He wants it to go all the way to the supreme court so they can rule in his favor and further erode the separation of church and state. Fuck these assholes and this timeline…
Honestly, I can’t see how SCOTUS could rule in his favour. The US constitution clearly states that there is a seperation between church and state. For SCOTUS to rule in his favour would require them overturning the constitution itself.
I agree with this. I dont think this one was thought through. We shall see what the illegitimate court thinks. If they agree with him that should be our final line as a people.
‘The Establishment Clause acts as a double security, prohibiting both control of the government by religion and political control of religion by the government. By it, the federal government of the United States and, by later extension, the governments of all U.S. states and U.S. territories, are prohibited from establishing or sponsoring religion.’
Separation of Church and State is not codified into law
And
1A specifically says “Congress shall pass no law respecting any religion”. They’ll say this law was passed by a state, not congress. Ipso facto, they rule in his favor.
That whole “it only applies to Congress” angle is malarkey.
303 Creative v. Elenis: The 1st Amendment bars Colorado from forcing businesses to provide service that goes against their religious beliefs.
Shurtleff v. City of Boston: The City of Boston could not reject flying a Christian flag when it had open many other groups to fly different flags for various occasions.
Kennedy v. Bremerton School District: A school board wrongfully terminated a coach for praying on the field.
These are all recent cases too. Of course, that doesn’t mean they won’t find some different bullshit reason to say this is fine.
The actual text concerning religion says that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…”. It’s arguable that requiring publicly funding schools to display a specific religions moral code is establishing their religious views as a standard others must follow.
The second part of that (prohibiting the free exercise thereof) is not affected. They are free to do whatever they want in their private homes and institutions. They just are not free to force those practices on others or other’s children. You don’t have the freedom to “exercise” if exercise means forcing your will on others. And anyone that thinks that should be the case is specifically calling to remove that constitutional freedom from our society.
Re: 1, the concept of church/state separation is espoused by the First Amendment, if not explicitly stated as such. But as has been made clear, Roberts’ SCOTUS has yet to miss a case dismantling that wall.
Re: 2, SCOTUS has held that amendments only apply to Congress unless they have been incorporated via the 14th out to the states. The First Amendment’s restriction on state-endorsed religion was incorporated in a case from 1947 called Everson vs. Board of Education which means that if Congress can’t create an official government religion, state legislatures can’t either. Of course, what one SCOTUS decides another can overturn, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility for Roberts’ activist Court to remove the concept of incorporation altogether.
The Constitution is just an interpretation of the teachings of the Founding Fathers. SCOTUS is the only body that has a direct line of communication to the Founding Fathers. We can rely on them to convey to the masses what the Founding Fathers truly intended.
(I think this is sarcasm, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they used this logic)
The Constitution also clearly states that anyone who breaks their oath of office to commit treason against the country shall not hold political office unless cleared by 2/3rds majority in Congress. It’s time to admit that the rules are all made up and the Constitution doesn’t matter.
For SCOTUS to rule in his favour would require them overturning the constitution itself.
Nah, all they’d have to do is make up a bullshit interpretation that fits the political opinions of them and their billionaire friends. That’s basically what the majority of them are there for to begin with.
The SCOTUS is thoroughly corrupt. We have three sitting justices who have been exposed as accepting bribes from parties with matters before the court, and we have two that are known to have committed perjury during their confirmation hearings.
There is zero accountability or recourse. We no longer live in a country with a rule of law.
The SCOTUS ruling on college loan forgiveness they simply said “we know the law explicitly says that you can do this but we don’t like it so, no and we’re not actually justifying this decision with any kind of criteria”
The Constitution specifically states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” which is probably going to mean SCOTUS will rule that it’s okay because it’s a STATE Congress and not the federal Congress specifically called out in the Constitution making a law respecting the establishment of a religion. This seems like a solid letter of the law but not the spirit sort of reading that christofacists want.
