Do you really believe fucking Trump as president will be better for Palestine? At least Biden (unsuccessfully) tried to get a cease fire going. Trump would probably nuke Palestine himself.
I’m sorry I missed the part where Joe Biden who sent 24 Billion in weapons, actively supports israel with military intelligence, defends them against retaliation, supplies them with weapons by bypassing congress and using secret loopholes, is not complicit.
Can you tell me more about Donald Trump though. I never knew that Biden’s Fascism was excused by the existence of Trump.
You guys really care a lot about Palestine you’re all such experts on how Joe Biden is preventing the Genocide from happening there.
And you all care so fucking much about Palestine now that it’s a convenient cudgel to beat someone with. You don’t care now and you didn’t care then you just want to score your little debate points from mommies basement.
Fucking waste of space if you care so much go do something about it because no U.S. president is going to do anything.
All that’s needed is people not denying Biden is doing Fascism already. Just be honest.
Raising awareness for people that are in denial and sticking their head in the sand is what’s needed for Palestine.
Or do you think Palestinians are going to be really happy with Biden getting another term without having made any concessions and fully backed israel through the entire Genocide?
Abusing presidential powers to be complicit in Genocide by sending weapons using loopholes in the same way Trump did when we all called him a Fascist for it.
Surprising dissent on Genocide with violent policing.
Calling anyone that doesn’t agree with Genocide anti-semitic.
Censuring politicians that call Genocide Genocide.
Banning anti -Genocide speeches such as “from the river to the sea”
You all want to dance around Gaza so badly. But sadly you can’t “ignore that time Biden did Fascism, what other times did he do it?”
“a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”
So breaking it down:
“that exalts nation and often race above the individual” - Trump, not Biden.
“centralized autocratic government” - Trump, not Biden (or any Democrat, really, “centralized” isn’t their thing).
“severe economic and social regimentation” - I could see this one being argued “both sides”. The difference being Democrats want to use the regimentation to protect people and Republicans want to use it to oppress people.
“forcible suppression of opposition” - Definitely Trump, not Biden.
Biden: I’m going to give billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians
Trump: I’m going to give billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians and I’m going to egg them on while doing that and block other countries from helping
Biden: I’m giving billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians and am blocking other countries from helping
Trump: I’m going to give billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians and I’m going to egg them on while doing that and block other countries from helping
So many people keep arguing past each other on this because there are 2 truths and each side sees their 1 truth as the end-all.
Genocide is bad. Biden isn’t doing enough to stop Israel. But, Trump would accelerate it. And also do more genocide here too.
We have a FPTP voting system meaning the first candidate across the line wins, so you either vote for A or B. If you abstain from voting or vote 3rd party it does not make any difference whatsoever to the outcome because it is still who crosses the line first. So you have to decide which of the 2 you want, or which of the 2 you DON’T want. And vote accordingly.
Everyone declaring “Genocide Joe” and voting 3rd party is missing the point that doing that could let Trump win. And that would be FAR worse.
And everyone declaring “Blue no matter who” and demonizing the people that want the genocide to end are missing the point that our system is fucked and does not represent us and both candidates are bad. Both candidates are right wing and our country WANTS someone on the left that represents the people, but we simply don’t have that.
Trump wants Palestine eradicated and Israel to expand. He repealed the law against Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory.
“What I said very plainly is get it over with, and let’s get back to peace and stop killing people. And that’s a very simple statement. Get it over with. They’ve got to finish what they finish. They have to get it done. Get it over with, and get it over with fast, because we have to, you have to get back to normalcy and peace,” Trump told The Hugh Hewitt Show.
Trump noted, “They’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”
Trump continued arguing Israel had an issue with its public messaging and said, “Israel is absolutely losing the PR war.”
“And the other thing is I hate, they put out tapes all the time. Every night, they’re releasing tapes of a building falling down. They shouldn’t be releasing tapes like that. They’re doing, that’s why they’re losing the PR war. They, Israel is absolutely losing the PR war,” Trump said.
