By reaching out to them instead of ridiculing all of them. Sure, a lot of them are completely hopeless and unreedemable, but a great number of them are not.
I get what you’re saying, but anyone still supporting this guy is well beyond just reaching out. Nothing, I really mean nothing, you say will make an impact because of how isolated the source of information they get is. Anyone on the fence has already jumped off.
John Stewart had a great segment recently where he really went off on “the media” but I kinda disagreed with his “there is no 2 realities” thing.
I understand he means there is only one truth, the chicken either crossed the road or it didn’t, we don’t have Schrodinger’s chicken, but what we DO have are media outlets with a specific agenda that WANT to create an alternate reality where they are always the victim and they are always correct. Whether we like it or not we do have multiple stories of our shared reality and when you choose to follow one of them you decide what reality you want to believe you live within…
Again, my daily mantra: I FUCKING HATE PROPAGANDISTS!
I agree on the 2 reality thing. Anyone who disagrees can go look at this most recent trial coverage, or any of the hearings and see that is the case. Anytime anyone says anything it’s only for the clip to be on the news that night and that’s it. An endless loop of the same thing. I literally went to read the jury instructions on the NY court website then immediately saw a flat out lie about what they were.
Are you fucking kidding me with this bullshit?! You don’t really believe this, do you?
To them, we’re all a bunch of baby-eating, baby-fucking Satan worshippers, the most evil sort of evil, and you don’t compromise with evil. Gawd is on their side, and we’re the devil incarnate to be opposed by word all the time, and by action (with guns) when they feel they can get away with it. Don’t believe me? See this article and know that these people are fucking nuts and fucking real.
The only ones that can pull them out of the BS factory are they themselves. And unless and until they choose to do so, I am sure fucking going to keep ridiculing them.
Our better play is to stop thinking that we can tolerate 4 more years of Trump just because we didn’t get EVERYTHING we wanted out of Biden. The Trumpers are firmly devoted to their God-Emperor, and those who are voting GQP who don’t like Trump are despicable and unreachable in their own rights.
You’re trying to paint the GOP as hypocrites, but it doesn’t work because your own hypocrisy is too obvious. Liberals don’t care about law & order. Trump isn’t being prosecuted because the left has suddenly become champions of justice. Everyone can see how the law is being perverted to persecute Trump for the political threat he represents.
The only people you’re fooling is yourselves. Nobody else is buying this.
The guy is a shady New York real estate guy that’s been defrauding people his whole life. He finally gets convicted of one of the many crimes he’s committed and it’s political?
He’s a criminal, always has been, always will be. But most of the GOP is too chicken shit to admit it, so Republican Party is going to nominate a convicted felon to be their candidate for President.
Then why was Michael Cohen convicted? Was that a political persecution too, or are you just crying foul because somebody finally held your knuckle-dragging god king to account for once in his miserably pathetic fucking existence?
"Joe Biden or anyone from his Justice Department has absolutely zero to do with the Manhattan District Attorney office, they have no jurisdiction over him, they have no contact with him, they have no control certainly over him. So to say that Joe Biden brought this case is one of the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard. We know that’s not the case and even Trump’s lawyers know that’s not the case.”
Trying to shame conservatives like this doesn’t work. They’re actively proud of being gullible, stupid, victims to their celebrities. It’s their entire identity. They see this and think “hell yeah, you don’t want me repeating the story?? I better do it harder anyway!” - it doesn’t matter that you are actually saying “btw this makes you look very dumb and gullible”, all they heard was “i don’t like this”, and since you’re The Enemy™, they love what you don’t and hate what you do, and they double down on whatever it was, to Win Harder™.
This is why they’ll often seem to take self-defeating or self-contradictory positions, and if you point that out, they take it as winning against you twice (instead of proving themselves wrong) and go straight to calling you a loser and patting themselves on the back.
That’s why you hit them where it hurts. Into their little fragile egos, don’t even take them serious. Laugh at their face, show them they’re just clowns, dumber than monkeys
That’s how I “argue” with people that don’t act in good faith anyway. It works because “winning” is sooo important to them but those idiots aren’t even close to would be competition anyway
I love how you people don’t even question your own absurd narratives. Just pure self-righteous arrogance and the certainty that everyone but you is stupid. You’re utterly incapable of even considering people who disagree with you as fully human, and then are legitimately surprised when the people you look down on with arrogant contempt loathe and hate you.