Exactly right… what should happen is that the Satanic Church, any Islam denomination, the Spaghetti Monster, etc should all start putting up their own billboards everywhere…
While SCOTUS is compromised, there is no point in playing their game
Just a heads up The Satanic Temple are the righteous group that litigates all these radical zealots. They don’t believe in a literal Satan unlike the Church of Satan.
Church of Satan is also atheistic, although some may believe in magic and other energy work. Either way, neither group literally worships Satan. You might be thinking of the Order of Nine Angles.
Stolen again? I’m so tired of this shit. They’re gonna do it again no matter the results. How is the FBI not all over these people? Its the same coup rheotirc.
Yep, it’s infuriating, but the FBI has a bunch of Trump loyalists, so it makes sense why they’ve had their thumbs up their asses regarding these chucklefucks.
Just to be clear, shitfuck Stone isn’t admitting to stealing an election or trying to steal an election, he’s implying that President Biden stole the election.
He goes on to say “We’re working on it: lawyers, judges, technology,”, so he’s definitely admitting to trying to steal this upcoming election.
So yes, same coup rhetoric, and I would like nothing more to see his front door ravaged by a battering ram during an early morning no-knock warrant raid, but you are taking that one specific quote regarding an election being stolen again slightly out of context. Everything else you said is totally valid based on everything else Stone said on camera though.
It was later discovered that Kavanaugh turned the document into a beer bong after claiming to have “totally read that shit” and filling it with 3 Miller Lites, at a local frat party
Works out well for anyone looking to fully transition but can’t afford that phase of surgery. Louisiana wondering why all these out of state people hanging around their schools suddenly.
Look, he’s no fascist. He’s just a strong leader who’s always right, doesn’t accept ‘no’ for an answer, makes his own rules, demands absolute loyalty and calls himself not only a patriot, but a nationalist who happens to be white…
Sure he jokes about being a dictator, but only because he’s able to see the good in so many of them. Also it would only be on first day in office, since he loves democracy, stable democracy, like in the People’s Republic of China or Russia, where a strong leader can be elected more than just twice.
Boy o boy, people not understanding this will give future historians quite a head scratcher.
A group of retired Generals/Admirals are the ones who convinced Congress to repeal DADT back in 2011 so our LGBTQ+ brethren could openly serve.
I understand that the entire Government has changed since then, and it’s an entirely different branch of the Government that they’re petitioning, but fuck, this gives me hope.
These people do still have some sort of influence, and they’re attempting to use it for good. That makes me happy.
This is true, to an extent. They can be much more vocal (publicly) than anyone currently serving, without fear of reprisal/loss of benefits.
However, these retired O’s definitely have enough money that should they want to abandon ship and move their family elsewhere, they absolutely could. They don’t have to get involved anymore, so I like that they’re taking the time to do so. It shows that they still gaf.
Or, lol, what’s really happening here, is that we’re all going “Oh yay, they’re using their influence for something good. That’s one more tool to fight the MAGAts with.”
But I forgot, this is the internet and we should just be straight up pessimistic and ask “Why are they even bothering? Don’t they know it’s useless?!?!Silly Generals, Democracy is dead.”
No. The other liberal nations betrayed the Spanish Republic and Stalin wasn’t interested in supplying the Republican coalition for free (or without purging dissenters to Soviet hegemony) like Hitler and Mussolini were supplying the fascists.
Personally, I just also don’t tend to criticize people for fighting the war against fascism just because they lost a battle.
Ah, yes, simply convince all Americans to be okay with the assassination of Trump without responding with violence themselves, so easy, so simple, definitely won’t create the war you’re on your high horse about avoiding lol
Not that I disagree that Trump deserves a death sentence for crimes against democracy and the American people. I just think the war is unavoidable, regardless of who holds the reigns of the Republican Party. But, hey, maybe not.
