I’m just imagining this community only allowing Star trek memes that have Minetest or Minecraft characters in them. It would actually be a pretty cool challenge.
I vote Picard for one main reason - we've seen him in far more different situations than any of the others thanks to the spread out period of TNG in series and movies. Other captains tend to have a more constrained image due to the plot they're in. Riker would be best second in command for the same reason.
Picard is the best, most well-rounded captain. He can do diplomacy. He can do science. He can run a starship. He can fight…
All the others aren’t shown to be as flexible or as widely capable. I still find Janeway to be my favorite though. I like my heroes to have flaws like normal people. Picard is damn near flawless, like Superman.
And when he isn’t (e.g. dislike of children) he has the strongest will to overcome his inadequacies. I wonder: was there an instance in which he didn’t win? (In TNG, never liked the ‘Picard’ show.)
So yeah, he wins this contest easy. As to who I like the most: Sisko.
anyone that tries to say star trek has “gone woke” or some stupid shit like that clearly isn’t a fan of it and just trying to rile up stuff. I mean come on… how can someone say that and have watched the shows LOL
And they’re not even that woke. Afaik they still ocasionally eat animals in the 24th century. (Unless they’re Vulcan.) Watch The Orville if you want some proper progressive shit 😆
Yeah they have. But don’t they go on to tell in several episodes of all of the shows, how someones mom makes/made the best X/Y out of real ingredients and how much better that tastes than replicated food? And they eat on some planets with other people or on vacation… ?! Or someone worked in a restaurant?
Knowing how chemicals and carbon compounds are recycled in Earth’s ecosystem and taking into account factory farming, I would wager the line between poop to serving of hot steak is much a much less connected line on a ship that turns matter into its constituent energy patterns.
Meanwhile on Earth we routinely have meat recalls because of e-coli contamination. Which is poop. As well as what we use to fertilize our root vegetables. Everyone is eating poop to some degree, it just becomes a problem when enough of it is in one spot to become contamination.
This is the whole premise behind Star Trek, and one form a post-scarcity civilization could take.
As a tangent, Star Trek’s technology is both magical and primitive, in that they can harness and focus energy levels that match stars routinely, they can literally form matter from raw energy and influence the fabric of time and space itself and even break causality if they really try, but despite this have almost no difference in how they are born, grow up and die.
I get the show is trying to make a relatable universe, but if we reach that level, we will also have reached so many other advancements in every other facet of existing as a human that our species itself would be utterly unrecognizable and we probably wouldn’t be worried about how real our steaks taste.
If we’re sticking with the lore, the only limitation should be what they have stored in the replicator database. No reason your poop steak couldn’t taste like an A5 wagyu or a $2 steak, depending on your personal preference.
True! Forgot about that. I think voyager had a few episodes with hunted game of some sort. The Klingons in general too. Guess actually trek isn’t super big on veganism haha
That’s actually a common misconception. Not to downplay the significance of what Shatner and Nichols pulled off to get around the various censors (ruining alternate takes and such), but many TV shows did it before Star Trek.
I think it was the first one that was both broadcast nationally in a primetime slot and where the actors were easily identifiable as having different ethnicities on a tiny TV screen. Would explain the misconception.
I stand corrected! Thanks for the info, I’ve believed that since 7th grade when I first learned of it from one of my teachers who was a massive Trekkie.
Specifically why I said black/white. and peck on the cheek isn’t consider a “kiss” by most people. (although it probably caused a stir). This was also right in the middle of the black civil rights movement which made it that much more risky.
That would have been in 1967. Plato’s Stepchildren was a year later.
On top of that, you have to further specify that this is only on American TV, because Gordon Heath kissed Rosemary Harris in a production of Othello on the BBC in 1955.
Do you think insulting a mod will go well for you? And congratulations for proving the above meme incorrect about Star Trek being the nicest fan base.
Showing you that a passionate kiss between a white woman and a black woman happened on British television over a decade before Star Trek is not being pedantic. You were just wrong.
And of course it shall always be the first kiss between a black woman and a white man in space on tv.
I cracked up a bit at this. That was a great write up, I didn’t know before about Desilu’s involvement in making that kiss happen and their earlier milestone, that’s quite cool.
Right now it’s the modern entitled version of woke. Not the philosophical exploratory woke.
Modern Trek tells you off for thinking differently while old Trek set an example to aspire to.
And that’s only in the few limited moments NuTrek a actually bothers spending time on making an opinion, as most of it is cheaply written shlock to squeeze as much as possible out of underpaid VFX artists.