Let’s assume what you’re saying is true. Why has Biden’s administration ignored his own voters on the genocide taking place in Palestine? Why has his administration vetoed the UN council now 12 times since 2020 now relating to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Why did Biden’s administration pressure Robert Kur to revise his report in his classified documents investigation saying that Biden’s poor memory wasn’t supported by facts? Why did his administration push through with him as a candidate and not work to find a different candidate before now?
Instead I got Photoshopped images of Biden in sunglasses and a bunch of fake PR making it seem like Biden was as nimble as ever. You know what happened? I ended up becoming part of the Biden cult. After seeing his debate, what his administration is planning to do in 2024 is elder abuse. Biden needs to step aside immediately. I can’t believe people discussing anything else right now. You say democracy is on the line but his administration has made one terrible mistake after another. I’m sick of it. They want democracy then he can step down and put his support behind someone else. Otherwise I’m done with it. If his administration doesn’t act like democracy is on the line, then why should I?
If you do not vote, or vote for anyone other than whatever Democrat is on the ticket, Palestinian will be fully wiped out or forced to live in an open air prison the size of a postage stamp, Ukraine will be steam rolled over, Americans who are not straight, white and faux-Christian will be third tier citizens, and American democracy will be dead, forever. Go sell your bullshit to someone else. I have seen too much shit to fall for such a weak and obvious maneuver.
Yeah okay. Well 2016 happened where DNC did something similar which is why you ever got Trump. Now they’ve been up to the same tactics and you’ll get him again if Biden doesn’t step down. Go ahead and give yourself a big pat on the back and say… “I’m doing it. I’m helping Trump get reelected”
He should have made it clear that he would not seek a second term. Instead he pulled a RBG (she refused to retire when Obama asked her). We are now basically four months from election day and that ship has sailed. All we can do is vote D no matter what. Don’t confuse me doing what must be done with pride and “patting myself on the back”. His ego fucked us and now we have to deal with the mess…again. Thankfully, with the exception of their support for Israel’s genocidal campaign, his administration has been quite competent.
THE PROBLEM IS FUCKING PROPAGANDA RUNNING RAMPANT!!
we would LITERALLY not have to deal with Trump if Newsmax, OANN, Fox, and their like weren’t allowed to just lie and specifically aim to enrage the population. They hide behind the “opinion” designation of their show but act like it’s news, or they admit it’s opinion and claim it’s opinion entirely based on “facts.”
The reason Trump exists in the form that he does, with the support that he does is 110% at the feet of the fucking propaganda that gives him cover.
we would LITERALLY not have to deal with Trump if Newsmax, OANN, Fox, and their like weren’t allowed to just lie
Okay, but while we’re rounding them up for the gulags, can we sweep through and pick out all the fuckwits at NYT, WaPo, WSJ, and The Economist that were insisting Joe Biden was our Last Best Hope To Save Democracy and Actually Whip Smart And Totally Ready To Lead? Hell, even NPR gets in on this shit, and its supposed to be the nice polite republican media rather than the frothing bomb-everyone-that-criticizes-Israel news outlet.
The reason Trump exists in the form that he does, with the support that he does is 110% at the feet of the fucking propaganda that gives him cover.
Trump is the direct result of Republican rhetoric outrunning its own policy. For the last 40 years, we’ve been told that immigration is the root of every problem in the country - from bloated budgets to housing crises to drug use to violent crime to COVID. And as things keep getting worse, and immigration keeps getting blamed, the only conclusion Americans are allowed to make is that they’re not hard enough on migrants.
The celebrity candidacy of Trump was made possible by a news media fixated on the opulence of rich white guys, a conservative leadership that saw enormous profits in using migrant laborers to supplant labor unions, and an aging American public with a Pavlovian hatred of brown people. (And also, Hilary Clinton backing him in the GOP primary because she thought he’d be easy to beat).
But the real root of the problem is our national fixation on scapegoating. If Trump hadn’t won in 2016, it could just as easily have been Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio, both of whom are perfectly happy with our home grown brand of fascist tendency. They’re riding the same Hate Wave as Trump, he just did it better.