I really can’t fucking believe he’s going to get away with everything. Their plan of running the clock is working and I have absolutely no doubt Trump will win the election allowing his AG dog to dutifully wipe everything away. Hell, seeing how this timeline is going I could even imagine his new AG opening an investigation into Biden that gets fast tracked somehow… We’ve all collectively somehow become even fucking dumber over the last 4 years that I could even be so sure Trump will win…
It just blows my mind how someone so unbelievably stupid, someone so obviously corrupt in his personality, someone so abhorrent, could skate his way through the justice system. “Teflon Don” suits him. The only “positive” here are the civil suits that hit him where he cares most, his bank account.
I get what you are saying but keep in mind that he has been losing his ability to stay composed for awhile now and it seems to be gaining speed. He is sundowning as we watch. I doubt he will be mentally capable of campaigning in a few months. He literally just told the world that Biden took a shit in the oval office, just when you think he can’t get more unhinged, he proves you wrong.
I’m not sure where to find it now but some clinical psychologists or psychiatrists (iirc) gave a pretty decent breakdown of how trump is breaking down mentally.
Let’s not go there. I don’t want to see news stories of maggats shitting on cars because they had Biden or Bernie stickers or any others supporting sane and intelligent things.
I actually think the comment could be interpreted as Trump shit on the desk before leaving either to spite Biden (instead of leaving the traditional letter), or his declining mind allowed him to let slip an accident he himself had personally, and that “‘disgusting Biden’ is still using it, what a weirdo, I wouldn’t use it after I soiled it”.
Hillary Clinton was right when she said half his supporters were a basket of deplorables. Those that got upset about that put themselves into that group.
They love him because of the unhinged shit he says. He takes the hate that the two minutes hate Fox News cultivates and brings it to the White House and that’s exactly what they want.
This is 100% copium. The only thing that matters is actually convicting him and carrying out the criminal sentence. Until then, all this speculative BS is nothing but a distraction to provide cover for how badly all the leaders who aren’t already outright traitors are fucking this up.
This should be a joke but with the gullibility of his most devoted followers and how far computer generated images and video have come, this is a real possibility.
It’s the cult plus some normies voting against Biden. Don’t underestimate how little they give a shit. We thought it ended with grab em by the sexual assault parts.
On the other hand, let this be motivation to make him lose in November. All his legal maneuvers will be moot at that point, and he’ll have some very angry judges to answer to.
If Trump loses, the delays mean nothing. He will never enjoy a free day of peace ever again.
However, the took a strange turn when Xiong began railing about the state of politics in the nation’s capital, rattling off right-wing conspiracy theories, and telling the deputy that “getting a hotel would not be necessary” for his trip.
“Xiong began to attempt to control the conversation and began talking about his disapproval for government due to the sex abuse of children, some of which that has occurred by President Biden,” investigators wrote.
MAGA trump supporters who are PoC or a minority always makes me confused. They really aren’t realizing these rallies, they’re the butt of the joke, being uncle ruckus.
As easy as it would be to dismiss a lot of people like this as having mental illnesses, he just sounds like you’re typical conspiracy believing, far right, Trump supporter. The mental illness may have come into play when he actually decided to act on it, but make no mistake, many, many others are believing and repeating the same rhetoric and just not demented enough to act (yet), and they don’t deserve the easy out of “mental illness.”
He said he’s the only person left who can save the country… he talked about analyzing the White House grounds and imagined up a “weak point” in the security… this is not a typical thought pattern
He don’t sound sane, but from what little US politic I catch in news it’s pretty common far up into your law and political system. Maybe all the way to the top.
I believe your doing yourself a disfavour by assuming he’s criminally insane
It does sound crazy, but some of their echo chambers have spent YEARS repeating two conflicting messages 1) we need to use violence to “fix” the country and 2) anyone who actually tries to organize any activity is an FBI member trying to arrest people. It’s true that a sane person still wouldn’t try to go kill politicians by themselves, but it’s no surprise to me that some of those members eventually do come to the “I am the only person who can fix this” conclusion.
