Once they start allowing exceptions to separation of church and state it also tears down the door of free speech and allows people to be prosecuted for blasphemy or whatever nonsense actual witch hunting
What about my religion? We have core tenants to existence…
1: Thou shall not bitch about what thou finds out, after thou fucketh around.
2: Thy Lord and Savior hath empowered thou to skip school and throw rocks at parked luxury SUVs without consequence.
3: Any other religious commandment system preceding or proceeding this system are an affront to thy mental sovereign, and must be vandalized or destroyed before any other task can be done.
He wants it to go all the way to the supreme court so they can rule in his favor and further erode the separation of church and state. Fuck these assholes and this timeline…
Honestly, I can’t see how SCOTUS could rule in his favour. The US constitution clearly states that there is a seperation between church and state. For SCOTUS to rule in his favour would require them overturning the constitution itself.
I agree with this. I dont think this one was thought through. We shall see what the illegitimate court thinks. If they agree with him that should be our final line as a people.
‘The Establishment Clause acts as a double security, prohibiting both control of the government by religion and political control of religion by the government. By it, the federal government of the United States and, by later extension, the governments of all U.S. states and U.S. territories, are prohibited from establishing or sponsoring religion.’
Separation of Church and State is not codified into law
And
1A specifically says “Congress shall pass no law respecting any religion”. They’ll say this law was passed by a state, not congress. Ipso facto, they rule in his favor.
That whole “it only applies to Congress” angle is malarkey.
303 Creative v. Elenis: The 1st Amendment bars Colorado from forcing businesses to provide service that goes against their religious beliefs.
Shurtleff v. City of Boston: The City of Boston could not reject flying a Christian flag when it had open many other groups to fly different flags for various occasions.
Kennedy v. Bremerton School District: A school board wrongfully terminated a coach for praying on the field.
These are all recent cases too. Of course, that doesn’t mean they won’t find some different bullshit reason to say this is fine.
The actual text concerning religion says that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…”. It’s arguable that requiring publicly funding schools to display a specific religions moral code is establishing their religious views as a standard others must follow.
The second part of that (prohibiting the free exercise thereof) is not affected. They are free to do whatever they want in their private homes and institutions. They just are not free to force those practices on others or other’s children. You don’t have the freedom to “exercise” if exercise means forcing your will on others. And anyone that thinks that should be the case is specifically calling to remove that constitutional freedom from our society.
Re: 1, the concept of church/state separation is espoused by the First Amendment, if not explicitly stated as such. But as has been made clear, Roberts’ SCOTUS has yet to miss a case dismantling that wall.
Re: 2, SCOTUS has held that amendments only apply to Congress unless they have been incorporated via the 14th out to the states. The First Amendment’s restriction on state-endorsed religion was incorporated in a case from 1947 called Everson vs. Board of Education which means that if Congress can’t create an official government religion, state legislatures can’t either. Of course, what one SCOTUS decides another can overturn, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility for Roberts’ activist Court to remove the concept of incorporation altogether.
The Constitution is just an interpretation of the teachings of the Founding Fathers. SCOTUS is the only body that has a direct line of communication to the Founding Fathers. We can rely on them to convey to the masses what the Founding Fathers truly intended.
(I think this is sarcasm, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they used this logic)
The Constitution also clearly states that anyone who breaks their oath of office to commit treason against the country shall not hold political office unless cleared by 2/3rds majority in Congress. It’s time to admit that the rules are all made up and the Constitution doesn’t matter.
For SCOTUS to rule in his favour would require them overturning the constitution itself.
Nah, all they’d have to do is make up a bullshit interpretation that fits the political opinions of them and their billionaire friends. That’s basically what the majority of them are there for to begin with.
The SCOTUS is thoroughly corrupt. We have three sitting justices who have been exposed as accepting bribes from parties with matters before the court, and we have two that are known to have committed perjury during their confirmation hearings.
There is zero accountability or recourse. We no longer live in a country with a rule of law.
The SCOTUS ruling on college loan forgiveness they simply said “we know the law explicitly says that you can do this but we don’t like it so, no and we’re not actually justifying this decision with any kind of criteria”
The Constitution specifically states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” which is probably going to mean SCOTUS will rule that it’s okay because it’s a STATE Congress and not the federal Congress specifically called out in the Constitution making a law respecting the establishment of a religion. This seems like a solid letter of the law but not the spirit sort of reading that christofacists want.
