law

100,

let me guess, they still did not learn to add a beta branch for the old version after all the shit with skyrim mods and anniversary edition

Agrivar,

I am so glad that Irongate is being much smarter with Valheim. You can opt into the beta and also choose older versions of the game to downgrade to, all within Steam. Very helpful for an early-access game with tons of mods and sporadic updates.

FlihpFlorp,

I actually downgraded from Skyrim SE to oldrim in November. I started playing modded after a hiatus after the first big update whatever that was

Everything a little harder to deal with but at least I don’t have to worry about it updating

Rip in peace my mod list: from whenever I started to December

laughterlaughter, (edited )

I don’t understand why people put up with this with a freaking game. I will never pay money to companies that do this stuff. There are literally tens of thousands of games available right now that are perfectly enjoyable.

FlihpFlorp,

I get that. For me modding is part of that experience and maybe it’s Stockholm syndrome but Skyrim itself is kinda fun with mods just with how many there are

TheDoctor,
@TheDoctor@hexbear.net avatar

The most thriving mod communities are ones for games that have essentially been abandoned by their publisher. Bethesda is infamous for trying to integrate with its modding scene and personally I don’t care for it.

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