You’re utterly incapable of even considering people who disagree with you as fully human
I’ve said and believe nothing of the sort. you’re confusing my ideology with the fascist dehumanizing ideology your party espouses to justify inhuman practices against foreigners and domestic minorities.
surprised when [we] loathe and hate you
this doesn’t surprise me at all. your entire political ideology would collapse if you didn’t unconditionally loathe someone. you’re putting the cart before the horse.
certainty that everyone but you is stupid
well, if someone does things that are really stupid over and over, is told that they’re stupid and provided evidence accordingly, but continues to do so anyway… quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, probably is. it’s hard to see it otherwise. I actively try to remember there’s a real person with a rich internal life on the other end, despite what you think otherwise, and despite the lack of reciprocal consideration from Republicans.
So you didn’t say “They’re actively proud of being gullible, stupid, victims to their celebrities?” Because it’s right there on my screen and I was able to copy and paste it from your comment, which shouldn’t be possible if you didn’t say it.
this doesn’t surprise me at all. your entire political ideology would collapse if you didn’t unconditionally loathe someone.
You’re projecting. It’s your political ideology that is based on unconditional hatred. I doubt you could even begin to explicate the conservative ideology in broad strokes, let alone specifics. Like many liberals, you think conservatism is entirely an expression of bigotry and closed-mindedness. That is a deeply ignorant and self-congratulatory belief that people like you cling to because it prevents you from questioning your own ideology, and is, in fact, an expression of your own close-minded bigotry.
I actively try to remember there’s a real person with a rich internal life on the other end
Wow, You have really pulled the wool over your own eyes. You reduce everyone on the right to idiots who are proud to be gullible victims, and then pretend you try to think of your political enemies as people with actual internal lives? No you don’t. Stop bullshitting yourself.
So you didn’t say “They’re actively proud of being gullible, stupid, victims to their celebrities?”
i did indeed say that. what I didn’t say - and what I was clearly referring to with that quote you’ve pulled about me not saying a thing - is that I don’t view them as human, as you insinuated I said. if that’s your interpretation, you are incorrect. perhaps you’ve gotten confused by which part of my response correlates to which part of your messages. or perhaps you’re intentionally misconstruing it to make it appear as though you’re “dunking on me”, as usual for arguments with conservatives.
I doubt you could even begin to explicate the conservative ideology in broad strokes
i doubt it too, because there is a constant fundamental disconnect between what conservatism purports to be and what it actually practices. I doubt it’s possible for you to explicate it either in a way that isn’t immediately contradicted with the actions taken by your leaders and community, too. the closest thing to a stable ideology conservatism has had in the past 20 years is “liberals are the enemy: do the opposite of whatever they say, even if we were telling you to do it 10 minutes ago”.
No you don’t. Stop bullshitting yourself.
perhaps I should have emphasized “try”. it gets harder with every interaction with yet another deranged conservative lunatic who wants to make me illegal or dead because my mere quiet existence is somehow a threat to their misplaced feelings of superiority. I’m only human.
i’m sleepy so let’s wrap it up like you all like to do: This has been fun, thanks for taking the L.
what I didn’t say - and what I was clearly referring to with that quote you’ve pulled about me not saying a thing - is that I don’t view them as human, as you insinuated I said. if that’s your interpretation, you are incorrect.
I said “You’re utterly incapable of even considering people who disagree with you as fully human.” What I meant is that you see them as “actively proud of being gullible, stupid, victims to their celebrities,” which portrays them as less than fully human. You are viewing them as caricatures of people, not as people.
i doubt it too, because there is a constant fundamental disconnect between what conservatism purports to be and what it actually practices. I doubt it’s possible for you to explicate it either in a way that isn’t immediately contradicted with the actions taken by your leaders and community, too.
Conservative ideology emphasizes the preservation of traditional institutions, values, and practices, advocating for a cautious approach to change. It values individual responsibility, limited government intervention, free-market economics, and the protection of personal freedoms. Conservatives often stress the importance of maintaining social order, national security, and a strong sense of community and cultural heritage. They believe that established traditions and institutions are time-tested and should be upheld to ensure societal stability and continuity.
