“Tribal?” A lot of Democrats supported this, it seems like a rare example of bipartisan cooperation to me. Why do you think it’s an example of tribalism?
The Illegitimate Court Counteraction Act, led by Texas Republican Rep. Chip Roy, would require mandatory sanctions and visa restrictions on any foreign person working or providing funds for the ICC in prosecutions against the U.S., Israel or any other U.S. ally that is not party to the ICC.
“you’ve seen our war crimes, now you’re no longer welcome here”
As if you’d go be a tourist in a country, just after you’ve seen solders of said country commit, or politicians and citizens actively defend war crimes. Plenty of pretty cool other things to see.
Natanael thought it was really important to mention to me that Democrats don’t do this “Republican” stuff. He specifically mentioned this specific ICC sanctioning to distinguish the Democrats and Republicans. Surely he will change his mind right now right?
When 25% of your party is down with sanctioning the institution prosecuting Genocidal war criminals which will very likely be convicted for Genocide in the future, it’s Nein o clock.
Wait, so a different guy on a different thread said something and you think that means I’m moving goalposts?
Fucking hell man, get a grip. 75% of Democrats voted against this and you’re here ranting about them instead of the 100% of Republicans who voted for it.
So what you’re saying is the problem is not Democrats jumping the fence as much as needed to do whatever israel asks, the real problem is that we should have had 32% more Democrats to make up for the percentual difference in traitors?
Curious that you didn’t disprove anything I said, just a strawman you made up.
Where have I ever said I like the democratic party or that I think the majority of them are good?
I’ve said they’re less bad, because they are less bad, and you keep denying the obvious.
I didn’t call you a stalker, but it’s curious you picked only one person to @ and picked me. Last guy got so unhinged he spammed my DMs for a few weeks. Your attitude is remarkably similar to his.
I was in Tel Aviv for work the day that Drumpf won the election. I was ill prepared for trying to pretend I was from Canada, really got blind sided there.
Israel is committing genocide. But that doesn’t mean Hamas is a blameless party in everything they’ve ever done. They’re just the only representatives and defense for the Palestinian people. They’re basically the only port in a storm. But let’s not pretend they’re fucking saints here.
At the end of the day, Hamas are far right fundamentalists. Right now, they’re the relative good guys—but only because of how unbelievably evil Israel is being. If Israel weren’t committing genocide against the Palestinian people, Hamas would probably be doing odious things to stay in power (the last time they were elected, I believe less than half of the current population was alive. And they were elected in the early 2000s. Although that doesn’t say much other than how young the population of Palestine is). Because they’re not “good,” it’s just what Israel is doing is pushing the needle for “bad” so far to the right that Hamas can’t help but coming out looking better by comparison.
Hamas and Ukraine are not the same. Hamas is a far right religious organization—which proves how complex and nuanced this situation is, because it’s not a secret that Ukraine has a neoNazi problem among a few of their regiments. It’s not what Russia is saying, that the whole force is Nazis and therefore they need to continue their genocide, but it’s pretty quickly visible when you look that the huge disadvantage that Ukraine is at has made them make some uneasy alliances with horrible people.
When Hamas is firing missiles, they’re not committing terrorism. But when they start attacking, capturing civilians to make a point, you’re crossing the line into terrorism. Why a music festival? Was that a fight against genocide? No. That was to instill fear. That’s the difference. Ukraine didn’t shoot up that Russian concert like Russia tried to claim. That was a terrorist act committed by a terrorist group.
There’s fighting the genocidal government, and then there’s fighting people’s ideas with horrific acts against civilians.
This is an incredibly nuanced topic because, you’re right, it’s a very strange gray area. Hamas is fighting against a genocidal government. But that’s done on the ground, that’s done with missiles. Attacking a music festival is pretty clearly meant to break the will of people. Not the government. (And in this definition, we can very easily say the Israeli government is committing genocide, apartheid, and they’re using terrorism to do it.) This has been proven true by the fact that Israel is only using the hostages as an emotional trigger for Israelis to continue supporting the government’s genocide. See what I’m saying?