Yup. Decades of conservative propaganda calling Democrats the enemies for no specific reason. Republicans have been brainwashed 100%. No sane human being would ever fucking vote for trump.
trump might be the worst so far, but so has every single Republican president going back to Nixon.
When the Republican nominee is finally not trump, there is zero logical reason to expect that next person to not be even more crazy.
We can’t keep reacting to them and treating every election like it’s the last night at the Alamo.
If we want to stop fascism we need long term planning, planning for what we do if we win, plans for when shit goes wrong, plans for fucking every contingency. Plans for the next decades even after we think we finally beat fascism.
That’s supposed to be the entire point of the national party. Long term strategy past any one candidate.
Instead they only care about raising as much money as humanely possible in the moment.
Shit is too real to just blindly vote blue no matter who, we need to start asking why the people running the party are even around. And if they’re honestly more worried about making money that stopping fascism.
But any Republican president would have done 99% of the same shit trump did.
What would really be dangerous is someone that didn’t also run around admitting to all of their crimes, we barely are holding trump accountable and he’s completely blatant and unapologetic when breaking the rules.
You might be right, but what I meant is that no one can whip their followers into a mouth-frothing frenzy quite like he does. Come on, no one is storming the capital for Jeb.
Bannon and other shit heels organized it, trump let it happen and shares all the guilt.
But it didn’t happen because trump made it happen, it happened because he let it happen.
What’s fucked, is someone like Jeb likely wouldn’t have been in the position to even try it, because he wouldn’t have fucked up COVID so spectacularly and likely would have won a second term. 2016 would have led to “project 2025” without the need to wait for 2025. Shit would have probably already been done. Jeb would have even gotten more SC seats that second term.
But if he lost due to something like Russian interference coming out (they’d have supported any Republican) and if he thought he honestly might face consequences…
Jeb would have 100% let it happen too.
trump just accelerated things before they were ready, so they failed.
But conservatives have been planning this shit literally since Nixon. Say what you want about the figureheads that get elected, but the people running the show behind the scenes are fucking intelligent, have resources, and plan decades ahead of time.
They also donate to both parties these days to ensure even when they lose, they’re not really losing.
The surface game is just to distract us we won’t fix shit until at least one party’s leadership isn’t corrupt.
It doesn’t fucking matter who the Republican president is, the Republican president hasn’t been the one actually doing shit since before Reagan.
And I know I went on a rant, I’m just sick and tired of the people who deserve the real blame constantly getting away with shit because everyone goes for the fall guy. Fall guy is still guilty. But you don’t stop after getting the fall guy.
because he wouldn’t have fucked up COVID so spectacularly and likely would have won a second term.
I think that, frankly, COVID would have fucked up any president. I mean, we had some damning rhetoric and piss poor moves, but on the other hand there weren’t good moves really to be had. The best response would have still been an economic catastrophe that would not have recovered. We might have had fewer deaths, but we’d still have a lot of them. I think if it had been COVID-11 then even Obama would have lost his second term.
Here I think lies the main problem. When Biden was elected in 2020, in my understanding the goal was always for him to warm the seat for the next/younger generation. In those 4 years nobody stepped forward, and they are scared of proposing a forward looking vision because it may alienate some voters (either on the left or in the center). So now we have the choice between stagnation or actively tearing down Democracy.
Biden appointed DNC leadership, and if anyone challenged him or the status quo, then they’d ruin their career if they missed.
Obama made it, but if he had lost 08 and gotten the 2016 Bernie treatment it would have likely ended his career.
I’d also argue the concern of the party and it’s leadership isn’t alienating voters, it’s pissing off donors.
For decades the neoliberals running the party have cared about donors over everything else. It’s literally killing the party and preventing us from “winning” even when Dems win an election.
Because the donors that the DNC doesn’t want to piss off, are often the same wealthy assholes giving to Republicans.
People desperately want to act like the Clinton’s attending Trump’s wedding was a one off.
But most of the big Dem donors have more in common with trump than us, and there’s no way they’re giving all that money away to just have to pay more in taxes.
