What kind of pretentious loser names an opinion blog site after himself, and bestows a “.org” at the end
The more I read this crap the more obvious it is this bullshit article relies on lengthy annoying paragraphs that no one wants to read and a “.org” at the end to sound more official
Myth #1: Israel is guilty of “genocide” in Gaza.
The term “genocide” has a clear meaning—it’s the destruction or attempted destruction of a whole people.
Yes , 95% of people starving in the world were in Gaza when Israel chose to withhold aid to them. That is the attempted destruction of a whole people
Myth #2: International Humanitarian Law Requires that Israel’s response to Palestinian aggression be “proportional.”
I’m as anti Israel as it gets, and I’ve never heard this argument that you’re legally bound to proportional, sounds like this author really likes the title of the blog counting up to 5.
That said, there are tons of MORAL arguments against disproportionately killing civilians, but the only legal one that comes to mind is when Israel evacuated Gazans to a region in the south, then bombed that region with white phosphorus cbsnews.com/…/israel-hamas-war-white-phosphorous-…
Myth #3: The Jews Are Colonizers and the Palestinians are Indigenous People.
Not the Jews, but, the Israelis are colonizers. Biblically they were a nomadic war faring tribe. They never were a country. The west created a colony to project power in the middle east because they had no other allies there. Israel is a country in a region called Palestine. Palestinians never formed a government that resembled something the west could do business with
In colonialism, the colony has superior technology. The middle east just industrialized, how the hell could Palestinians have been anything but natives the last few thousand years
Myth #4: The atrocities committed by Hamas (and over one thousand Palestinian civilians) on October 7th were a legitimate response to oppression.
Israel left Gaza in 2005—forcibly removing thousands of its own citizens—and billions of dollars in international aid have since been spent there. So the “oppression” of the Palestinians in Gaza—by Israel—is at least debatable.
This is so fucking stupid I’m just going to leave this here. “Oppression” lmao, why the air quotes? Being born in a ghetto doesn’t count as being oppressed?
Myth #5: The two sides in this conflict are equally civilized, equally entitled to respect, and equally worth protecting.
I actually agree with this. You can’t compare violence between two groups when one group (Israel) is occupying the other (Palestine). The violence from Palestinians against Israel is like violence from black people to the police. It’s not good, but it’s not the same. One group is oppressed and radicalized from that, the other group is systematically oppressing the other
The term “genocide” has a clear meaning—it’s the destruction or attempted destruction of a whole people.
Yes , 95% of people starving in the world were in Gaza when Israel chose to withhold aid to them. That is the attempted destruction of a whole people
Not sure why you are debating semantics here, as that statement is just straight up wrong, which can be easily confirmed by taking a single look at article 2 of the Genocide Convention (emphasis mine):
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such
Both Israel and Hamas have blood on their hands. I know we all like the whole Good vs. Bad but in an eye for eye situation, they are both wrong. People, on both sides, suffer. If the politicians would fight on the front, they would be less eager to create these situations.
Edit: I am not defending the Israeli Actions nor the Hamas actions. It is fucked up situation. Israel in the first place, shouldn’t have been created. However it is, and they should make the best of it. WITHOUT COMMITTING GENOCIDE. For people who believe in a good God, they sure are willing to kill.
All I am saying is that the ones that are not fighting, are suffering. Rockets land in Gaza, Rockets land in Israel. People, yes on both sides, are dying.
I am against the actions of Hamas, I am very against the actions of Israel.
Israel is not fighting against Hamas. Israel is fighting against all Palestinians, of which only a tiny fraction is Hamas. Well or rather they are fightinf against Hamas, but they are slaughtering the other Palestinians.
Israel is past the need to defend itself. Now they are taking the opportunity to commit genocide and displace the Palestinians from Gaza.
I suggest Israel root out Hamas. Then hold elections to create a Palestinian government that’s willing to negotiate with Israel for their own state
The iron dome also isn’t perfect and doesn’t change the intent. If I make my house bullet proof and you shoot it every day in the hopes of killing me at some point I have the right to get rid of you by some method surely?
To do “self defence”, all Israel had to do was guard its borders and have some diplomatic solution that didn’t completely dehumanize Palestinians, maybe policies that listen to expert opinions on these subjects and how this is causing extremism to double. They didn’t need to invade “in self defence”.
If I make my house bullet proof and you shoot it every day in the hopes of killing me at some point I have the right to get rid of you by some method surely?
