But I recall reading that the DAs office was in favor of a partial lifting of the order. There is no reason to keep the order in place for witnesses, for example.
Trump’s lawyers wanted a full cancellation of the order and as far as I can tell the DA’s side got everything it asked for and Trump’s side only got the things the DA agreed to.
As I understand it, though, the point of the gag order was to prevent the witnesses from being intimidated before their testimony. The trial is over, and there will be no more testimony. So a gag order on them is no longer necessary to protect the integrity of the trial process.
Not only that - he's got many other criminal counts still pending. The potential witnesses to those crimes are paying close attention to how much protection these witnesses get in the wake of their testimony.
Lift this gag order, Trump goes on a rampage, witnesses get an increased level of threats or, god forbid, actual violence - that is a chilling effect on witnesses in all of Trump's other cases, and to a lesser extent, for witnesses in any future cases involving any defendant.
It’s not this judge’s job to police those cases, though. The other judges can apply whatever orders they need in order to protect the integrity of the trials they oversee. But this trial is over.
Judge Cannon has the ability to protect her case through orders like this. But it seems all she wants to do is protect her little Donnie-kins from that meanie Jack Smith…
The fear (a rational fear, I think) is that if they didn’t, they’d potentially have an armed rebellion to deal with. Yea, it’s shitty for this asshat to get gift after fucking gift but if there was any appearance of him being targeted he’d never fucking shut up about it.
I’m done with their bullshit and I feel, for democracy’s sake, we should just seize all the family assets to discourage future ass hattery and deal with the consequences now… but I also do appreciate my relatives not living in a war zone.
If the rule of law leads terrorists to attack institutions, then we need to stop those terrorists with force. We should not bend over backwards to avoid angering the terrorists.
I think you’re being too black and white. The purpose of all this society shit isn’t to have laws that are justly applied - it’s to (ideally, late stage capitalism is fucking is here) provide the best life we can to as many people as we can. Being murdered, robbed or a bundle of other things fucking sucks so we use the law to guarantee (again, suckinh at this right now) safety and stability.
If someone did a little asshattery I don’t want to start a civil war - as a parallel, if someone runs a red light and we could either let them go unpunished or start a high speed chase, I’m going to favor the former. There is a line somewhere, there is some amount of petty treason someone could commit and some quantity of armed fanatics backing them where I’d say “we should just not risk it.”
Basically, sometimes it’s optimal to be non-confrontational even if it feels shitty.
Nah, fuck that noise. I don’t want to start a civil war, either, but I’ll be more than happy to end one. You’re conceding ground to effective terrorism.
And this is likely exactly why they didn’t call him to the stand. They knew he’d immediately perjure himself, because he’s a compulsive liar. No amount of coaching or “just keep your answers short and only answer exactly what was asked” will keep Trump from lying on the stand.
I’m going to assume they had somebody go out to the properties he tried to put up as collateral for the bonds and they assessed a much lower value than what trump is insisting it’s worth. In short his properties aren’t worth enough to cover it.
I’m assuming they also required financials for these properties that show any mortgages or liens that are already attached to them. There is no way they would accept collateral that already has liabilities against them because they would not be able to seize them outright, and if a sale was forced that caused the property to sell for way below market value they might not recoup their funds. I see no way that any major financial institution is going to risk a half a billion dollars on Trump’s behalf without a 100% guaranteed return on investment.
Also, “it’s just business”… seems kind of reasonable now.
Though I wouldn’t want trumps left over properties. You’ll never get the greasy shit stains out. Or the smell.
Edit: it occurs to me that one strategy rich fucks use for “earning” a living and avoiding cap gains taxes is taking loans using their assets as collateral- with real estate, taking extra mortgages out and using their rent income to pay interest.
So chances are solid most of, if not all of his properties are leveraged.
“This is actually a proxy war between Russia and NATO. Russia has lost over 10,000 troops already and counting.” “And what about the NATO forces?” “They haven’t shown up yet.”
He was. Very interesting guy. On his way to becoming a major historical figure. Not quite as big as Winston Churchill but of the same cloth. Both of them told a tyrant to go fuck themselves. Americans love that story.
A good one too. Then he decided to predict his immediate future via a sitcom about a regular guy getting surprise-elected President. It was pretty funny.
The show got cancelled when he got surprise-elected President.
Now those salmon fishermen (who didn’t even have to pay the $700 fee to monitor their amount they catch that this lawsuit was about) can decimate their fishing spot and subject all of us to unsafe workplaces, dumping of chemicals into water supplies and pollution of the air we breathe.
This is so far beyond salmon fishing. This is going to weaken every executive agency we have severely. Congress is broken and they’re never going to give piecemeal explicit authority to these agencies for comprehensive work. The EPA, the FTC, the FCC, the SEC, the ATF. They’re all damaged and weakened by today’s ruling and thus so is our environment, our economy, our utilities, and our regulations. This was the conservative wet dream ruling above almost any other this session. This was the Dobbs-style meat thrown to the educated, more lawful evil Republicans.
Please vote, so we can nominate justices to the Supreme Court. Please help us add another Sotomayor or Jackson instead of an Alito, Thomas, or at this rate, Cannon. Not feeling hopeful right now, but I have to ask.
Every election for the rest of our lives is the most important election of our lives. Don’t ever forget what has been done. Vote like your life and the world depend on it because frankly, they do. If you want another generation to grow up even close to the same quality of life we’ve had, it is critical to recognize that one party has been actively rolling back protective legislation over and over again against the better interest of the people of thos country and the world. Its absolutely disgusting.
Given the urgency of our predicament, wouldn’t you say it would be wise to use every tool at our disposal to maintain our democracy?