Releasing Let That Be Your Last Battlefield at the height of the civil rights movement wasn’t some hypothetical philosophizing. That was pointed condemnation. Same with The Outcast’s attack on conversion therapy, or In The Hands of the Prophets’ take on religious dogmatism.
Star Trek has always been happy to condemn bad ideas. If you think it’s just started telling people off now then you haven’t been paying attention.
It was 100% philosophy, and leading by example, exactly as I said. It spent the entire episode showing the hypocrisy of the two characters and showed the crew of The Enterprise to be better than their millenia old squabble.
It wasn’t 30 seconds of emotional finger pointing in between cheap action sci-fi.
I’ve been paying perfect attention to Star Trek. But it seems like loads of people have simply forgotten how Star Trek got their point across.
I just assumed light speed was a colloquialism for hyperdrive.
At any rate, hyperdrive blows warp out of the water in raw speed. A trip across the galaxy is just a few days. The downside is that you’re pretty much limited to already charted safe routes unless you want to test your luck with potential ship-killing hazards that can’t be detected before hitting them.
It’s both. I think “jumping to lightspeed” is an in-universe misnomer for jumping to Hyperspace. Han Solo misuses the terminology the first time we’re introduced to the concept (so does Kenobi, for that matter), but in that same scene he does make a distinction between lightspeed and hyperspace. The ship still needs to accelerate to something very close to light speed to slip into the parallel hyperspace dimension, so it kinda tracks between the two concepts.
Hmm, I suppose you’re right. I don’t know why sci-fi purists are okay with that explanation when logically nothing can move faster than the speed of light. I’ve seen more debate over whether a blaster is a laser weapon or a plasma weapon. I guess they had a hard time reconciling the line from Han about how the Falcon does “Point five past light speed”. At this point, I’ve accepted that hyperspace and FTL travel in Star Wars is basically just the wild west and nobody is trying to clarify how any of it actually works, they just want to have cool scenes.
You also can’t leave or enter the galaxy Star Wars takes place in, except for a small perforation called Vector Prime. There’s a galactic barrier in place that causes hyperspace to just kinda…stop working.
Wanna make your own hyper space jump not using hyper space lanes? Bring one of the talented young ladies of Thrawns species, you will be fine until said young lady is no longer young
I see a different reason Romulans are so upset. The Romulans and Vulcans were one people at one point with the major split being the Vulcans embracing logic and rejecting the hot-blooded and passionate Romulans. So millennia later do the Vulcans soften and embrace their emotion-having brothers? No. They find these other hot-blooded and passionate creatures called humans and then work patiently to shepherd them and their “Federation of Planets” into dominance in the Alpha quadrant of the galaxy all while still keeping Romulans at arms length. That would leave me bitter too.
I dunno’, seems like the difference between teaching a curious child in the humans vs teaching a smartass knowitall in the Romulans. Still kinda’ makes sense why they cannot kiss and make up.
Romulans didn’t need to be taught. They were always technological equals (possibly superiors if you count cloaking). Yet instead of making amends with an equal, Vulcans chose to embrace the neophyte humans and grow them to technological equality instead of embracing their brother and sister Romulans.
Yes, because once again, it’s far easier to teach a curious child than a smartass who thinks they’ve got it already.
The Romulans and Vulkans are different on a fundamental level. They both separately DO think they ‘get it’ and the other does not. Their story is specificially about how they cannot make up. By saying, “I don’t get why they cannot be friends.” you’re literally ignoring their entire reason for being written in to the show as opposition to Vulkan.
Neither of them have the “correct” answer. Pure logic doesn’t work out, and pure emotion doesn’t, either. The entire point is that these “advanced” species still have fundamental social flaws and still conflict over silly things.
They’re basically trying to say, “It takes more than intelligence and advanced technology to overcome bigotry.”
You’re doubling down on the “teaching” bit. I’m not seeing a “teaching” angle that makes any difference here. What is it that you think Vulcans taught humans than they wanted to teach Romulans?
By saying, “I don’t get why they cannot be friends.” you’re literally ignoring their entire reason for being written in to the show as opposition to Vulkan.
I’m not saying that. I’m saying it could be the perspective of the Romulans. The Romulans are less driven by logic and rationale than by their emotions and passions. Meaning, they’d make this assessment overriding logic and instead embracing emotion, envy and anger in this case.
Neither of them have the “correct” answer. Pure logic doesn’t work out, and pure emotion doesn’t, either. The entire point is that these “advanced” species still have fundamental social flaws and still conflict over silly things.
Absolutely, and humans are no exception to these conflicts. In the area of this conflict of thought process Humans, Vulcans, and Romulans are equal. There is no position that all 3 agree on 100% with each other.