The wealthy bought out both parties long ago, and we can’t just keep ignoring it.
It’s not enough to just be slightly less shitty than republicans.
We can’t keep reacting to them and treating every election like it’s the last night at the Alamo.
Thank you! While I do agree, voting for Biden is a no brainer when it comes to the binary choice, as someone from another country, this shit is frustrating.
You guys have had the same tone since 2016. I get it but clearly there is a huge crack in the system that is just propagating more and more.
The rest of the world is worried, as in worried long term, not just for November.
It’s not even Republican presidents. Newt Gingrich destroyed the House. Mitch McConnell destroyed the Senate. And there’s a whole bench of people willing to continue their work.
The entirety of the Republican party, from their philosophy to their platform to their elected officials to the individual voters, is a poison. And they have a lot more power than Democrats thanks to their low population density.
I think Brandon should fuck off. But i am 100% voting for him and it should be plain as day that while he is declining, he is nonetheless leagues superior to a fascist traitor.
Of course trump is an existential threat. Brandon is just a basic problem.
Doesn’t take much attention to see his dogshit vice president, which extra sucks because democrats have decided that the vice president automatically gets to be picked as the presidential nominee for the next available election.
For a while I was like “ok they’re both old, but Biden has more than just yes men around him.”
After hearing about Bidens capacity being limited to 10am-4pm… Wtf? What happens at 8pm when some emergency happens? The president may have advisors, but he makes the final call.
Obviously I’m not voting for Trump, but that doesn’t change the fact that we’re kinda fucked no matter what
Brah… Commander in Chief is a huge responsibility. That man has access to the nuclear football. That is NOT a basic problem. The Dems as a whole can’t even geopolitic.
Dude isn’t nearly as fried as Reagan was, with full-blown Alzheimer’s in his 2nd term. I don’t think he should be Prez, but the scales of these two problems are vastly divergent.
I hear ya and I guess Im doing the same… But jesus fucking christ is it hard to imagine voting for that walking corpse after the debate. I’m wondering if it’s somehow in the playbook that Democrats secretly want to lose. If we’re not in a cult of personality it should be a no brainer to replace the candidate.
He’s doing really well in the job and at the debate his answers were good, if you only pay attention to the least important thing then yeah he was low energy.
It’s like picking race car drivers, one is a great driver but the other has a racing stripe…
Interesting headline - its disconnected from the content of the article. Most of it is about how broken the US electoral system is.
The important point is that an electoral and political system that was designed to protect from the “tyranny of the majority” has instead created a system perpetuating the tyranny of the minority.
Americans are indoctrinated to think theirs in the greatest country on earth from a very young age. But the political system is an absolute mess - the electoral college, the senate (which is totally skewed in favour of small states), the supreme court and politicised legal system, and the embedded 2 party system.
Trump isn’t a threat to democracy. Democracy in the US has been dead for a long while now. It vaguely worked when there was a post war consensus but now it’s completely log jammed. And nobody has a plan to fix it because they can’t.
What the ruling class wants you to believe is that they have the ability to subjugate everyone. The heart of power will always be with the people. Despite whatever military force or technology they think is under their control. They keep us glued to a screen and at odds with each other hoping we will never harness that power.
Breaking: Merrick Garland magically throws together a team and analyzes thousands of documents and gets search warrants for former presidents and analyzes all information, gets grand juries and indicts magically really quickly!
(… Later)
Breaking: Merrick Garland’s indictments thrown out on technicality because of rushing things; widespread animosity that this is a political witch-hunt thrown together.
Well according to my fox obsessed father all of that was “proven” to be false by 50someodd number of politicians/political appointees that has recently been brought to light…
I’m too depressed and angry to look into it because every time I do he’s wrong by some technicality thats too nuanced to explain to someone with their fingers in their ears “nahnahnahnah not listening, Hannity said fake news!”
Garland didn’t even start the process for two and a half years. He thought it would all just blow over and he wouldn’t have to prosecute Trump.
Never forget that Garland is a conservative. Always has been. Nominating him for SCOTUS was an olive branch that got smacked down by the GOP. Appointing him as AG was another olive branch that was lit on fire by the GOP. Democrats just can’t help themselves with all these fucking olive branches.