Any contradictions are likely explained by a liberal’s misunderstanding of the concept of personal freedoms, which is best understood as the freedom to act within the bounds of moral behavior. Because conservatives value sanctity and liberals do not (see Haidt), liberals are often confused why conservatives can claim to value freedom while seeking to repress sacrilegious activities.
i’m sleepy so let’s wrap it up like you all like to do: This has been fun, thanks for taking the L.
When you have to declare premature victory, you are only making it obvious you can’t defend yourself.
Because conservatives value sanctity and liberals do not (see Haidt), liberals are often confused why conservatives can claim to value freedom while seeking to repress sacrilegious activities.
It sounds like you’re just describing/defending Christofascism. You don’t get to define my morality and then claim it’s freedom.
It’s like when that one uncle does something stupidly embarrassing in public, but you’re less embarrassed at what he’s doing/saying and more at how absolutely stupid it’s making HIM look and by extension you for being with him in this public setting. Then he doubles down and decides to keep doing it over and over because he’s “just messing with you” and by the end everyone in the room, thinks he’s a moron, and you’ve lost all respect for him.
We’ll see if they turn over the communications between the Whitehouse and the DA’s, which I doubt they will do. And you’d have to be pretty naive to think that the number 3 guy in the justice department just decided right before the Trump trial to demote himself to work for the local DA in New York that just happened to be the same office that persecuted Trump. Why would anyone ever do something like that?
This reminds me of the flat earthers or the moon landing conspiracy theorists. At some point, the number of people colluding becomes so great, it must be a miracle.
That could open the gates to one party weaponizing the justice system and jailing the opposition. That’s the only reason I don’t support such a requirement.
+1 for angry commies message. I believe that’s why we would actually want to be able to elect a felon.
It’s up to the people to use their brains (…lmfao) and try to understand if it’s really just a political hit or if they’re a legitimate criminal. Of course in a world of Faux News, Newsmax, and Facebook Karens, figuring out what to believe is becoming increasingly more impossible as is the intent.
It’s getting old but it’s insane how many comments this fits so I need to say it again: I FUCKING HATE PROPAGANDISTS!
The problem of billionaires and propagandists are one in the same.
It’s up to the people to use their brains (…lmfao)
My radicalizing adult realization was that as a species we’re incredibly dumb.
And I don’t mean that in terms of the usual way in which people say “people are dumb!” and throw their hands in the air to explain the latest absurd thing.
I mean on a deeper, more fundamental and hopeless level. We are not reasonable, rational creatures. Just because we figured out what rationality means and can employ it as a tool, generally across most of our species we are survival machines, and our brains are tuned to do one thing only, which is explain why you feel things so you can predict danger.
This makes us ridiculously easy to manipulate and sway, because we have vastly deep brains that will create an entire universe of stories to explain an emotion, and it will do this in your own voice so you think it’s your own good ideas and it will fool you into believing your own stories, even if they don’t make a shred of sense. This is why you can have educated, smart people like doctors and nurses become anti-vax or climate scientists denying climate change. We are entirely emotional creatures and we trick ourselves into believing our fears all day long, every day, and we can’t ever get out. We’re stuck down a hole with no way out. Lost in our own world of biases and attaching to backwards storylines to explain them.
And I’ve consistently been of the opinion they should barring certain crimes. I hate this felon’s guts, not a fan of most felons to be honest, but a vandalism felony as a 19 year old? Drug dealers? And that’s not getting into felonies I’m questionable as to if they should be crimes.
How are those two things even comparable? One is a fascist and the other an old man. They don’t belong in the same sentence let alone a discussion about who is a qualified candidate for president. Get the fuck out of here with this garbage.
That’s one thing that drives me fucking crazy, voters let that single letter define if they support policy or hate it. If trump had done and said everything he’s done over the last several years but had a (D) they would hate him. And vice versa.
Team Blue has kicked and will kick members out who give the party a bad name. Hell, they’ll kick 'em out before the conviction. That doesn’t happen with Republicans, with only Santos (gee, Hispanic name, I wonder why) facing the music for his bullshit in all of the GQP.
Fuck this Both Sides bullshit. It’s not true, and we shouldn’t stand for it.