The teaching angle is to emphasize the Vulkan angle since you were making arguments for the Romulan angle already. Even the “emotionless” Vulkan don’t constantly reach out for the obvious logical solution because there are sociological reasons they expect no purchase. Reasons that purposefully reflect faults of humanity, and thusly are inherently illogical to some degree given the “Vulcan” prescription of excellent logic.
If you want to be charitable to the writers, it’s a great way to point out how bigotry trancends logic. They might actually make headway with outreach, but they do not, because Vulkans are the know-it-all types. I sort-of stated the expected dynamic backwards, but it still works because I’m sure Romulans would still dismiss the intelligence of Vulkans for nearly the exact same reason: they think they already have it figured out.
Yes, it’s illogical, but that’s part of the point: Logic is not wisdom. Someone can be plenty intelligent and yet still be a fool.
It’s worth not over-analyzing, though, since it is a situation set up for allegory of human folly in a TV show, not one written in to a planned book series where it might have to stand up to stronger cohesive scrutiny. All you have to do is not explain things well, and suddenly the script isn’t cohesive with canon. They are written to be laughably similar species to reinforce how dumb bigotry is, so something basically HAS to make little logical sense, because bigotry is illogical.
Didn’t it? Not that humans became straight up Vulcans, but Vulcans did want to get the benefits of humanity’s drive without the parts where we nuke each other. Most Vulcans in the 24th century would probably consider this plan a success.
That’s a very good question. I’m not sure we can discern a specific answer from canon. Rather, we infer it based on Vulcan intentions in the 22nd century and the end results in the 24th.
The canon events of Enterprise seems to suggest very little went the way the Vulcans intended for humanity. At the beginning of the series, it was the Vulcans in the leadership role over humanity, while by the end of the series, it was humanity in the leadership role with the creation of starfleet.
The Vulcans didn’t know the Romulans were their long lost brothers until Errand of Mercy, did they? Hard to reconcile with a group who noped off thousands of years ago and may not even exist anymore.
Not to say this wouldn’t factor into the Romulan’s attitude, it probably would, but it would be in an irrational way.
Hard to say. There was direct Romulan meddling in the Vulcan government in the fourth season of Enterprise. Some people on both sides certainly knew, but it probably wasn’t widespread knowledge.
Also don’t forget that Spock was shocked that they were cousins. The Vulcans not only broke up with them they also memoryholed them so deep that it was news that they were related.
Think of how hard it would be to cover up something in the era of computers that big. That billions of your own species are just out there and you have no idea. This is estrangement to a very high extreme.
The quote, when talking about the carrier Gerald R. Ford (which does not have magnetic elevators, btw).
They had almost a billion dollar cost over on the magnetic elevators. Think of it, magnets. Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere
Sounds like he confused magnets for cotton candy. Easy mistake, as both can stick to certain things. Why are people blowing this out of proportion? We all know what he really meant.
Sounds like he’s talking about a specific implementation of electro-mangets, and giving his concerns that electronic systems applied to elevators in the Navy, could be vulnerable to water damage as compared to mechanically engineered system.
…so this obviously means he’s fit and sane to implement The Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025, a plan to “be a dictator only on day one” by firing any democratic party supporting liberals across all departments of the public services, and installing Republican party friendly employees in those positions instead. This would represent a level of political persecution never seen before in the history of American democracy, and possibly the end of American democracy.
It’s what Clarence Thomas calls the dismantling of the “Administrative State” and has been a life long goal of his. Ergo it’s likely the Supreme Court would allow this behaviour as part of “Unitary Executive Theory”.
I say all this because it’s easy to make Trump and MAGA look stupid. They, like many fascist movements appeal to a very simplistic base of people - but at the upper eschelons they do have a plan, and do have major peices in place.
In typical Trump fashion he probably couldn’t comprehend anything about the advanced weapon elevators testing and delays. Or the electromagnetic catapult system that’s pretty flipping cool.
I’m sure some wasted their time telling him why Ford was behind and over budget for technical reasons. And then bingo bango you got retarded dementia boy word salad.
Even if we pretended that quote were coherent and read what he intended (criticizing the electromagnetic catapults, not elevators) instead of what he actually said… he wants a fucking tractor company to work on them? John Deere knows fuck-all about high-tech linear induction motors; even under the most charitable interpretation possible his position is still asinine and nonsensical!
Edit: I don’t know why I’m even surprised by this. I guess it’s just, of all companies he could’ve pulled out of his ass, John fucking Deere?! That’s a weird random choice even for him.