Alright so from your perspective it seems you expect Israel to do all the heavy lifting here. Just ignore the attacks and hope Hamas is willing to negotiate one day? Even though they make it clear they want to remove Israel
What should the Palestinians/Hamas be doing? Continuing with their current course of action until Israel decides to do something different?
So what exactly does that entail? Remove all troops, accept continued missile attacks and pray that Hamas eventually gets sick of it and negotiates?
I don’t think you’re really considering the actions and goals of Hamas here. Is anything they do justified as long as they don’t have their own state away from Israel?
And surprlse surprise how you spin the discussion in the last question towards wanting to make me look like someone who justifies kidnapping and murder
I’m not spinning anything. I want to know why you expect Israel to do all the work towards peace?
Do you expect Hamas to change nothing? Because I can’t imagine telling Israel “hey we know these guys are firing missile after missile at you but can you please stop fighting back and let them continue”
Realistically the first move towards peace without continued conflict has to come from Hamas. Or Israel need to have removed Hamas completely, pick one
I’m not spinning anything. I want to know why you expect Israel to do all the work towards peace?
Please. Don’t shit me.
Your last question:
I don’t think you’re really considering the actions and goals of Hamas here. Is anything they do justified as long as they don’t have their own state away from Israel?
What a nice false dichotomy, though!
In any case, how sad them for Israel that it has successfully created the Hamas of today and tomorrow, and for years to come because of its violent approach.
I propose Israel stop the weapons embargo on Gaza, allowing Gazans to arm themselves. The embargo obviously doesn’t work for keeping weapons from Hamas. It does, however, make the honest people of Gaza totally powerless to resist their dictators.
That’s a different point, isn’t it? The comment above seems to suggest that Hamas doesn’t have support from the vast majority of Palestinians. In reality, if they had weapons, it appears they might use them the exact same way Hamas did.
So only 30% of Gazans don’t support what Hamas is doing? Gee I wonder what would happen if 30% of a country rose up against its dictators.
Much tinier percentages of people have overthrown dictators.
If those 70% want to pick up weapons to attack Israel, then at a bare minimum it would mean less injustice in the Israeli bombings. (still massive injustice even if only 30% in an area are non-combatants don’t get me wrong).
Gazans are being held, in a de facto sense, responsible for the actions of Hamas, in the sense they are feelings the attacks meant for Hamas.
But without the opportunity to bear arms, Gazans cannot, in any circumstance, be actually ethically responsible. They are being actively prevented from taking a stance of responsibility because they are actively prevented from having any power.
Weapons are power. Without power they can have no responsibility. And yet they are being held responsible by Israeli weapons. It is unjust.
Gazans should have the opportunity to throw off their dictators. If they take that opportunity, and instead use it to join those dictators, so be it. They can feel the consequences of that. They already are.
The blockade of weapons prevents this situation from resolving in a just way.
I’m sorry, but whose currently suffering on the Israeli side? Because Gaza is literally starving. And the Aid trucks are idling at the border with food that the IDF refuses to let through.
Both of which are things the families of 27,000 Gazans cannot do right now. They have no jobs, no food, and there’s a good chance their friends are dead too.
Nope. No you don’t get to go down that road. We dealt with that uncertainty in Iraq without causing a massive famine or using 2,000 pound bombs. There are no excuses for genocide, and certainly not victim blaming.
Sounds like you’re trying to lump every person in Gaza in with Hamas. Professional soldiers have procedures for those situations. Ones Israel isn’t using.
I’m very clearly saying that when you’re fighting a group who straps bombs to kids, you have to consider that even those appearing to be regular civilians might be a threat.
Oh but you are. Because we’ve done this. We know how to deal with those problems without committing a genocide. The only reason to answer charges of genocide with , “but the kids might have weapons!” Is to blame the victims.
The calculus changes when everything from ambulances to children could be actual, literal bombs.
That’s a really weird way to say, “I’ll kill any Palestinian that moves, even the cattle, because I can’t even bother viewing them as human beings”.
Would it be acceptable if someone shot an Israeli ambulance, saying, “well, you never know these days, these ambulances are full of IDF ready to attack!”?
That’s like blaming Jews during world war 2 for putting up resistance against their fascist rulers. It is such a mischaracterization of the situation that it is damaging to the Palestinian people.