Your electoral system will not magically change and improve.
Please by all means keep doing the same thing you’ve always done, it’s not like America is one of the most right wing countries in the world and shifts further right each year regardless of who is in charge.
The time to fix that is before and during the primaries. When you're in the booth with a choice between a Democrat and a Republican, the choice should be obvious
You keep using the word fascist but I don’t think you understand what it means… The fact that this was voted on and the party was divided is proof that it isn’t fascism
So you are saying that if I find votes the republicans are divided on you magically have a point? Why is the party not voting as a party to begin with? Does this mean that some Democrats are actually Republicans if it’s not convenient?
We just went from a 2 party to a 1.5 party system in order to deny the Democrats are getting in line to pass this highly Fascist law to sanction the ICC for proscecuting war criminals.
Tell me what was the point of voting Democrat instead of Republican again? To prevent literally this right?
When it comes to Democrats doing the Fascist thing suddenly people slap on all these interesting requirements for it to be Fascism. When Trump did a Muslim ban it was super duper Fascism instantly. Selling weapons to Saudi for the Genocide of Yemenis? Omega Fascism! Biden uses the same powers to support GENOCIDE but suddenly it doesn’t count because the sun and the moon aren’t aligned in June and the grass on my lawn grows a little faster than usual.
You were talking about the fascist Democrats, remember? It’s not requirements, it’s what fascism is, an authoritarian regime under the control of a single person.
You were saying that republicans voting the same is what makes them Fascist.
People were calling 2016 Trump a Fascist. Not that doesn’t count we’re going for the plan2025 meme where unlike 2016 this time the Republicans will actually do all their evil plans which they totally couldn’t do in 2016.
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]
So you’ve got people from the same party voting differently, they aren’t getting suppressed, they’re often voting against what their president would favour… Man, sure sounds like fascism to me!
Using the outcome of one vote as to substantiate a lack of fascism is akin to taking a glass of water from the ocean and affirming that the ocean is devoid of life.
Bro we’re just sanctioning the ICC for proscecuting war criminals. We’re abusing presidential powers to ship weapons used to commit Genocide and also abuse those power to bypass congress the same way Trump did. Just abusing presidential powers to implement illegal border policies. Bro stop nitpicking you only mentioned like 5 things you can’t even mention 6 things bro.
Not a fan of Biden, but he’s not the one shipping the weapon’s. Congress approved that, he held it back for a little until Congress started working toward a bill to force him to ship them and he relented. Should have stuck to his guns, imho and let them pass the bill to overrule him so it’d look bad on Congress for doing it, but the sad thing is that he’d just look like he was in the way of what a large portion of the country apparently wants. The GOP is all about being on Israel’s side.
The president doesn’t have as much power as people think he does.
Maybe, but that argument is getting harder and harder for neoliberals to make as the DNC continues trying to court the far-right on things like immigration, genocide and corporate welfare. They’ve done such an incompetent job of protecting our most basic freedoms from fascists that it makes it hard to claim they aren’t complicit.
Yes. By all means primary one of those democrats who voted for this out if you can, but if you got to the general election and the choice was between a pro Israel Republican and pro Israel Democrat, it would still be way better to pick the dem.
100% of house Republicans voted for this, while only 20% of house Democrats did. Right now the Republicans control what bills come to the floor for a vote since they have a majority. If Democrats had the majority and controlled the speakership, this bill never would have even come up for a vote in the first place since so few in their caucus support it overall. A pro Israel dem is not ideal, but at least helps ensure the 100% pro Israel (and a bajillion other reasons for being horrible besides this issue) Republicans don’t control the agenda for what bills come up in the house and senate.
By all means primary one of those democrats who voted for this out if you can
Big if, in some cases. My aye-affirming rep ran unopposed in this primary, and I can’t remember the last time there was a challenger. For my part I did a write in vote, but seeing as his big brother has a stranglehold on a LOT of business/politics/douchebaggery in the state, I don’t see this changing any time soon.
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