Well we’ve all seen the man struggle with a glass of water. Trump v Water Glass is a tough match. Also, he was campaigning in Iowa at the time. Anyone at that rally that wasn’t wearing a MAGA hat was wearing a John Deere one. Similar to the “man, woman, person, camera” incident. It’s a short trip from eyes to mouth with this one.
They both seem pretty well assimilated into human culture though. Maybe the crazy can rub off. I think the Vulcans definitely would have said that about T’Pol.
In actuality though, I think it’s probably just that every species has these people, humans just have more for whatever reason. And so the other species’ people go to join the humans
Humans in Trek seem to value individuality over conformity more than most of the other cultures. The ones most like them in that regard are probably Klingons and Bajorans. Likely contributes to the high number of crazy mavericks.
Why do you think there are so few Orions in Starfleet? Because Tendi is one of the few weirdos who Gets It. The rest are like “WTF you people are crazy!”
I’m super surprised no one on that thread talked about stealing an enemy corvette (lower case C) by way of an oopsy-doodle switcheroo self destruct, slingshotting around the sun back a couple of hundred years, stealing the largest mammals on their home planet in a tank the corvette was never meant to have, because ya know it’s basically an RV with some shotguns duct taped to the top (its name is spray painted on the side). Slingshot back around the sun to the exact millisecond they left.
And they land, perfectly, in water, right next to their home base.
IMO it makes more sense if the humans in Star Trek are unreliable narrators.
How is it possible that a teenage mechanic can improve engine efficiency by 5% messing around in his spare time? Why didn’t the engineers whose full time job it is to build the engines figure that out?
In fact, cosmic radiation in space drives all humans insane. They truly believe they’re doing science experiments, but stuff goes wrong because they’re just jamming random household items into the engine.
TBH, we regularly see teenagers in places come up with breakthrough ideas currently. It’s not weird at all. Estabilished engineers and academia have momentum. They are set in their ways and tend to see things as they always were. We even have famous examples of this where the Theory of Evolution was ridiculed for many years before being grudginly accepted. Einstein rejected quantum theory etc.
You can’t tell her hat from her hair. I just saw this ep for the first time and that is some masterful acting. She elevated everyone else on the goofy pastel set. She brought tension to every shot. BADASS LADY SCIENCE POPE.
“The smell of the Deep Space 3 comedy club is highly unpleasant and I do not care for this human concept of the ‘two drink minimum,’ but my feigned laughter seemed to please the Tellarite ambassador, which I feel will improve our chances in the grain shipment negotiations.”
“The Infinite Improbability Drive is a wonderful new method of crossing interstellar distances in a few seconds, without all that tedious mucking about in hyperspace. As the Improbability Drive reaches infinite improbability, it passes through every conceivable point in every conceivable universe almost simultaneously. So you’re never sure where you’ll end up or even what species you’ll be when you get there. It’s therefore important to dress accordingly. The Drive was invented following research into finite improbability often used to break the ice at parties by making all the molecules in the hostess’s undergarments leap one foot to the left in accordance with the theory of indeterminacy. Many physicists said they wouldn’t stand for that sort of thing, partly because it debased science, but mostly because they didn’t get invited to those sort of parties.” Hitchhiker’s Guide
Honestly that’s the other thing in my mind. I know Adams was very clear he just wanted to change up the story but it was either him or some major comic writer who specifically said adaptations being the same story over and over are just boring.
That’s a very silly take imo, I’ve watched some movies 20 or more times, and if I go watch a movie from a book I would like to see the story from that bloody book.
So you are saying I don’t even know the real thing, now I’m really pissed off. My point is if uou want to tell a different story, give it a different name.
The one I saw get brought up a lot was the Arthur/Trillian romance. He had actually experimented with that in drafts for other versions, too, but the movie was the first time it got all the way to the final product.
The fact he rejected it in part because (per the novelization) he felt Kirk’s thoughts across who knows how many light years, and he was wishing Spock was there. That’s love, baby 🥹 Don’t get me started on “t’hy’la”!
Yeah iirc the movie turned that whole arc into merely about sensing the “pure logic” from Veger or sth, but the book went into way more depth, it is a really good read. Also, no matter how sexual you think Kirk is, it’s 10x more than that - that horn dog beats Riker levels even, and he even made it work in higher additional planes, like intellectual. Riker wishes he had a third of that sexual magnetism in his brain:-D. And wrapping back to what you said, Spock managed to notice his friend’s thoughts from several parsecs away…
I do love how despite the fact that the computer doesn’t have the capabilities of voice interfacing, it is nonetheless capable of accurately simulating the properties of a previously unknown substance based only on its input atomic structure.