What if we tried using a voting system that wasn’t first past the post voting? That way, more then 2 political parties would be viable and there would be no spoiler effect.
Imagine several other people on that debate stage. Then it wouldn’t be such a knife in the gut to see a poor performance coming from Joe biden. There would be other people to back. Other people to compete for the office. Other people to not let trump get away with his bullshit.
How we vote is controlled at the state level, we dont need to wait for federal reform! In fact some states have already passed electoral reform.
Here is an example of what Ranked Choice voting can do for us all:
Everyone here wants ranked choice. It’s just not simple to pass. I do highly recommend that those who are able should push for a ballot initiative in their state and/or campaign for the issue. Do you have any links or resources for those who might be looking to get engaged further in those state-level efforts?
The FAA was only legally allowed to regulate propeller based airplanes under 50 feet! The law never specified newer larger planes, or new technology like jet engines or helicopters! They didn’t even exist when the law was made! None of their saftey rules apply to these vehicles!
It’s going to be a real spectacle watching what happens to these agencies. This is going to open the floodgates for SCOTUS cases. They’re gonna be mighty busy dismantling it all next year.
You just know they’re going to have lawyers combing over every single word in the relevant laws so they can squeak past the common meaning into an area of ambiguity and say fuck you to the FAA.
I don’t want probation I want Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump to be held accountable for his crimes. Michael Cohen got 3 years in prison for the same crime and unlike Treason Trump he was remorseful and respectful.
That’s incorrect. The charges were different, and a few of Cohen’s were more severe (higher class felonies).
Cohen pleaded guilty to 5 counts of tax evasion, one count of making false statements to a federally insured bank, one count of causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution.
The probation interview is required by the court as part of the former president’s pre-sentencing report.
@treefrog also had a good quote from the article providing more info as well.
The name “probation interview” is a poor one. Sentencing hasn’t happened yet and this interview is standard operating procedure to collect relevant information about the convicted party so that the judge can make an informed decision during sentencing.
And I asked him, I said to him, and noone had asked him that question, I asked him, and he said noone had ever asked him, I said to him, would you stay on the boat, the boat is sinking, so the boat is under water, but there's a shark, but the boat is sinking, and there is a battery, so I asked him, and noone had ever asked him, I asked him, would you stay on the boat, the boat that is under water, and there is a battery, so there is electric, I asked him, and there is a shark, I asked him, and he said nobody had ever asked him, I asked him do you jump off the boat? The boats underwater, but there's a boat, and there is electricity, but there's a shark, so I asked him, and he said he had never been asked this before, I asked him, do you jump off the boat that is now under water? Do you stay on the?... Do you stay in the boat and get eaten by the shark? Because the boat is under... do you stay on the boat, that's under water, and get eaten by the shark? Or do you get electrocuted?
He said he didn't know. He said noone had ever asked him that.
That's enough about the boat.
-Based on a real speech Trump gave at a rally that resulted in everyone leaving early.
Using kbin.social and kbin.earth simultaneously while Ernest works out his health issues/figures out how to grow his team to cover while he focuses on his health.
I definitely prefer kbin.social, but it is definitely suffering while the captain is addressing other matters.
Going to second this. It hit critical mass of users where the all feed isn't just one person's special interests just after the thread a few months back and it's like i never moved.
Here’s the transcript. It’s a rant against electric boats.
(43:33) So I said, “Let me ask you a question.”
(43:35) And he said, “Nobody ever asked this question, and it must be because of MIT, my relationship to MIT,” very smart.
(43:43) I say, “What would happen if the boat sank from its weight and you’re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the battery’s underwater, and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there?”
(43:58) By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. Do you notice that? A lot of shark… I watched some guys justifying it today. “Well, they weren’t really that angry. They bit off the young lady’s leg because of the fact that they were not hungry, but they misunderstood who she was.” These people are crazy.
(44:14) He said, “There’s no problem with sharks. They just didn’t really understand a young woman swimming now who really got decimated and other people too,” a lot of shark attacks.
(44:22) So I said, “So there’s a shark 10 yards away from the boat, 10 yards or here. Do I get electrocuted if the boat is sinking, and water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking. Do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted?” Because I will tell you he didn’t know the answer.
(44:42) He said, “Nobody’s ever asked me that question.”
(44:45) I said, “I think it’s a good question. I think there’s a lot of electric current coming through that water.” But you know what I’d do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted, I’ll take electrocution every single time. I’m not getting near the shark.
There are many clips from news shows and reaction videos on this, but I really don’t think anyone needs a funny person to explain it and editing only makes it appear out of context.
His speech is perfectly idiotic without any editing or explanation.
This is the uncut speech with a timestamp to the boat thing.
That full quote was critical of Republican voters, but you could also see the yearning he had for democratic voters to be that basic and easy to trick.
And the party has been trying to make Dem voters like Republican voters ever since
I just watched a video where the director of John Wick was talking about how hard he had to fight the studio to kill the puppy right at the top of the movie. People wouldn’t stand for a dead dog, it’s too evil, etc…
Anyway now we’re discussing if a puppy killer should be in a position to run the largest military in the world if an obese, confused, incontinent, drug addicted, 77 year old man kicks the bucket
Who needs to make America Great Again? We’re already here baby!
I just watched a video where the director of John Wick was talking about how hard he had to fight the studio to kill the puppy right at the top of the movie.
Just to clarify for anybody who misread this like I did: They kill a dog in the script of the movie. The director didn't have to actually kill a dog and film it.
If you want that kinda video, check Noem's laptop.
It's not just the abortion ban, but the fact that an abortion ban could be passed that's also a problem. It shows the government is run by a bunch of religious busybody nutjobs who will pass anything they think is in the Bible.
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