I hear at least one of the Jedi was a Sith, good thing they were defunded. Now if we could only defund all the conspiracy theorists about the emperor being a Sith as well.
Mods are for enforcing community rules. This is a shitpost community, not a debate community. The rules are very clear on the sidebar and ‘bad faith arguments’ is not one of them.
Feel free to find a different community if you want to report ‘bad faith arguments’ multiple times. If you do it here, I’m going to tell you to stop before I act. Because I prefer give warnings.
And you can’t enforce ANY rule without protecting your people against bad faith arguing. It’s a foundation of ALL communities, whether explicitly written in its guidelines or not, because meaningful debate is the foundation of ALL human interaction and is primarily what abuse and harassment is.
The needs of your people are more important than your laziness, selfishness, and unwillingness to do your job. Don’t like it? Step the fuck down. You go find a different community to play king over if you don’t like it.
Okay, I think you need to take a break. We’ll see you in a week. I wouldn’t advise telling another mod to ‘step the fuck down.’ They might be less lenient.
Your feelings are noted. If you don’t wish to join them, you will let the subject drop.
This is Lemmy Shitpost. You are allowed to have as many bad faith arguments as you want. If you keep flagging people for it, you’ll be asked, politely, to stop. Which is what happened.
I’m sorry that you both find this so ridiculously unreasonable. What’s interesting is that the person I asked to stop did not.
@snek Maybe you could Crosspost this to !politicalmemes if you’re on mobile and don’t have crosspost button just make a new post using the same link as this post https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/20e095d5-b044-4e69-b1d7-486f63ac3037.png and it’ll count as a crosspost. So long as it’s the same link.
The weapons embargo in Alderaan prevented those people from handing over the Jedi. The Empire itself maintains that embargo! What were the people of Alderaan to do?
Yup, it’s a drag. We need to do something about it though, it’s like a rash. It doesn’t go away until you see the doctor, or in this case vote in someone willing to tell other countries they can’t do this shit with our weapons.
It’s destroying my mental health and I can’t cope with it. Not just the war but the constant anger. Everyone is angry about everything all the time. I hate it here. Not only that, I hate my own life too. My life is in shambles and it will take tremendous effort to repair, just so I can stay on this dying planet…
Seriously, what’s the fucking point? I don’t eat anymore cause of the stress, I don’t sleep anymore cause of the nightmares. I wish aliens would come and euthanize our entire fucking planet. I can’t take it anymore
Doesn’t have to be the whole planet, just the top 400 richest people would do wonders though. Most of us are just trying to get by, put the blame on the one misusing “human resources”.
Try to remember that the internet is not fully representative of real life. The world outside will hopefully feel less angry and stressful than this online one.
Definitely avoid social media doomscrolling. It’s fucking toxic.
That I understand. Maybe you could try a browser extension to block text or news based on keywords? One parental control extension helped me filled out news from rich people that piss me off
Maybe. But doesn’t help that I can’t go to store to buy food without seeing 10 different types of propaganda and vitriol… I can’t take it dude. I want to go to sleep and never wake up
I think that’ll eliminate at least 95% of the problem here.
Also don’t forget we live in a simulation / you’re the only person who exists, so you can smile best you can at the war news and ignore it best you can.
I hate Israel. I hate Palestine. I hate the discourse. I hate fucking EVERYTHING.
Being made to think about war every day for years on end is destroying my mental health. I can’t use a computer, watch TV, or go outside without it shoved down my throat. I can’t even go to sleep without having nightmares about it. I want off this fucking ride. I hate being alive so fucking much.
Please see a mental health professional, or seek assistance if you are in acute crisis. If you google “mental health hotline” or “crisis hotline” you’ll find a number for your country you can reach out to.
Well then, log off your main acc and create one locked just to the good feelings parts of lemmy
You do have the option of taking a digital break. You must remember thst everyone has a limit, and once you push them hard enough they tend to push back
That must be nice, not having your life put in danger so you can feel depressed about hearing other people’s life being put in danger. Hope it lasts for you, but predictions for this century say war is going to become pretty rampant globally, so I’d recommend you find a way of coping with it better.
Not like you give a shit at all but hate crimes against my kind have skyrocketed in the past few months and I was assaulted by a stranger in public about two weeks ago so I don’t appreciate the implication that this doesn’t affect me personally
There’s a video going around that pretty much has a lot to say about what biblical scholars have found out about that, you should watch it. But the world as it is has everyone essentially belonging to “people” who would be oppressed if they chose to move someplace else in the world, they just don’t build their entire identity around it. I mean, look at the Canaanites, they even have religions that completely sanctify their genocide in their scriptures.
