Democracy is fake and this “representative” Republic represents nothing but the capitalists. I recommend voting for Chase Oliver, he may be a right winger but at least he’s willing to call out the Israeli genocide and occupation of Gaza.
It’s an illusion of choice, the only true choice is a protest vote against corruption. But I’m sure voting for Diet Fascism™ will work great in the long run.
The problem is getting enough people actually on board. You run the risk of introducing a spoiler. Unfortunately, this change needs to happen bottom up
Probably you, encouraging third party votes refusing to acknowledge it’s essentially a throwaway in a presidential election, or your commentary in this thread.
However, the ones like this that just come out and repeat, ad-nauseam, the don’t vote for Genocide Joe because you’re complicit in Israel’s Genocide or something.
First two pages of a search for “Genocide Joe”, I skipped the hexbear ones because they’re a caricature of themselves and they can’t help it, I also skipped the verbose ones because TL;DR, nobody wants to read it.
Sounds like you don’t know the definition of tankie, so here you go:
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies.
Your definition is wrong and even when corrected you insist on staying ignorant. How do you expect anyone to take you serious when you are so stupid? Oh, nevermind. I see the .world now. 🤣
Every four years the new voters learn how fucked up their country is, and how ignorant their countrymen are, and the smart ones learn they’re never going to get to vote for someone who isn’t going to continue America’s decades-long horrific foreign policy.
Unless you mean “because they emigrate”, then they’re not that smart. By not voting, they acquiesce to whatever becomes policy. They silence their own voice. Pretty damn stupid imo
Even if you vote you acquiesce to what’s in charge. It’s not like me voting for Biden will stop me being subject to Trump’s whims if he wins. It’s not like Scott Perry isn’t my fucking “representative.” That’s how government works: Whoever wins makes the rules regardless of how anyone voted, even if they didn’t.
Politics means being annoyed, angry, and depressed about things you can’t change in any meaningful way every year until you die. Or every four years if you’re lucky enough to be able to ignore it.
We could vote for someone else. We just have to do three very important things:
Stop bickering amongst ourselves.
Come together under a single unified stratagem even if we don’t all agree 100% on it. This can be substituted for coming under a unified banner.
Continue pushing after the election has ended instead of the usual “Oop, election done. All good.” and then panic four years later.
ALL OF THESE, each individual step, are massive steps to expect and to take. Yet they are what would fix things. The biggest hurdle, in my opinion, is finding leaders people can rally behind. Because make no mistake: Anyone leading this would be in significant danger, and I think most people know that.
Sure is: Bottom-up reform and mass peaceful civil unrest in the form of large marches and demonstrations, to use a few magic button words. These do work. However, and I’m with our country’s leadership on this thought process: They don’t expect us to be able to pull it off.
The reason you don’t see working people truly represented in politics is because whole system was set up by rich people a long time ago and there was a good reason for that - they had the money and time to devote to it. The same is true today. Most working folks simply do not have the time and resources, or will, to find and support the people they want to see in power. Additionally, the modern oligarchs keep most occupied with entertainment and worrying about “the other” folks. As the rich consolidate wealth it becomes even more true. Now we can add espionage into the equation. Russia, China and Iran benefit by pouring money into destabilization tactics through psyops programs designed to destabilize the US. This is accomplished through massive social disinformation, like we often see here and on Fox.
It is, and they are. They’ve also never gotten a single Electoral College vote in the history of our nation. They have, however, helped several Republicans get elected over the years.
Instead of trying to blame alternatives for losing the election they could try to win over voters. But they don’t seem very interested in that. Israel is a lot more appealing. And hey, even if the Democrats lose they’ll have made israel very happy so they can be sure to get more AIPAC “donations” next elections.
This election isn’t about picking favorites. We are all fully aware that Trump will cause massive devastation to our nation as well as allow Putin, Xi, and Netanyahu to take what they want without resistance. Abstaining or voting third-party is refusing to stand in Trump’s way.
We agree that Biden isn’t great for Palestine, but he is absolutely better than Trump.
Trump noted, “They’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”
“And the other thing is I hate, they put out tapes all the time. Every night, they’re releasing tapes of a building falling down. They shouldn’t be releasing tapes like that. They’re doing, that’s why they’re losing the PR war. They, Israel is absolutely losing the PR war,” Trump said.
