CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Seriously, if that’s the only reason they’d vote for Biden instead? W. T. A. F.

Still, if that makes him lose, okay then. But imagine being able to see his threat to democracy, but still feel that there is nothing else about Ronald McDonald that is problematic?

explodicle,

I don’t agree with it but I can understand it somewhat. Some voters don’t care about (or hate) the people currently being directly threatened, and only want to see a major economic collapse. A Republican Party dictatorship could drag on for decades and deny them that quick decisive ending.

Accelerationists aren’t just a problem for the left. Crazies all over think they just need a little chaos to get their chance.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Most (leftist) accelerationists I’ve seen are either people that are just trolling, elitist tools that are going to be able to flee the country and set up camp in the Riviera or the like, don’t actually live in this country, or just armchair revolutionaries completely ignorant of history (1). Almost no one comes out on top - eventually the revolution calls for your blood, too. To paraphrase Tyson, all these revolutionaries have a plan until they and/or their families are up against the wall and get a bullet in their head.

Actually most of the rightwing accelerationists I can think of meet the description in the first paragraph, come to think of it.

(1) I seem to recall someone (Lenin?) calling this last type eggheads because they were typically fodder when it came to violence. I suspect none of the accelerationist theorists will be on the frontlines; all of them can go fuck themselves. Just because they seem to have personal problems they want to make an entire nation, possibly the world, suffer. It’s just so childish.

jj4211,

Might not be the only reason, but it’s one of the reasons, and perhaps the most critical.

Of the reasons, this general idea is the most existential threat to our democracy. Everything else, in theory, could be undone in a subsequent election/term. The supreme court appointments are the second most dire, as those can stand for who knows how long.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, I agree it’s very important and perhaps the critical difference between the Republican and Democratic Party, however, I just find it baffling that there are voters that recognize Ronald McDonald is flawed enough to end this country but then being kinda cagey about it. Like they are still okay with his party’s terrible platform, but they just still want free and fair elections later…

And yes, the Supreme Court is a major reason to come out to vote even for those that believe that the Democratic Party is not filled with unicorns and perfect rainbows, or that , or that Ronald McDonald and his merry band of white supremacist fascist maximalist accelerationists won’t dismantle this country and plunge us into civil war and/or tyranny and genocide all because they have utterly insane ideas about how this country should work. Even if the worst weren’t to happen, Spanky is likely going to be able to name new justices.

todd_bonzalez,

Have you ever canvassed for a politician before and talked about these issues with random voters, because I have, and people are fucking weird. People who will vote straight ticket Republican except for President and then they always vote democrat. I met a woman who felt abortion should be legal except for rape or incest because it would be “destroying evidence of a crime”.

Don’t ever expect reason on sociological scales.

teamevil,

That’s like saying you’re “concerned” water is wet or the sun will rise tomorrow…it’s a certainly this scum won’t leave, even if he loses again I bet he still tries to take it by force.

Yawweee877h444,

Isn’t a bigger problem his base and supporters? They’re the ones giving him this power. Yes, we definitely want to make sure trump loses, but his supporters aren’t going anywhere. They’ll just support the next trump like person, who could be even worse.

unconsciousvoidling,

I remember thinking George Bush is the absolute worst.

menemen, (edited )
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

He is borderline senile and doesn’t live the healthiest lifestyle. He might damage the system beyond repair, but I doubt he’ll stay around for much more than one legislature.

Edit: Before getting angry and comment, do realize I wrote “he might damage the system beyond repair”…

masquenox,

He might damage the system beyond repair,

If that was the case, I’d say bring on Trump - but, somehow, I don’t think that’s going to be reality.

OneWomanCreamTeam,

He’ll damage the system, but not in a way that will make easier to overthrow. It might be better to say he will exacerbate the system.

Asafum,

They’ve already done a large portion of it. The damage is done with the judges they’ve installed not only in the scotus, but around the country.