Not what you were complaining about or even identifying with. About the only common theme is a desperate love for making yourself out to be the victim after receiving criticism.
The only one trying to live in a bubble of ignorance is yourself, my comment was leading up to the exact opposite, that if it does not affect you personally, it will, so stop acting and ignoring all the people it is affecting personally because of “me, me, me” and how and when it less severely affects you, and face it.
Getting assaulted by a stranger is bad, huh. Now apply f-ing empathy, get some off of ebay if you must. Just don’t try to get me to empathize with playing the part of an ignorant fool.
Palestine supporters are fairly unique in the fact that not caring or not having a position is unacceptable to them. You must care, you must share their viewpoint, nothing else is possible.
You didn’t see the same reaction to, for example, Ukraine being invaded. Indifference was acceptable.
You didn’t see the same reaction to, for example, Ukraine being invaded. Indifference was acceptable.
In the example of Ukraine, countries have taken countless measures to pressure Russia. In this case, counties are complicit in the genocide. There’s a difference. People don’t protest when politicians do at least the bare minimum.
I assume they were alluding to the kidnapping, raping, beheading, etc perpetrated by the terrorist organization Hamas, done as a tactical move to draw a disproportionate response from the IDF in order to win the propaganda war.
And before that Israel so happened to be just ramping up settler violence and assaulting people in Jerusalem trying to get into Al-Aqsa mosque. Totally unrelated. /s
I don’t think this is unique at all, it’s the core of all politics both left, right, authoritarian, liberal, etc. No matter what you believe, even if it’s nothing, there are always twice as many people against you than with you. It’s enough to make someone withdraw entirely.
It’s not Palestinians’ fault for being occupied and mass murdered. How are you so shameless centering and victimizing yourself for being forced to hear about people suffering genocide? This shit is unbelievable.
The only escape from something you cannot escape is to embrace it. The thing that degrades mental health is being unwillingly exposed. If the thing cannot be avoided, the only other move is to willingly expose yourself to it.
So these nightmares are coming to you without your consent. That’s why your mental health is declining. To go the other direction, you face those nightmares willingly.
One way to do this would be to write down one of your nightmares. Nobody forces you through that writing other than yourself. It happens at your pace, at your initiative.
That willing approach is the path out of your sickness.
Palestinians are being murdered and ethnically cleansed in the tens of thousands. Thousands are dying weekly and this is being documented. We are seeing the people dying. We saw with our eyes Israel destroy all requisites for life in the Gaza and prevent all food and water from entering.
On the other hand we have seen quite literally nothing supporting the claim that China is committing Uygher genocide. Literally nothing. Uygher people continue to live normally in Xinjiang. They continue to practice their allegedly repressed culture. They continue to communally practice their allegedly repressed religion. Uygher genocide only exists in the propaganda of the United States state department and the minds of those it influences and those it employs.
We haven’t seen “literally nothing”. That is a flat lie. There is a ton of evidence, presented by organisations who you choose to call liars because it allows you to deny the truth. There are non US affiliated organisations calling the Party out, too. A true humanist would not dismiss the evidence of the Xinjiang genocide. Both the Palestinians and the Uyghurs are facing genocide, and you’re petty enough to be tribal about it. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you monstrous cunt.
Unfortunately for your position, repeating a lie does not lend it any more credibility. Nor will I engage with you by pointing at the evidence. It is plentiful, and easily found.
How are you using lemmy? I use Connect on android and it has a setting for word filters that filter posts you dont want. This drastically improved my exerience once i started using it to filter trump posts.
It’s making all of us sick. I wish I could ignore all this too. I actually tried to, but then my government decided to step in on the world state and loudly pronounce “there is no genocide!”. And then cut humanitarian funding after the international court of justice anonymously found “credibly risk of genocide”. Which makes my country now complicit if this genocide is allowed to continue. Which makes me deeply ashamed and angry.
I’m basing this on the facts as presented by Israel themselves and judged practically anonymously by 15 judges of the highest court of the world. Sure, but have YOU considered you could be wrong?
If you’re wrong you’re aiding a genocide. If I’m wrong I’m just another “anti-semite”.
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