What I said very plainly is get it over with, and let’s get back to peace and stop killing people. And that’s a very simple statement. Get it over with. They’ve got to finish what they finish. They have to get it done. Get it over with, and get it over with fast, because we have to, you have to get back to normalcy and peace,” Trump told The Hugh Hewitt Show.
It’s really sad Democrats have to resort to out of context quoting like Republicans these days. But when a party runs on lies and populism it’s what you gotta do I guess.
I read that along with “finishing what they started” and “without recording everything” to mean, “eradicate Palestine without documentation so you aren’t held accountable, and restore peace to Israel.”
They rarely work in Democrat’s favor. Jill Stein alone has siphoned off Democratic votes in the last five elections. Maybe that’s why Putin keeps publicizing her.
And? That just confirms what I’m saying, she hasn’t been a candidate “for the last five elections”, in fact, take “five” out of it, she wasn’t even a candidate in the LAST election.
Dr Jill Stein got arrested protesting for Palestine. She’s most likely getting my vote unless RFK’s poll numbers continue surging and it seems like he could actually win.
There’s no way I’m letting this country make me believe my only choice is between two racist octogenarians. That is not democracy.
Jill Stein is great. Turns out she’s Putin’s puppet, siphoning votes from the left.
She’s also failed to get a single Electoral College vote out of the 270 needed to win, in her five Presidential Election career. You honestly believe that she’ll somehow get half the nation this time around?
Wow. I legitimately didn’t know about that until you commented. Turns out you’re on the money. It makes sense. There’s no reason to keep running after failing so many times, other than to siphon off votes from the left.
That kind of thinking is exactly what’s led us to picking “the lesser of two evils”. Also the RepubDems have put up the weakest candidates in modern history. If there was ever a time for a third party candidate to win the election it’d be this cycle. Have we ever seen a third party candidate this close to the election getting almost 20 percent in multiple states like RFK is?
I voted Green Party in the 2000 election. I’m trying to prevent others from making the mistake many of us made that year that directly resulted in Bush getting elected. That election led to the wildly disproportionate response to 9/11, resulting in almost one million deaths. I protested that travesty, and I’m a New Yorker.
The reason Democrats keep putting up moderates is because they keep losing. The mentality of “showing them a lesson” by abstaining is exactly what makes them move right to capture more of the active voters. If Democrats maintained control for an extended period, the primary would become the new election, and they’d be forced to move left to capture more of the active voters.
I’m torn, in one respect that outcome kept me out of the military because I could see right through their bullshit… Wtf does Iraq have to do with 9/11?
But on the other hand, that decision kept me out of the military and I was planning on joining the Air Force after highschool in 2004… Now I’m just a completely worthless factory schmuck.
If you’re a New Yorker, then your 3rd party vote in 2000 did not result in, or contribute to, Bush “winning”. All NY electoral votes went to Gore. Personally I think that if you live in a solid blue state, then you have the luxury of being able to vote your conscience.
My vote personally? No. My advocacy? Possibly. The Floridian votes for Nader directly resulted in Bush’s win.
Since you understand how the Electoral College works, please tell me why you see any point in voting third-party when you know they’ve never earned a single Electoral vote, let alone the 270 needed to win an election?
I’m not trying to be argumentative here lol. I don’t fundamentally disagree with you, and I think that some people, especially in the most recent few elections, have decided that the only options they find acceptable are to vote 3rd party or simply not vote at all. I hope we agree that a 3rd party presidential vote, in a solid blue state, ideally with blue down-ballot votes, is better than nothing. I’m just pointing out that some people can weigh that decision a lot less heavily than others.
You’re right. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans are not as well educated on the structure of our government, let alone how the Electoral College works. The frequency in which I see people blame POTUS for congressional failure is terribly disheartening. Those same people have likely never voted in a mid-term election. The average person doesn’t know the difference, and my comments are meant to address the average person. A wall of text explaining where some can, and others cannot, vote third-party without actively helping Trump is only going to be ignored by those who won’t take it upon themselves to learn how the government is designed in the first place.
Frankly I see a LOT more of that misunderstanding from people who think shaming others into voting blue is an effective strategy than I do from people who express that they want to vote third party.