The right is coming to opress and exterminate the normal people. The Democrats are not fighters and cannot defend against it. We need people willing to meet force with force. Throughout history, there has never been a peaceful solution to an infestation of conservatives. Never.
First off, Garland was a Supreme Court Justice nominee By Obama and who the Republicans would block, right? I’m not remotely buying this olive-branch attempt to downplay this. I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t survive scrutiny from the left if he was a partisan hack for both being a SCOTUS nominee, as well as an AG under Biden. If Garland was that much of a conservative partisan hack, McConnell wouldn’t have blocked the appointment. So far I think he’s doing a fucking fantastic job and the only people I see complaining are people who are clearly not legal experts and think everything is so cut-and-dry and easy with a “if I was in there, it would’ve been done overnight!” mentality.
Second, I know exactly which WaPo article you’re discussing and it did not take 2.5 years for him to begin investigating. Nor does that article cover the OTHER investigations apart from January 6th, such as the classified documents case.
Forget the obvious fucking fact that goes completely unmentioned: Garland was busy building the case from the ground-up while handling — gee I don’t know — https://www.ussc.edu.au/by-the-numbers-jan-6-capitol-riot-the-biggest-criminalinvestigation-in-us-history. So naturally, it would make sense if you wanted to make sure you eliminated ANY hole for accusation of bias to first build your case from the ground-up, charge the actual insurrectionists first, then let smaller fish turn on bigger fish which can then be used as evidence for the mega case that is taking down a former President.
Edit: the silence of the anonymous down-votes without substantive rebuttal couldn’t be more deafening.
That’s kind of what Republicans are going for. The president prosecuted his enemies, with a rush job to make it look sort of good.
Personally I’m happier with going through all due process to prosecute this particular criminal, and that it is not in the hands of the sitting President
Personally I’m happier with going through all due process to prosecute this particular criminal
SBF went through due process in a matter of months and is currently cooling his heels in MDC Brooklyn. There’s no reason to believe Trump should be permitted to continue his crime spree under Biden for the last four years.
Imagine all you want, in reality he shouldn’t have final say regarding anyone’s prosecution… Its sort of a cornerstone of this supposed democracy experiment thingy that we’re doing.
he shouldn’t have final say regarding anyone’s prosecution
His entire purpose as head of the executive branch is to assign the nation’s chief prosecuting attorneys. If he’s not setting their prosecutorial agenda, he’s not doing is fucking job.
Because his successor had committed a slew of crimes and he wanted to run as a Law And Order replacement. He gets to pick the AG and all the downstream USAs, so he’s got enormous influence in which prosecutions take precedence. And because he wants to make sure the guy committing all the crimes isn’t in a good position to campaign for public office in the next Presidential cycle because… you know… of all the crimes.
This is such a stupid take that I keep hearing. It’s like saying, “Yes, the captain is steering us towards the iceberg, but the real problem is the iceberg.” Well, we can’t change the iceberg, but there’s still time to change the captain.
I think the Democrat party is a problem for pushing forward candidates that suck. There no way Trump wins in 2016 if he was going against somebody that was actually popular.
I am getting serious 2016 vibes this cycle. Biden should never have run a second time. And after that debate performance it feels like continuing with Biden is just as big of a mistake.
This isn’t even entirely an optics problem. Democrats in leadership believe they are best served when they are the centrist running against fascism rather than a progressive running against some boilerplate business conservative. So they actively encourage the freaks in the GOP while fighting tooth and nail to keep greens and socialists off their end of the ballot
Democrats are so afraid of being called “Far Left” that they end up being much further right than most Democrat’s want. Fact is, progressive democrats aren’t even “Far Left”. They need to quit playing onto they narrative cause it’s not true.
I get that, but part of the issue is optics. The Democratic party can easily promote the narrative that “progressive” ideals are not far left.
Hillary Clinton said in a debate that Medicare for all will never be implemented. She didn’t say that because she believed it, or even that she wanted it to be true. She said it because her opponent was running on that platform and gaining a massive following of mainstream voters as a result.