I think what we’re getting at is there is a very fine line right now between a far right conspiracy theorist that’s in too deep (think QAnon) and full blown psychosis. The minor difference being one is caused by indoctrination while the other is actual mental illness.
And while this case may be due to mental illness, I was simply saying that we shouldn’t allow the other cases the easy out excuse of a mental illness as they need to be held accountable. Obviously this man will be held accountable but a mental illness lessens that by some degree.
I look at it the other way: right-wing conspiracy theories pander to textbook mental illness. They’re more susceptible to such bullshit and thus it’s like a magnet that attracts these deranged individuals.
One way or another I am personally convinced a large chunk of dyed-in-the-wool Trump supporters are not of mentally sound mind.
Drugs, head injuries, lead exposure, etc. You look at the average attendee of a Trump rally and they do not look physically healthy from the outset.
How the fuck is this even before the Supreme Court? It shouldn’t have even been a question and it should’ve just been laughed out of Court when it was proposed. I can see SCOTUS ruling to give it to him, under the idea that Biden would be too principled to actually make use of that new power (instead of say ordering the assassination of Russian agents from a certain political party, like he should).
The second they rule in Trump’s favor I’m all for forcefully removing the SC and implementing massive ethics reform and judicial review. And no law shall stop it, because the President is above all reproach, including, apparently, a literal insurrection.
Yeah, we’re past the point where this can be settled peaceful for certain anyways.
If Trump wins we’re in for a revenge tour, and if he loses there will be some form of major conflict. We have roughly 8 months to rip the band-aid off.
And before anyone tells me there won’t be a major conflict if he loses, let me remind you. He was trying to be discreet when he called his supporters up for the insurrection. All he wanted at the time was for them to delay the proceedings regarding the inauguration. The man is out of time regarding all the cases that have been building up against him, he doesn’t have it in him to keep this up. If/when he does not get the presidency he won’t be discreet, he will likely call for all out war.
The Supreme Court chose to rule on this after the courts in Colorado already ruled that the president was not an exception to the insurrection clause. They didn’t have to, they wanted to.
The first being if some states are going to try to use this against any kids charged with being child sex offenders, like several states have done with teenagers who have sex with each other (or have nude pictures of each other).
An additional concern is obviously conservatives trying to use this against trans people and drag queens, whom they are already trying to define as sex offenders just for existing in public.
Another concern or just question is...is this meant to be a deterrent? And is it even effective in that? For a lot of child sex offenders, a major component of the pleasure derived is from having power over the child in question. Removing their genitals wouldn't necessarily change that? It's possible it may even have them turn more to violence toward children as their outlet.
I'm just wondering on the effectiveness of this method. Is there any evidence at all or is this being done on an emotional whim?
This is the most legally sound argument against it.
Sure it’s bad to diddle kids, but it’s even worse to not have diddled kids, be accused and falsely convicted, have you genitals removed, and then on appeals the court is like “yeah sry bro they fucked that up, just reverse it”.
Although a lot of people think the death penalty is bad for financial or logistical reasons, but in my opinion the biggest reason against it is that there’s no quick way to revive a person when a court later on says they got it wrong.
It’s quite ominous that retired senior military officers need to say this. It suggests that if Trump is reelected, we could see widespread mutiny, because officers would refuse to accept orders for which they might be criminally liable. Even if SCOTUS makes Trump immune, it does not necessarily make anyone following his orders immune. Choosing between a committing a crime like murder, and another like insubordination, an officer might well choose insubordination.
They already did that last time. Trump tried to deploy the military to stop the BLM protests. The Joint Chiefs said no and sent out a memo reminding the entire force they swear oaths to the Constitution, not to Trump.
the problem with telling scotus that this is an assault on democracy is that scotus is openly complicit in the assault on democracy. you can’t shame the shameless.
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