Nah, Scotty just rewrote the software as he went along. Of course, nothing says he didn’t also write in a self destruct to wipe out the program and the transparent aluminum, which is why history didn’t wind up changed by his actions.
This meme was made by someone who didn’t serve in the military. Many times did I salute someone who i shouldn’t have because their rank insignia was too small to see at a distance or too similar to another branch’s rank insignia. Having it everywhere makes sense.
And the rank on the back? Genius. I’d know that person was a captain so i could sneak off to buffer time while they weren’t looking as opposed to having to go in front of them to rank check for 21st century uniforms.
This is how you get all your officers killed in the battlefield.
Colonial sharpshooters were already excellent at picking off Redcoat officers in 1774.
Then both Union and Confederate officers were picked off at a high rate. Look at how garish Grant’s uniform is compared to Stormin’ Norman.
Finally we learned. WW2 officers had ornamentations removed or covered, even far from the battlefield. When the Indianapolis was hit, no one could locate Admiral Spruance. They thought he might have died. Nope, there was a guy wearing just khakis and no ornamentation helping fight the fires— turned out it was Spruance. No one recognized him because he only recently transferred his flag over.
This isn’t the uniform they would wear for actual boots on the ground warfare. These people are the equivalent to the navy not the army or marines. Snipers arent picking Admirals off regularly on their own ships. If they went “ashore” it would make sense to have different uniforms unless they were knowingly doing a diplomatic mission on that particular plant at that time. Then you wear a dress uniform. There’s a reason dress uniforms look different from ACUs.
Field uniforms are different than dress uniforms. This is a dress uniform and it is used to show off your accomplishments and affiliations. Field uniforms would be more like Major Hayes from Enterprise. His uniform is drab and you can’t easily tell the difference between him and his subordinates.
Because the chain of command needs to be embedded enough into your psyche to override your fight/flight response. Same reason we spend our entire careers in the military practicing war. When it’s real, you can’t freeze up or get flustered…your job also has to be so well practiced that you can do it instinctively, because when you’re getting shot at, instinct is sometimes all you’ve got left.
That and because it used to be a literal class divide and the officers were genetically better than you and chosen by Gawd, you peasant filth, get back in the spear line.
I don’t know if I should upvote you because they actually act like this or downvote because you reminded me of having to deal with it, even as a civilian.
My grandfather was in a WWI German prison camp as a child (his father was British and all British subjects in the UK were put in prison camps when the war broke out). It was largely autonomous, and when POWs started arriving, the enlisted acted as indentured servants to the officers.
I think it's mostly still TOS fans who tend to look down on the newer series as never quite living up to the original. We are of course right to do so.
I’m a TOS fan. It was my first love and will always be my favorite Star Trek. But I cannot disagree with you more. There is a line running all through Star Trek- the ideals of the Federation and why they should be upheld. And that is what is most important about Star Trek to me in terms of living up to the original.
It so reminds me of Rod Stewart “Sailing”, Which was used for a TV show in the late 70’s. I hated that song more than 40 years ago and I still do, and I hate the theme song to Enterprise sounding like something from the 70’s. It seemed to me everything about Enterprise was to make humanity seem backwards and primitive but in a future SciFi setting. Like when one of the first episodes, they are totally surprised that bacteria can contaminate a planet. Something that has been well known and considered already for several decades.
It reminds you of a Rod Stewart song because… it’s a Rod Stewart song!
He did it originally. They couldn’t afford the rights to his version for the show so they re-recorded it with a guy who sounds kind of like Rod Stewart.
You might, but it was a Rod Stewart song. It was also originally in the movie Patch Adams before it was in Enterprise. I don’t know why, but I think that’s amusing.
Maybe it’s because, apparently according to my searching, the songwriter also wrote songs for Bryan Adams?
I was wrong about one thing though: it wasn’t on a Stewart album, it was just on the Patch Adams soundtrack album.
I guarantee you that not only were there plenty of people who loved it the first time they heard it, there were plenty of people who loved it the first time the heard it on the Rod Stewart album they already owned when the show came out.
Now me, I hate Rod Stewart and I hate that song, but different strokes…
I occasionally sneak that into a playlist while my wife and I are listening to something, and then I leave the room for a bit. I don’t do it too often, though, because I don’t want a divorce.
Happy if JJ never gets near a Trek set again, but as far as the new series are concerned, I’d rank them all between “pretty good” and “excellent”. Except Picard, but even that mess was at least a better send off than Nemesis.
Berman? Best thing he ever did was stay away from DS9, and that just because he was too busy making Voyager worse.
Several of the scripts were adapted from the aborted Star Trek II TV series, which was going to have most of the original crew return. Spock being the notable exception.
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