Exactly right… what should happen is that the Satanic Church, any Islam denomination, the Spaghetti Monster, etc should all start putting up their own billboards everywhere…
While SCOTUS is compromised, there is no point in playing their game
Just a heads up The Satanic Temple are the righteous group that litigates all these radical zealots. They don’t believe in a literal Satan unlike the Church of Satan.
Church of Satan is also atheistic, although some may believe in magic and other energy work. Either way, neither group literally worships Satan. You might be thinking of the Order of Nine Angles.
There’s no mention of a lawyer or any support, the guys just completely dropped himself in it. Perhaps a very low IQ or some sort of mental health problems that prison is really not going to help.
It’s kind of a shame, dude is clearly mentally ill but there’s no mention in the article of any attempts to treat it. Just straight to jail. If anything it’s just going to worsen in prison and probably end up murdering someone and/or getting murdered.
Is a low IQ correlated to a person’s propensity to commit violent acts? As a person with low IQ, I don’t feel like prison is either less of a deterent from committing crimes, or less likely to be a reforming experience, but I’ve never been to prison and recognize that my impressions would only be an anecdote and not something to draw conclusion from.
I honestly do not know how IQ and the ability to judge the future outcomes of ones actions tie together.
I do know that confessing to crimes, and then saying that he’ll try to commit those same offences upon release is not a very sensible idea if he values his freedom from prison. On the otherhand perhaps the guy thinks his being a martyr for the cause and his openness will encourage others, time will tell.
However, the took a strange turn when Xiong began railing about the state of politics in the nation’s capital, rattling off right-wing conspiracy theories, and telling the deputy that “getting a hotel would not be necessary” for his trip.
“Xiong began to attempt to control the conversation and began talking about his disapproval for government due to the sex abuse of children, some of which that has occurred by President Biden,” investigators wrote.
MAGA trump supporters who are PoC or a minority always makes me confused. They really aren’t realizing these rallies, they’re the butt of the joke, being uncle ruckus.
As easy as it would be to dismiss a lot of people like this as having mental illnesses, he just sounds like you’re typical conspiracy believing, far right, Trump supporter. The mental illness may have come into play when he actually decided to act on it, but make no mistake, many, many others are believing and repeating the same rhetoric and just not demented enough to act (yet), and they don’t deserve the easy out of “mental illness.”
He said he’s the only person left who can save the country… he talked about analyzing the White House grounds and imagined up a “weak point” in the security… this is not a typical thought pattern
He don’t sound sane, but from what little US politic I catch in news it’s pretty common far up into your law and political system. Maybe all the way to the top.
I believe your doing yourself a disfavour by assuming he’s criminally insane
It does sound crazy, but some of their echo chambers have spent YEARS repeating two conflicting messages 1) we need to use violence to “fix” the country and 2) anyone who actually tries to organize any activity is an FBI member trying to arrest people. It’s true that a sane person still wouldn’t try to go kill politicians by themselves, but it’s no surprise to me that some of those members eventually do come to the “I am the only person who can fix this” conclusion.
I think what we’re getting at is there is a very fine line right now between a far right conspiracy theorist that’s in too deep (think QAnon) and full blown psychosis. The minor difference being one is caused by indoctrination while the other is actual mental illness.
And while this case may be due to mental illness, I was simply saying that we shouldn’t allow the other cases the easy out excuse of a mental illness as they need to be held accountable. Obviously this man will be held accountable but a mental illness lessens that by some degree.
I look at it the other way: right-wing conspiracy theories pander to textbook mental illness. They’re more susceptible to such bullshit and thus it’s like a magnet that attracts these deranged individuals.
One way or another I am personally convinced a large chunk of dyed-in-the-wool Trump supporters are not of mentally sound mind.
Drugs, head injuries, lead exposure, etc. You look at the average attendee of a Trump rally and they do not look physically healthy from the outset.
To be fair, he probably would benefit more from psychiatric care. He was saying some pretty wild stuff. Being the only person left who can save us all or something like that?
One of the funniest Twitter moments was when the FBI arrested Roger Stone and [American football player] Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson teeeted, “FBI arrested my neighbor Roger before my morning jog, I’ve only seen shit like that in movies, crazy to start to my Friday.”
I think more people learned about it from people sharing that Tweet than from any news organization.
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