Trying to find it again, but I had seen a set of polls earlier where they had asked some republicans “Would you be ok with a convicted felon as president?” and other republicans “would you be ok with Trump as president if he were a convicted felon?”, and the ones asked the Trump version had said yes at a much higher rate than the generic question.
Trump can’t win with only 58 percent of the Republican vote. He needs somewhere in area of at least 80 - 90 percent. I see this survey result as good news.
it’s almost like the people funding these polls want to convince people that lots of others are voting for Trump too, so it’s okay to vote for a insurrectionist, rapist, and convicted felon.
Half the government are scared of looking partisan and the other half are equally guilty.
Presumption of innocence isn’t a statement of fact- it is a presumption meant to inform proceedings at (and before,) trial so as to protect civil liberties; and while in that context is important, the reality that Trump and his supporters/puppet masters have incited insurrection is incontrovertible. We watched it happen live
I paid attention to the polls in 2016 and thought Trump didn’t stand a chance, so I voted 3rd party like I always do. I was wrong. I no longer pay attention to polls.
Well good for you, but this poll isn’t about the general. It is no different than opinion surveys taken every day. It has nothing to do with the electoral college.
I paid attention to polls, as well. They swung wildly around as the news cycle shifted between bad news for Trump and bad news for Hillary. Then, Comey’s letter drops at the perfect time (deliberate or not) to bring Hillary’s numbers just low enough to give Trump an edge in key states. That happened too late for any new polls to absorb the info before the election.
When Fivethirtyeight.com was giving around 75% chance for a Hillary victory, that doesn’t mean her victory was assured. It means Trump needed to flip two coins and have them both come up heads.
Polls aren’t useless. They are a statistical tool. People applied them badly.
Comey’s stunt was deliberate AF. And it was an unforgivable crime that likely leads to the US becoming a dictatorship. If I were in Comey’s presence, I’d spit in his face for what he did.
His message here is that Republicans can SAY whatever they want to to pollsters, and there’s a movement out on Team Pepe to do just that.
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality, judiciously, as you will, we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors, and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
He’s been a criminal for all of his adult life. He’s just rich and white and flew under the radar enough. If he had just fucked off into retirement on some island rather than becoming president (and committing more crimes) you’d probably never hear about him anymore and he could have lived in peace.
Nelson Mandela was a convicted criminal when he was elected president of South Africa. Vaclav Havel was a convicted criminal when he was elected president of the Czech Republic. Corrupting the legal system to criminalize political opposition does very little to make a political figure less popular. Often, it just makes them martyrs.
Trump wasn’t convicted for who he was. He doesn’t get a pass because of who he is or the fact he’s running for President, either. A jury of 12 people unanimously declared that the prosecution proved their case 34 times. Any one of them could have said no to the charges. In fact, one seemed to be very interested in that course of action. But in a room with only 11 other people, he weighed the evidence, considered the charges, listened to the arguments made by both the Defence and Prosecution, and then, with all of that weighing on his mind, and with the added weight of his conscience, came to the conclusion that he couldn’t get Trump off on a SINGLE charge.
Put Trump’s supporters on a jury for a trial of a Black man doing the shit Trump did, they’d ABSOLUTELY convict that Black man of the charges they insist were cooked up for Trump on the exact same evidence, WHILE protesting that Trump was unfairly convicted by “Demoncrat plants and lawyers and Deep State Operatives”. Fortunately, our court system is designed to filter out these kinds of people, which is why I don’t buy your bullshit about ‘corrupting the legal system’. It’s not corrupted, despite all the effort Team Pepe puts into it. Now buzz off with your nonsense.
Corrupting the legal system to criminalize political opposition does very little to make a political figure less popular. Often, it just makes them martyrs.
It’s a good thing that didn’t happen. Having an independent state prosecutor bring state crimes in front of a jury of his peers in a public trial has been a great example of democracy working as intended.
There’s this thing called the Overton Window. Republicans are way past that. It’s no longer relevant. Whatever their guy does will always be fine while if his opponents do it, it will be the end of all that is good and just.
See we were worried about Russian sleeper agents that get activated by a codeword, we never expected them to rally behind and vote for Putin the Lesser.
How often are we going to act surprised that it’s a cult, and he is their Fuhrer? This is getting ridiculous, the time for analysis of their side is over. We should long be in the phase of action.
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