I understand. I’m not judging individuals who take it upon themselves to be educated on our system and know that their vote will not enable Trump’s success. I’m critical of people advocating that others vote third party without the same thorough education. It’s exactly that ignorance that ends up enabling a Republican win, and I’m sure you know what’s at stake in this election.
If this horror continues until January, Gaza is already gone. I don’t even know what the fuck they would do if it stops today. He had the chance to be better and he fucked it up. I actually believed he would be better than this.
Obligatory yes you should still vote for Biden because Trump is obviously worse and undoubtedly the West Bank would be next. Not to mention project 2025. But “horrific” policy is not the best selling point, even when pitted against “even worse” policy. American politics is truly broken.
Oh no! The fascists and capitalists that run society have given us the two worst choices to vote for! You better pick one of them to keep the system happy, and don’t consider voting for a third party…OR ELSE!
And what is the truth exactly? That you won’t cop to the fact that while you claim to care about genocide, you are entirely unwilling to stop it from getting exponentially worse?
Incredibly naive of you to assume I’m straight. The hollow platitudes coming from Democrats don’t protect trans either. And quit using marginalized people as human shields to defend shitty politics while insisting they vote for the people keeping them marginalized.
Trans here. You’re lying to me when you say I have nothing to lose from a Trump presidency, and you’re either lying to yourself or lying about being queer.
What protections have Democrats extended for you? They talk about using the bathroom of choice but don’t do shit that you have to live on the streets to do it, or have access to physical or mental health care that you may need, and basic cost of living is out of control. While Republicans have passed over 300 bills against the lgbtq+ community, Democrats have done shit at the federal level to counteract those laws. As someone that came out during Ronald Reagan’s presidency, I’ve seen Democrats do nothing but shit on us while claiming to be an ally.
…. Said the genius that thinks NOT doing something will bring change.
Listen up,
Someone is going to get elected whether you like it or not. By now you should probably know what Trump will do to the LGBTQ+, to women, to anyone that stands against the Christian ideology. Which pretty much includes everyone you know I would imagine.
So go ahead and admit right now that you either don’t give a fuck at all about anyone that will be hurt if drum wins,
Actually believing in change for the better must include acting on that belief. I can’t say I want something better and then vote for genocidal garbage that we have now. So which of has is here in bad faith?
You’re getting genocidal garbage but doing nothing. And by now, it’s safe to say you know that. So aside from plainly admitting that you’re here to get Trump elected, how exactly are you going to reconcile knowing that
• Trump will be FAR worse to Palestine.
(Knowing this and still not voting to stop him from taking over America essentially is admitting you don’t give a shit about Palestine)
You haven’t seen a history book before, have you??
Genocide has been accepted since before even the old testament when God himself decided to do it a few times. There is even specific passages about killing civilians including babies.
So stupid. We have to change the voting system before a “third party” will make any difference. It will take years of lobbying, marching, fighting. Your lazy little protest vote will accomplish nothing. The two parties control the electoral college. No third party has a chance till the system changes. Plus, no current third party is REMOTELY close to being a contender. Last time it even had a chance was Bernie if he ran independent in 2016 after the DNC screwed him and he chose not to. Just voting third party when no third party is showing any sign of winning, in an election like this, is so irresponsible. It proves you have no understanding of government. It’s acting like a child taking their ball and going home.
I was around during Ross Perot’s independent run. If he didn’t win, no third party had a chance. Ross was extremely popular his first run and when he ran his little whiteboard presentations, a huge number of people watched because that was the most entertaining and relatable show on TV. He drew viewers from both parties. He got 19% of the popular vote and not a single electoral vote.
All due respect to Bernie, but he wouldn’t have touched Ross’s numbers just because you can’t have that kind of reach any more. Third party just can’t win.
Are comments like this your plan for getting millions of people to vote third party? Because unless you get several million to do that, they have zero chance of winning
If you want to make a meaningful change, you have to play the long game. Right now, we have to vote to mitigate even worse disasters. If I had a viable third party in the presidential race, I would vote for them.
But the key word is viable. We don’t have one. So while Biden isn’t my favorite, my vote is less for him and more against Trump.