They now have the power to legislate via the courts. They just file lawsuits in favorable locations (5th circuit) and worst case scenario it gets to the rubber stamp that is scotus so they can pontificate about how some 2nd century pig farmer proposed a law that should actually be taken as official because AmErIcAn HeRiTaGe or something.

exanime, (edited )

So my grandpa is almost blind and his hands are shaky… the chances of him hitting me with that gun he is waving around are slim to none… so I guess it’s just fine to help him load the gun and make sure he has access to it whenever he wants… right?

menemen,
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

What does that have to do with my comment?

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I guess it’s just fine to help him load the gun

I would simply vote for him not to have the gun

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

His dipshit supporters might be just fine with handing it off to one of his failsons. Or handing it off to the likes of Bannon and friends.

I mean, once the system is ruined, anything can happen. Just because he dies in office after instituting fascism, doesn’t mean we’d revert to normalcy.

RememberTheApollo_,

He’s lined his kids up behind him to take the reins. We’ve already got Lara Trump as co-char of the RNC. It’s a takeover. From the party to the judiciary to even local level politics.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

He might damage the system beyond repair

A guy like Trump doesn’t break the system, he simply exploits the oversized flaws people choose to ignore.

One of the jokes in Trump claiming “I could assassinate a political rival of I felt like it” is the recognition that he’s absolutely correct. He could have rivals arrested. He could have rivals shot. He could have whole neighborhoods bombed.

We do this overseas all the time. We just call it “regime change” and insist we did it as a favor for a population that will greet us as liberators.

The only difference between Bush sending in the marines to snatch Saddam and Trump sending in the marines to snatch Ted Cruz is which bunker they’d be hiding in.

Xanis,

“BREAKING NEWS

The United States Government is putting unprecedented money into science that may allow people to live potentially forever! AS A HEAD IN A JAR! What impact will this have on…”

Year 1 of Trump Presidency, probably.

SidewaysHighways,

No

Don’t you fuxin do that to my dearly beloved show

Xanis,

Man, I’m sorry. Go watch the Episode “Jurassic Bark”, it’ll make you feel better.

SidewaysHighways,

Dang man you woke up and chose violence

Jax,

Wait why aren’t there any hexbearians or MLs here?

irreticent,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

I think a lot of the bigger instances defederated with hexbear. Not sure where the .mls are

ProIsh,

Maybe the fear is because he’s hinted towards that and also said that?

Really need to look at both sides here. /s

stoicwisesigma,

As an avoid Trump supporter, I’ll give you lads some insight as to why he intended to do this. What few people know is that I actually made a jolly good show of runnin’ for office back around the time The Donald was about to make america great again, but sadly my efforts didn’t fall through because of the uniparty system at the time being the democrats, so my ideas never really fell through.

This is why every girl I date has to be on the alt right of the political scale and why I also join hate groups on the internet for those that do not fall into the correct side of the political spectrum. Sorry kinda lost my train of thought but yeah that’s why trump is beat president IMO.

Daft_ish,
vaultdweller013,

I legit cant tell if youre a troll or not cause you just use words in the entirely wrong places. Hell im not even convinced that you are a native English speaker because both paragraphs are fucking weird.

Ya know what im just gonna embrace my Redneck heritage and say I hope you piss off the wrong person IRL and mysteriously disappear only to be found in the outskirts of some backwater town after twenty years because they are building a new grocery store.

cowfodder,

Going with them not being a troll, just the average intelligence of Trump voters.

vaultdweller013,

Then they need to be strapped to a chair clockwork orange style and forced to watch mid 1990s to early 2000s kids edutainment shows until they cant think of anything else.

disguy_ovahea,

With a bit of the old Ludwig Van.

kromem,

I can’t fathom how you didn’t manage to win a seat in government.

Daft_ish,

Obviously it was stolen. Stop the steal! Get Alito on the line and have him flip his flag.

John_McMurray,

He’s 78 and obese. Dictator for life is like 5 years now.

Peppycito,

I thought he had 5 years left 8 years ago.

nonfuinoncuro,

honestly once you get into your 70s you’ve mostly dodged the usual things that kill unhealthy people if you’re a relatively healthy and mobile person in your 80s then you’ll probably make it into your 90s barring any major accidents

silence7,

Problem is that once you have a dictatorship, you don’t suddenly go back to elections and normal politics once the dictator dies — you get the dictator’s kid or friend running things.

