Protesting what exactly? Protesting for the sake of protesting is just meaningless. I still fail to see the morality here. What exactly is moral about vandalizing these cars?
Also this notion that protests are only effective if they’re disruptive is a myth. If that was the case then the George Floyd Riots would’ve led somewhere or the pro Palestinian encampments would’ve led somewhere or all those climate protesters damaging historical monuments and art would’ve led somewhere or all those animal rights activists blocking streets would’ve led somewhere… but they haven’t. All they’ve done is lead people to resent them.
Protesting monster trucks becoming the default go-to vehicle to go run an errand or drive to work. You don’t need a “child-destroyer-3000: now Electric!” taking 3 lanes of width, weighing 20 tonnes, and occupying 4 parking spots, to go to your bakery or pick up the kids from school.
What exactly is moral about vandalizing these cars?
If certain vehicles end up costing more to manufacture/protect/repaint than the revenue upon sale, the company will stop manufacturing them. Same idea as deflating SUV wheels which are parked on the street: make lives for SUV drivers inconvenient so people won’t want an SUV.
Also this notion that protests are only effective if they’re disruptive is a myth. If that was the case then the George Floyd Riots would’ve led somewhere or the pro Palestinian encampments would’ve led somewhere or all those climate protesters damaging historical monuments and art would’ve led somewhere or all those animal rights activists blocking streets would’ve led somewhere… but they haven’t. All they’ve done is lead people to resent them.
“What did the resistance to Nazi occupation by the Polish people lead to? It didn’t work, genocide happened anyway, and all they did is making Nazis resent them”.
I’m sure you’re aware that people engage in challenges they don’t know for certain they can achieve, right?
Without justifying this really dumb act, because there’s no justifying it, […]
How about we just don’t vandalize private property. That’s a good standpoint to build on.
This is why the planet is fucked, you all whine that climate change is scary but then you cheer on people attacking electric cars just because Twitter man bad. You’re all desperate for tesla to fail because Elon upset you, someone doing something petty that’ll have zero effect on Elon but will negatively affect a regular person fills you with joy because it’s a way of hitting back at the bad man. Totally childish and pathetic.
Spend that energy learning about and praising positive things, don’t win by tearing your opponent down win by building yourself up.
Ok… I’ll take the bait, can you please share links that show how the Cybertruck is actually good the planet? I didn’t actually read technical review about it. I mostly see silly (and sometimes fun) memes. I also recently read that EV in generals don’t have the same impact as electrical bikes, e.g theguardian.com/…/evs-are-booming-but-electric-bi… , but maybe I’m misinformed and this vehicle by Tesla, despite its size, it’s actually helping. Can you please share a link to such review and/or studies with e.g Life cycle assessment (LCA) / ISO 14040?
PS: to clarify I don’t mean articles about how it’s “changing mind”, I mean numerical estimations then comparison between one mean of transport, e.g non EV vs EV, or this EV vs other or this EV vs random electric bike.
No matter what cars will be shit for the environment in some way, things like pubic transport, bike infrastructure and more walkable cities are things that actually help
I bet a lot have worse opinions too, they literally conspired with oil companies to avoid fixing climate change and certain companies like vw actively put in measures to cheat emissions tests.
@SpaceCowboy@return2ozma ~60% of Tesla's profits come from the sale of carbon credits, which enable other massive vehicles that run on fossil fuels to be built. E-cars are not about "saving the planet" they are pure Greenwash which is saving the motor industry.
That’s more of a problem with how carbon credits are being regulated. Sure Tesla are being assholes for doing this, but it’s a corporation, I don’t expect them to be good guys.
But none of that changes the fact that some meathead buying a Cybertruck instead of the equivalent fossil fuel monstrosity is reducing CO2 emissions in a direct way. Spray paint the sign a Tesla corporate HQ, don’t damage a vehicle which will only have the result of someone driving a fossil fuel vehicle a little longer while the damage is being fixed.
You’re assuming unscrupulous companies wouldn’t find another loophole or just pay a fine for going over the limit.
Don’t get me wrong, Tesla is shit for helping with the loophole, but it’s a degrees of bad kind of thing. Getting fossil fuel vehicles off the road does reduce carbon emissions, but Tesla was exaggerating their numbers. They should be punished for doing this, but doubling up their numbers only works if the number isn’t zero.
But this is all getting away from the fact that damaging these vehicles has the net effect of people driving fossil fuel vehicles longer. It’s a net harm to everyone.
Even carbon credit companies that do their best aren’t always (are often?) not great. e.g. trees may be planted, but:
locals’ may have been misappropriated for the purpose
you might go back five years later and find all the trees were cut down
It seems like there is some progress with that technology that… throws gravel onto beaches or something, to be broken down by waves. Really hope it’s not total BS.
@return2ozma Older Tesla's one can give the owner the benefit of the doubt that they purchased it before Elon showed his true colours. No Cybertruck owner has that defence.
They are lucky it's just paint.
I'm sure paint comes off 'stainless' steel real easy....
There’s a difference between buying something because you need it, and buying something to signal you are part of a fascist cult - and let’s be honest, no one buys a cybertruck because it’s a good vehicle for any purpose.
and buying something to signal you are part of a fascist cult
There is difference between rich not knowing where to spend the money while signaling that you are rich who doesn’t know where to spend the money and signaling being part of fascist cult.
I’m not sure why people seem to think that sentence says “purchases are beyond reproach,” but it doesn’t. Two things can be unethical with one being much more obviously worse.
I don’t know. Vandalizing luxury cars finds me morally indifferent. I’m not going to argue for vandalizing them but I simply can’t get myself to care enough for the poor souls whose “cybetrucks” need a new paint job.
Yup, but you now have to wait longer because some asshat spray painted your truck. Again, I probably hate Elon more than you, I was going to buy a Model 3 until he showed his true colors.
No shit the owner isn’t taking a loss, the owner now has to wait even longer because some clown wanted to make a statement that Elon sucks. Want to hurt Elon, talk shit about him, he doesn’t give a shit about vandalizing shit.
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