If you want to have a chance to see a third party that more represents your political views, you’ll need to campaign for a third party in local, state, and congressional elections for probably decades until they become popular enough to become a viable contender for the presidential office.
But in this presidential election, advocating for voting third party only benefits one person and that’s someone who not only would allow a worse genocide but will actively harm people in your community. Voting third party because Biden is complicit makes your actions, as noble and idealistic as you think they are, actively create a worse situation and makes you just as complicit in the pain and suffering that Trump will cause.
So campaign and vote third party in local, state, and congressional elections and build that following to disrupt the two party system. But you’ve already lost the presidential election.
More to the point, in a FPTP + EC, a failure to vote for the candidate you hate least in certain states gives the candidate you hate more a better chance of winning the presidency.
While the propagandists would have us believe otherwise, this is not "supporting 'genocide'." It's just math.
Do you live in Illinois? Idaho? Vote for whoever you want. Illinois is going to send its electors for Biden, and Idaho is going to send its electors for Trump, and your vote is not going to change that. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona? Check yourself before you wreck fucking everything.
Local and state elections also matter. Watching Trump deal with a Dem Congress might even be amusing. But yeah, vote Biden because Trump already fucked up the Supreme Court enough.
Not a chance. If Trump wins, it’ll be by Democratic abstentions. With 33 Senate seats on the ballot, if he wins, Republicans will have control of Congress too.
It’s amazing how I live in a very red county and yet all over these dating sites all I see are “moderate” or “centrist” or “other” I almost NEVER see someone openly admit they’re a “conservative.”
Democrats dont have a better choice because they never hold their politicians accountable. If they did someone like Biden would have never been their nominee.
The rest of us choose not to participate in electoral politics because our voices do not matter to them, they only answer to the donor class.
Lol you’re just saying people aren’t going far enough if they aren’t voting, they should actively be encouraging everyone else not to also, regardless of what ridiculous lies have to be told.
Yeah, we both know you’re lying your ass off when you say something as ridiculous as Trump and Biden are the same. A moron who pays 1% attention would know that’s absolute bullshit. It’s obvious you’re canvassing and these lies are not random.
I’m sorry the capitalists and fascists have prevented you from seeing potential futures outside of their control. Anyone is viable if they get enough votes.
So then how exactly are you able to consider Stein as viable?
There is. O one in the race that has a closer shot at defeating Trump and you know it. Any attempt to say otherwise is a at best a clear refusal to accept reality and at worst, blatant propaganda and misinformation.
So instead of helping keep democracy from crumbling to the ground… you’re just going to step aside because you don’t feel listened to?
Dude… you’re not the only one in the country. It’s virtually impossible for a sitting president to make even half of the country happy with their policy…
Maybe look up what Biden has done just over the past four years compared to the previous 4. Then read up on Project 2025. Then have some responsibly to those that live on your country that are quite possibly going to lose only their rights as human beings if they’re lucky.
This isn’t a fucking joke man. Vote and then spend the next four years actually doing the work it takes to make the change you want. I even give you a bit of advice…
It’ll take a lot more than whining on the internet. It’s going to be hard work. But if you do it right, 2028 could be something to look forward to.
I don’t care how many decades you’ve heard it. I’m 52 years old and STILL doing my part to stop America from being overthrown by a traitor. What I care about is the work done to stop it from happening. Because It takes FAR more than whining online every four years.
And this happens like clockwork… EVERY FOUR YEARS.
Then everyone disappears and rerolls as victims of their own irresponsibility. Every four years.
So don’t tell me how many decades you’ve heard versions of this.
I am doing the work by refusing to participate in elections that we have zero impact on. Neither right wing fascist represents me or the people in my circles.
So by not voting you’re admitting that you don’t give a shit about Palestine. Because it’s well known fact that Trump intents to do much worse and he’s not even trying to hide it. While Biden may not be doing enough, he’s certainly doing more than what will happen…
So since it’s not about Palestine, what exactly is your angle?
Republicans don’t either, something that such statements should reflect. I wish there were a better nominee to vote for, but given that Republicans have benefitted from protests on issues that would be handled even worse by them, statements critical of current policy shouldn’t be made without the context of what would instead be done if Trump wins the presidential election.
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