John_McMurray,

Bout half the time since Cromwell

profdc9,

Somehow I don’t think Generalissimo Eric Trump is in the cards. Probably someone more like Elon Musk or Sean Hannity. A celebrity that can rile up enough violence to overcome his or her competitors.

Dagwood222,

This is the point. The Secret Police have files on everyone, and the military isn’t about to hand over their weapons.

The judges on the bench got in because they support The Man; the people collecting taxes; the teachers; everybody in government has to be replaced.

It’s easy to make soup. It’s not so easy to unmake a soup.

orbitz,

Okay so 4 year term then he becomes dictator for a year, you think that system will let go of that power once in place? Well maybe I’m not one to study thing things but it doesn’t seem likely.

John_McMurray,

Maybe you should study things. Start with Franco.

orbitz,

According to Wikipedia the elite tried to continue the dictatorship but due to pressure things transitioned. Thank you for arguing for my point.

Edit. Okay wiki didn’t say they tried to continue the dictatorship technically but that’s the implication if they were pressured to move to a democracy. So maybe my point wasn’t argued.

lagomorphlecture,

I just can’t think of any reason anyone would think that. I mean sure he said he wants to be dictator and he acts like he already thinks he’s dictator, oh and that coup thingy… nevermind I see why.

nednobbins,

Hidden? That’s literally the main argument when anyone surfaces a complaint about Biden. It’s always some variation of, “If we let Trump into the White House again our democracy is over.”

The hangup isn’t awareness, it’s acceptance. People aren’t questioning that he’d try to be dictator for life, they doubt his ability to succeed. Once you’ve seen someone try something and fail it’s reasonable to think they’re just too incompetent to succeed.

Whenever I see people ask for support for the claim they’re typically met with a hail of downvotes and name calling. That may feel righteous but it does absolutely nothing to recruit that person. Instead they’ll walk away with even stronger convictions.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Let me give you a small-text infographic about all the things Biden’s done so I can shame you into voting for him.

Please don’t actually read the list, though.

buddascrayon,

Yes, we have two absolutely shitty choices for president. So why not focus on your senate and congressional choices. Or even look at your gubernatorial elections and local senators and aldermen. A lot of those determine how the parties get to interact with the federal choices. You want better choices? Get involved.

suction, (edited )

Why would anyone take that chance? Doesn’t sound like you truly understand the stakes

homesweethomeMrL,

Undecided voters are concerned that if Donald Trump returns to the White House, he’ll never leave.

And . . . yet they’re undecided??

I don’t . . . is this a . . . I mean . . . WHAT.

misterundercoat,

Yeah but Biden is a disappointing centrist, so clearly I don’t know how choose between him and an authoritarian dictator.

JonEFive,

You make a valid point, but the reason people are undecided is that they they have no properly informed opinions. I hate this narrative that Biden is ineffective. Biden has done a lot of good things. And where congress failed, he found a way to get shit done anyway. People don’t know that because media sucks and their echo chambers don’t tell them. Or alternatively, their expectation about what a president can do in one term is completely unreasonable.

And that is all while ignoring that a republican congress will hold back the entire country for years just to make sure their guy looks better. And it works! People complain about shit not getting done but couldn’t tell you how their representatives voted on those things.

So yeah, pretty much what you said. They think the candidates are roughly the same, but they have no clue how what their candidates do actually affects them.

Quetzalcutlass,

And that is all while ignoring that a republican congress will hold back the entire country for years just to make sure their guy looks better. And it works! People complain about shit not getting done but couldn’t tell you how their representatives voted on those things.

And when something does get pushed past the obstructionism and helps people out, Republicans sometimes claim credit for the very thing they voted against.