The party needs to quit reacting when Republicans say they are “far left” and instead fight to control the narrative. I guarantee the “old and conservative” democratic voters would follow suit if the party pushed for it.
“The Republicans are the problem.” (actually fair)
“The democrats are the problem.”
“The [insert dice roll here] are the problem.”
It’s more complicated than one or another. So taking into account that all parties are currently “the problem” with Republicans being absolutely 100% on top of the fuck off list of naughty naysayers, I argue that YOU are also the problem, my dear voter.
So look, Lemmy is a leftist, and to some degree, progressive vacuum consumed by a desire to see better days. We have our trickle-in bright red-orange tarts to displace some sentiment, though mostly we all want similar things. The problem though is that we are all just too fucking opinionated on precisely where and how to do “it”. Like fuck, guys, here’s our narrative:
"Biden Harris is a good bad mediocre handicapped stable president old man who had a cold raspy voice that still answered, didn’t answer, could have answered, more harder faster. His policies are good great bad awful, work, and we need to get him back into office, probably, maybe, someone else, not Trump.
You all collectively sounding like a certain riddle-giving Statue guarding a mad tyrants vault.
We fucking agree on so god. damned. much. But like fuck all if all of you aren’t so hung up on the petty details and discourse within your own neigh disillusionment that you can’t help but yell at one another over stupid bullshit.
Shut up and come together for fucking once. Because if there is one thing the right has that ANY group left of the bipartisan line doesn’t have, it’s the ability to hate each other and still act together when the stakes are the highest.
I agree with what you are saying I just don’t think it’s a problem to also say Democrats are the problem.
In a just world many GOP officials should have been thrown out of office for supporting Jan 6th and the fight to overturn the election and the supreme court should have been packed, and every day our democracy was slowly being destroyed, high up democrat officials stayed quiet instead of loudly proclaiming that the Republicans are destroying our country and democracy.
There are Democrats who don’t fit into this mold but the problem is that if you ask republicans, to a man they can immediately recite the reasons to vote for trump, wall, southern border, china … And they are dumb in falling for the lies but it’s because the Republicans have been so effective at messaging and that the Democrats have failed at messaging that we are in this situation.
AOC has said she would draft up articles of impeachment for the supreme court justices involved in the decision and though she isn’t a perfect politician, that’s the kind of fire we need from democrats.
Regardless of all of this, in 2024 I will be voting for biden. We can’t afford to give trump another chance at Kingship. Project 2025 might mean the end of US Democracy and so it is with great shame that we are all tied to the Democrats on a sinking boat.
America’s big problem is not Joe Biden, it’s the menace to democracy posed by Donald Trump
It’s neither, the problem is the illusion that we calldemocracy, and the compromises we (the people, not the rulers, of course) are told we have to make in order to maintain it (AKA the status quo) despite it being designed to keep us down (again, by providing an illusion of choice) rather than serve us.
As another person already said - trump is just a symptom, it is the system that enables and encourages his existence, and it is the system that needs to be abolished if the working class is to ever have a shot at justice, equity, and equality.
Articles like this are acts of systemic self defence - deflection to keep us looking at the illusion instead of the reality.
No, it’s Joe Biden. Republicans are total pieces of shit, but they wear their shit on their sleeve. People like Joe Biden Company or like snakes in the grass that hide among us claiming to be our ally. The Joe Biden we saw at the debates was the Joe Biden that the DNC has known about for years yet they still pushed him as their preferred candidate and refusing to primary him. Not allowing voters a right to choose who they would like to elect is not democratic
Donald Trump being a menace to democracy was in Bidens lap at the very start of his term, rallying an attempt to violently overthrow the election. And Biden, the new head of the executive branch, the branch of enforcing the law, just did nothing about it. And nothing about his many crimes beforehand, the documented collusion with Russians, blackmailing Ukraine to interfere in the election, the obstruction of justice, the assassination of Epstein. Trump wasnt held accountable and it was Bidens job to hold him to account. And now here we are.
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