Passerby6497,

Or they sue the government with some BS argument for standing to have it repealed by activist judges.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Also, he’s old! Or so the New York Time and other “liberal media” keep telling me! Also, Genocide Joe, etc… /s, obvs

nucleative,

Tribes, man. Fucking tribes.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

We need to go back to Earthsiege.

hperrin,

Undecided voter is a euphemism for “someone who literally does not give one shit about the world beyond their tiny little bubble in it”.

ZombiFrancis,

Pure unadulterated opportunism.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Or it means, “Republican who has enough awareness to not want to admit it in public”

kromem,

If you saw Jordan Klepper’s Russia special, John Bolton straight up says he thinks Trump will pretty much end democracy.

And then mentions that he’s going to write in a candidate when he votes.

I don’t get it man. I’m not going to be happy voting for Biden, but I’d vote in Caligula’s horse if it meant avoiding fascism overtaking democracy in the US.

Wrrzag,
@Wrrzag@lemmy.ml avatar

Dude, he’s old, obese and doesn’t take care of himself. If he wins he might not even end his term before his heart gives out.

exanime,

So my grandpa is almost blind and his hands are shaky… the chances of him hitting my with that gun he is waving around are slim to none… so I guess it’s just fine to help him load the gun and make sure he has access to it whenever he wants… right?

Sneptaur,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar
massive_bereavement,
@massive_bereavement@kbin.social avatar

So until 2045?

Pretzilla, (edited )

What does that say?

Ed: Thanks and here’s the scoop:

npr.org/…/trump-unified-reich-antisemitism-truth-…

Localhorst86,

“creation of a unified reich”

Sneptaur,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

Thanks for adding an article link to the replies. It adds context for anyone who sees this later, much appreciated.

Suavevillain,
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

Well he has gone on record saying he should be a three term President many times. You don’t have to really speculate, plus the judges are in his corner as well. I wouldn’t put it past him, he doesn’t care about rules or decorum.

theotherverion,

Luckily his age helps us.

FlaminGoku,

I’d argue it’s even worse if he dies while dictator.

jj4211,

While he specifically is problematic, more damaging would be if he proves that the American people will sign up for a guy who refuses to accept losing and tries to underminine election results and who inspires and endorses folks who openly declared they wanted to control elections to force their party to win.

That green lights a possible destruction of democracy.

He must lose to show everyone that rejecting and manipulating elections is completely unacceptable.

dhork,

Worse yet, I am afraid that Trump would die in office, then VP Donald Trump Jr would become President for 2 more terms, then by the time Eric is ready to takeover they will have already held the Constitutional Convention that turns the country into a benevolent Trump oligarchy, in which the title of “President” becomes hereditary, just as the Founders intended.

Blackbeard,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

“Yes, yes. Carry on.” - Samuel Alito

“My new TRUMP Motorcoach is really the talk of the town. Please don’t call it an RV.” - Clarence Thomas

“I’ve found some very strange lint in my navel.” - John Roberts

dhork,

“Hold my beer!” - Brett Kavanaugh

billiam0202,

“Why are you forcing me to wear the handmaid’s dress? I voted the right way!” -Justice Ofjesse

draneceusrex,

No no, she wants to wear the dress.

frezik,

She’d be a Wife rather than a Handmaid, and that’s where she wants to be.

Pretzilla,

“The handsmaid’s look is really coming back in style.” - Amy Coney Island

RattlerSix,

The only thing I disagree with is the use of the word benevolent

Fixbeat,

Maybe they meant malevolent.

billiam0202,

“Benevolent” being used in the same sense that China is a People’s Republic, or NK is Democratic.

dhork,

Well, they think they’re beneveolent, at least with regard to the people who they feel deserve it.

Dragomus,

He’s already King of Trump Tower, and ofcourse “the bestest American”, so by rights he IS king of America and will lead “his” people accordingly. “King Trumps President in power” and all that, so he now just needs to cement his family line in the role.

I’d find it immensely funny if he now already declared one of his family members as a running mate for VP position 😅

Already can hear the lame excuse: “it is needed now because they are the only ones to be trusted to do their job, for the better of the country” (Ofcourse it’s convenient in the case ol’ Donald is incapacitated for some reason, the one next in line cements the legacy for the century to come…)

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